What are the reasons against building a US-Mexico border wall?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It seems like a no-brainer to me, but there seems to be a sizable portion of the country opposed to it, and I honestly would like to know why. I just don't know how the millions of unvetted people coming through the border over the past couple of years can be sustainable or safe. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for immigration (I'm a 2nd and 3rd generation immigrant myself), but wouldn't we want to vet people for safety and make sure we have the necessary infrastructure in place before we let so many people in? Also, isn't it unfair to the millions of people who are waiting to become citizens the legal way? I'm really trying to understand this, so please be kind. I'm worried for our country.

Anybody can make arguments for their side. It's simply a highly political/divided issue. No magic answer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It doesn’t work and the rationale behind it is routed in racism.

Most illegal immigration comes from overstayed visas.

Yep. I wonder how many of the visa holders will stay once they start losing their tech jobs. Facebook currently terminating 10k workers with the possibility of more. Amazon needs to terminate a minimum of 50k. Microsoft and Apple have hiring freeze. Smaller tech companies begin to trim their workforce. So many of these employees are on visas to work. If they don’t find immediate replacement employment they are required to leave the country. I doubt 10% will leave, so now you have overstay visa illegal immigrants. People don’t care about them. Why?

Because they are the “right” color/nationality is my guess.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It seems like a no-brainer to me, but there seems to be a sizable portion of the country opposed to it, and I honestly would like to know why. I just don't know how the millions of unvetted people coming through the border over the past couple of years can be sustainable or safe. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for immigration (I'm a 2nd and 3rd generation immigrant myself), but wouldn't we want to vet people for safety and make sure we have the necessary infrastructure in place before we let so many people in? Also, isn't it unfair to the millions of people who are waiting to become citizens the legal way? I'm really trying to understand this, so please be kind. I'm worried for our country.

Have you ever seen a topographical map of the border? A wall of any sort stretching the length of the border is absurd.

That's what they said in ancient China.

yes during a time when they did not have home depot where you could get 20 ft ladder to get over the wall, and slave labor was plentiful so they didn't need to pay to build the wall.

There are videos of people cutting through Trump's "improved" border wall using $25 cordless angle grinders.

[Anonymous]

The "no brainer" of "millions of unvetted people" seems to be predicated on a mistaken notion that the "millions of unvetted people" are actually getting in. That's not the case.

The overwhlming majority of them are intercepted. A huge percentage, Mexicans and other nationalities are turned back. Of those who present themselves for asylum, over 80% of their claims are dismissed as not credible.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:1. There is actually a shortage of immigrant labor in this country right now- we don’t have enough people to work as home health care aides, various jobs along the food supply chain, etc. There is no overpopulation or complicatedly large immigrant population.

2. Immigrants, both documented and undocumented, committed significantly less crime than native born Americans. If you want to see reduction or harmful crime, look to gun control, not immigration policy.

3. There is no ‘immigration line’ for these people. Read up on the different ways to get a visa- there is no path for many migrants. Yet, we depend on their labor.

4. There are ecological and cultural reasons not to have border walls. Again, easily googleable.

I feel sorry for you, OP. You hold so many mistaken beliefs and they are causing you undue worry. Please try to educate yourself before falling for far right tropes. The ignorance in your post is painful.

All of this. Number 4 is a huge one, imo. Further, walls don't work. There are ample examples of this throughout history, including pics and news of people scaling the existing wall easily. Finally, many "illegals" simply overstay visas. They aren't trudging across the border.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:1. There is actually a shortage of immigrant labor in this country right now- we don’t have enough people to work as home health care aides, various jobs along the food supply chain, etc. There is no overpopulation or complicatedly large immigrant population.

2. Immigrants, both documented and undocumented, committed significantly less crime than native born Americans. If you want to see reduction or harmful crime, look to gun control, not immigration policy.

3. There is no ‘immigration line’ for these people. Read up on the different ways to get a visa- there is no path for many migrants. Yet, we depend on their labor.

4. There are ecological and cultural reasons not to have border walls. Again, easily googleable.

I feel sorry for you, OP. You hold so many mistaken beliefs and they are causing you undue worry. Please try to educate yourself before falling for far right tropes. The ignorance in your post is painful.

All of this. Number 4 is a huge one, imo. Further, walls don't work. There are ample examples of this throughout history, including pics and news of people scaling the existing wall easily. Finally, many "illegals" simply overstay visas. They aren't trudging across the border.

DP. Anyone with even a tiny shred of common sense would acknowledge the thousands and thousands of illegal immigrants who are, indeed, "trudging across the border." Do many overstay their visas? Of course. But to pretend we aren't actually seeing masses of people simply walking across our border into our country is gaslighting at its finest.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It doesn’t work and the rationale behind it is routed in racism.

Most illegal immigration comes from overstayed visas.

Yep. I wonder how many of the visa holders will stay once they start losing their tech jobs. Facebook currently terminating 10k workers with the possibility of more. Amazon needs to terminate a minimum of 50k. Microsoft and Apple have hiring freeze. Smaller tech companies begin to trim their workforce. So many of these employees are on visas to work. If they don’t find immediate replacement employment they are required to leave the country. I doubt 10% will leave, so now you have overstay visa illegal immigrants. People don’t care about them. Why?

Because they are the “right” color/nationality is my guess.

Or maybe because they are well-educated, self-sufficient, and provide a great resource to the high tech industry in this country. Just a thought.
DP

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:1. There is actually a shortage of immigrant labor in this country right now- we don’t have enough people to work as home health care aides, various jobs along the food supply chain, etc. There is no overpopulation or complicatedly large immigrant population.

2. Immigrants, both documented and undocumented, committed significantly less crime than native born Americans. If you want to see reduction or harmful crime, look to gun control, not immigration policy.

3. There is no ‘immigration line’ for these people. Read up on the different ways to get a visa- there is no path for many migrants. Yet, we depend on their labor.

4. There are ecological and cultural reasons not to have border walls. Again, easily googleable.

I feel sorry for you, OP. You hold so many mistaken beliefs and they are causing you undue worry. Please try to educate yourself before falling for far right tropes. The ignorance in your post is painful.

All of this. Number 4 is a huge one, imo. Further, walls don't work. There are ample examples of this throughout history, including pics and news of people scaling the existing wall easily. Finally, many "illegals" simply overstay visas. They aren't trudging across the border.

Not to mention people like, you know, Melania Trump, ignoring Visa rules and simply hanging out, getting married and then using chain migration to bring her whole family over. No complaints from the right there,

[Anonymous]

Having worked in immigration, the majority of people now and in the past few years are lining up and waiting for Customs and Border Protection to process them. Many are requesting asylum. They are not running/escaping across the border. The reason they are considered illegal is because they are not lining up at an official border crossing. A border wall won’t solve the thousands who line up and request asylum.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It doesn’t work and the rationale behind it is routed in racism.

Most illegal immigration comes from overstayed visas.

Not true any longer, actually.

[Anonymous]

It is amazing g how ignorant some of you people are. You are safely living in the dc metro not dealing with the influx of people through your property. You shelters are not overwhelmed. Your emergency services are overwhelmed. You are fine hundreds of miles away from the crisis. You virtue signal words like racism when you don’t even understand it was never a complete physical wall. It was drones, monitoring stations and yes a physical wall. It was money for increased agents.

Out of sight and out of mind for most here. Heads in the sand from people who refuse to acknowledge the problem.

[Anonymous]

If it were such a great idea, then Congress should have voted to pay for it. They didn't.

The immigration problem can be solved with more resource-efficient methods.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It doesn’t work and the rationale behind it is routed in racism.

Most illegal immigration comes from overstayed visas.

Yep. I wonder how many of the visa holders will stay once they start losing their tech jobs. Facebook currently terminating 10k workers with the possibility of more. Amazon needs to terminate a minimum of 50k. Microsoft and Apple have hiring freeze. Smaller tech companies begin to trim their workforce. So many of these employees are on visas to work. If they don’t find immediate replacement employment they are required to leave the country. I doubt 10% will leave, so now you have overstay visa illegal immigrants. People don’t care about them. Why?

Because they are the “right” color/nationality is my guess.

Those tech visa holders are highly skilled, educated. They can go back to India and probably get a job with a US based tech company. But the qol in the US is better than in India. Hence, the reason why many would rather work here. However, I know many tech visa workers who went back to India, and work there for a US based company. I've no doubt those people will do the same.

It's not the educated and skilled who overstay their visas here. Maybe a few, but by and large, it's the unskilled H2A type visa holders, those who work in farms and hotels and resorts during high season, like the ones Trump hotels use, that overstay the visas.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It doesn’t work and the rationale behind it is routed in racism.

Most illegal immigration comes from overstayed visas.

Not true any longer, actually.

dp.. source?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It is amazing g how ignorant some of you people are. You are safely living in the dc metro not dealing with the influx of people through your property. You shelters are not overwhelmed. Your emergency services are overwhelmed. You are fine hundreds of miles away from the crisis. You virtue signal words like racism when you don’t even understand it was never a complete physical wall. It was drones, monitoring stations and yes a physical wall. It was money for increased agents.

Out of sight and out of mind for most here. Heads in the sand from people who refuse to acknowledge the problem.

I think there's a problem at the border.

I don't think the problem justifies what Abbott did.