What are the reasons against building a US-Mexico border wall?

[Anonymous]

It seems like a no-brainer to me, but there seems to be a sizable portion of the country opposed to it, and I honestly would like to know why. I just don't know how the millions of unvetted people coming through the border over the past couple of years can be sustainable or safe. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for immigration (I'm a 2nd and 3rd generation immigrant myself), but wouldn't we want to vet people for safety and make sure we have the necessary infrastructure in place before we let so many people in? Also, isn't it unfair to the millions of people who are waiting to become citizens the legal way? I'm really trying to understand this, so please be kind. I'm worried for our country.

[Anonymous]

1. There is actually a shortage of immigrant labor in this country right now- we don’t have enough people to work as home health care aides, various jobs along the food supply chain, etc. There is no overpopulation or complicatedly large immigrant population.

2. Immigrants, both documented and undocumented, committed significantly less crime than native born Americans. If you want to see reduction or harmful crime, look to gun control, not immigration policy.

3. There is no ‘immigration line’ for these people. Read up on the different ways to get a visa- there is no path for many migrants. Yet, we depend on their labor.

4. There are ecological and cultural reasons not to have border walls. Again, easily googleable.

I feel sorry for you, OP. You hold so many mistaken beliefs and they are causing you undue worry. Please try to educate yourself before falling for far right tropes. The ignorance in your post is painful.

[Anonymous]

I mean, practically speaking, a wall won't work even if the goal was legitimate and a good idea.

It was just a physical symbol for right-wing in-groups to manifest their hate for out-groups.

What makes you "worried for our country"?

[Anonymous]

It doesn’t work and the rationale behind it is routed in racism.

Most illegal immigration comes from overstayed visas.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It doesn’t work and the rationale behind it is routed in racism.

Most illegal immigration comes from overstayed visas.

Yep. I wonder how many of the visa holders will stay once they start losing their tech jobs. Facebook currently terminating 10k workers with the possibility of more. Amazon needs to terminate a minimum of 50k. Microsoft and Apple have hiring freeze. Smaller tech companies begin to trim their workforce. So many of these employees are on visas to work. If they don’t find immediate replacement employment they are required to leave the country. I doubt 10% will leave, so now you have overstay visa illegal immigrants. People don’t care about them. Why?

[Anonymous]

A full border wall would probably end up being hundreds of billions of dollars, would be terrible ecologically, and people would still find ways around it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A full border wall would probably end up being hundreds of billions of dollars, would be terrible ecologically, and people would still find ways around it.

Exactly

[Anonymous]

A wall won't work. We need immigration reform.

However, we do need to get control of the border and I say that for humanitarian reasons. The UN has labeled that the most dangerous migrant crossing in the world. It is controlled by Narcos. It is estimated they are making a million dollars a week from migrant crossings. Migrants suffer horrible abuses in Mexico.

And before anyone jumps on me, my spouse is from Mexico and so are my children. Half my family lives there.

We need immigrants and I welcome the all. We just need a safer way fir them to come.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:1. There is actually a shortage of immigrant labor in this country right now- we don’t have enough people to work as home health care aides, various jobs along the food supply chain, etc. There is no overpopulation or complicatedly large immigrant population.

2. Immigrants, both documented and undocumented, committed significantly less crime than native born Americans. If you want to see reduction or harmful crime, look to gun control, not immigration policy.

3. There is no ‘immigration line’ for these people. Read up on the different ways to get a visa- there is no path for many migrants. Yet, we depend on their labor.

4. There are ecological and cultural reasons not to have border walls. Again, easily googleable.

I feel sorry for you, OP. You hold so many mistaken beliefs and they are causing you undue worry. Please try to educate yourself before falling for far right tropes. The ignorance in your post is painful.

You could have gotten your point across without this crap. Stuff like this is why a lot of people feel they can’t engage with liberals and the Democratic Party anymore. It’s so incredibly unhelpful.

[Anonymous]

Waste of time and money

[Anonymous]

We have a physical barrier in certain areas.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It seems like a no-brainer to me, but there seems to be a sizable portion of the country opposed to it, and I honestly would like to know why. I just don't know how the millions of unvetted people coming through the border over the past couple of years can be sustainable or safe. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for immigration (I'm a 2nd and 3rd generation immigrant myself), but wouldn't we want to vet people for safety and make sure we have the necessary infrastructure in place before we let so many people in? Also, isn't it unfair to the millions of people who are waiting to become citizens the legal way? I'm really trying to understand this, so please be kind. I'm worried for our country.

How many immigrants have you met and worked with? We are better off with many of these people than without. I don't meet many doing much beyond working their assess off and trying to build a life for their families.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It seems like a no-brainer to me, but there seems to be a sizable portion of the country opposed to it, and I honestly would like to know why. I just don't know how the millions of unvetted people coming through the border over the past couple of years can be sustainable or safe. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for immigration (I'm a 2nd and 3rd generation immigrant myself), but wouldn't we want to vet people for safety and make sure we have the necessary infrastructure in place before we let so many people in? Also, isn't it unfair to the millions of people who are waiting to become citizens the legal way? I'm really trying to understand this, so please be kind. I'm worried for our country.

The wall built by the Trump administration did nothing to stem the tide of people crossing our boarder. The problem isn't a physical wall between the US and its southern neighbors. And, the wall is already rusting and falling apart. It was a scam, just like everything else associated with Trump, Trumpism and White Nationalism.

The immigrants you are opposing are the people who grow our food, slaughter our animals for food, pick crab meat for food, keep our houses clean, dig our ditches, and wipe our grandparents assess. We need them because they do the jobs native born Americans are too lazy to do themselves. They help grown the economy and they add another strand in the American tapestry.

Why do you hate the US so much that you believe what you see on Fox News?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:1. There is actually a shortage of immigrant labor in this country right now- we don’t have enough people to work as home health care aides, various jobs along the food supply chain, etc. There is no overpopulation or complicatedly large immigrant population.

2. Immigrants, both documented and undocumented, committed significantly less crime than native born Americans. If you want to see reduction or harmful crime, look to gun control, not immigration policy.

3. There is no ‘immigration line’ for these people. Read up on the different ways to get a visa- there is no path for many migrants. Yet, we depend on their labor.

4. There are ecological and cultural reasons not to have border walls. Again, easily googleable.

I feel sorry for you, OP. You hold so many mistaken beliefs and they are causing you undue worry. Please try to educate yourself before falling for far right tropes. The ignorance in your post is painful.

You could have gotten your point across without this crap. Stuff like this is why a lot of people feel they can’t engage with liberals and the Democratic Party anymore. It’s so incredibly unhelpful.

I am not the person you are replying to, but it is rather true. We have half the country watching BS "news" and expressing "worry" over stuff that simply isn't worth seriously fearing for our country. We have a better chance of falling to white nationalism and ethnic Christian faux authoritarianism than we do any harm being cause by the issues associated with OP's angst. That angst is what prompted people to participate in the 1/6 failed coup. It is that angst which is causing people to want to open carry loaded guns, to shoot up synagogues and other public places. If we are going to have worry and angst in our society, then let's direct it to the root problems and stop blaming "the other"

[Anonymous]

It's much more exciting to have fentanyl around, don't you think? My life is pretty easy and I need something to get my stress levels up a bit, or else what's the point?