Purdue Returning to Test Required

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Purdue is a strong no-nonsence STEM school. Being STEM school, you can't fool yourself with woke bs and expect real scientific discovery emerges by itself. You need best talent people to make it happen. MIT research has shown that SAT/ACT scores, although they are not everything, have a close correlation with students' academic success in college. We can't be deliberately blind. It's insane for colleges not to consider the test one of the important criteria for their admissions.

I think this is really behind it. It's a big engineering school. Some schools with engineering programs were TO last year but not for their engineering programs. Also, there was a minimum Math score required for consideration.

And yet Caltech manages to do it. It must be a second rate engineering school since it doesn’t use an exam that tests basic algebra and exactly zero science or engineering concepts to choose who it admits.

Caltech is an extraordinary place with approximately infinite resources and approximately zero students. Purdue is a pretty good school, for an ordinary school. That’s the actual significance of this. Most T100 universities (and the overwhelming majority by enrollment) are decent schools with limited resources educating tens of thousands of students at a time. In other words, most schools are unlike MIT/Caltech, and a lot like Purdue.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How many of the previous posters on this thread are NOT privileged? Let me guess: none.

Oh please give me a freaking break! I am a black Latina who grew up in abject poverty with English being my second language. Even I scored 1520 on the SAT. I studied for the test with an outdated book from the library. I got my behind up every day at 5:00 a.m. and studied for an hour each day before school. It could be done. There are no freaking excuses!

I don't know about your household, but in my household my children are expected to score high on ALL exams and take rigorous courses. My child scored a 1540 on her SAT last year as a sophomore. She studied on Khan Academy because it was free. Heck, I just told my 9th grader this morning that I expect him to score over 1500 next fall on his SAT exam when he is a sophomore. This is how I roll in my house. Stakes are high and their brown skins will not be spared when racism comes knocking on their door. I carry the burden of deep pain for my children's future. Too many people suffered, died, march, protest, etc. for them to not to score high on their exams. Damn, my people are still fighting for human rights, voting rights, etc. Privilege no, not here in this house just high expectations and the history of Jim Crow on my kids' backs!

I welcome that universities are making standardized test a requirement. The insanity of test optional only hurts students and makes the college admission process dysfunctional. It is beyond time that the dysfunctional college admission process is abolished. My daughter wants to become an engineer and she is only applying to schools that require the SAT. Screw the test optional schools! I am so ecstatic that engineering schools are taking the lead on eradicating the nonsense of test optional.

STOP THE INSANITY BRING BACK THE SAT!

Thank you!!! I also scored a 1520 on the SAT back in 1991. I was ecstatic; I had prepared myself using a $20 book. I would have gotten one from the library if I hadn't been able to afford that. I'm Latina also (not the privileged kind).

I know. I scored a 1540 as immigrant Laotian using pages from a SAT prep book that were hand copied in the margins of Italian store take-out menus. I would have stolen a copy if I hadn’t found them.

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You could have borrowed test prep books from the library.

.

Our library had one copy that a couple hundred kids were vying for. So shoplifting really was the only option.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Purdue is a strong no-nonsence STEM school. Being STEM school, you can't fool yourself with woke bs and expect real scientific discovery emerges by itself. You need best talent people to make it happen. MIT research has shown that SAT/ACT scores, although they are not everything, have a close correlation with students' academic success in college. We can't be deliberately blind. It's insane for colleges not to consider the test one of the important criteria for their admissions.

I think this is really behind it. It's a big engineering school. Some schools with engineering programs were TO last year but not for their engineering programs. Also, there was a minimum Math score required for consideration.

And yet Caltech manages to do it. It must be a second rate engineering school since it doesn’t use an exam that tests basic algebra and exactly zero science or engineering concepts to choose who it admits.

Caltech is an extraordinary place with approximately infinite resources and approximately zero students. Purdue is a pretty good school, for an ordinary school. That’s the actual significance of this. Most T100 universities (and the overwhelming majority by enrollment) are decent schools with limited resources educating tens of thousands of students at a time. In other words, most schools are unlike MIT/Caltech, and a lot like Purdue.

We are talking about admissions. So the infinite resources don’t really factor into this. It’s just the size and ability of the admissions office.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Purdue is a strong no-nonsence STEM school. Being STEM school, you can't fool yourself with woke bs and expect real scientific discovery emerges by itself. You need best talent people to make it happen. MIT research has shown that SAT/ACT scores, although they are not everything, have a close correlation with students' academic success in college. We can't be deliberately blind. It's insane for colleges not to consider the test one of the important criteria for their admissions.

I think this is really behind it. It's a big engineering school. Some schools with engineering programs were TO last year but not for their engineering programs. Also, there was a minimum Math score required for consideration.

And yet Caltech manages to do it. It must be a second rate engineering school since it doesn’t use an exam that tests basic algebra and exactly zero science or engineering concepts to choose who it admits.

Caltech is an extraordinary place with approximately infinite resources and approximately zero students. Purdue is a pretty good school, for an ordinary school. That’s the actual significance of this. Most T100 universities (and the overwhelming majority by enrollment) are decent schools with limited resources educating tens of thousands of students at a time. In other words, most schools are unlike MIT/Caltech, and a lot like Purdue.

We are talking about admissions. So the infinite resources don’t really factor into this. It’s just the size and ability of the admissions office.

You think the admissions office admits as many students as they want with no consideration for the school's resources?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Purdue is a strong no-nonsence STEM school. Being STEM school, you can't fool yourself with woke bs and expect real scientific discovery emerges by itself. You need best talent people to make it happen. MIT research has shown that SAT/ACT scores, although they are not everything, have a close correlation with students' academic success in college. We can't be deliberately blind. It's insane for colleges not to consider the test one of the important criteria for their admissions.

I think this is really behind it. It's a big engineering school. Some schools with engineering programs were TO last year but not for their engineering programs. Also, there was a minimum Math score required for consideration.

And yet Caltech manages to do it. It must be a second rate engineering school since it doesn’t use an exam that tests basic algebra and exactly zero science or engineering concepts to choose who it admits.

They are filling a TINY class. It's probably much easier to get this right (and really read applications) for a couple of hundred kids than it is for thousands.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Purdue is a strong no-nonsence STEM school. Being STEM school, you can't fool yourself with woke bs and expect real scientific discovery emerges by itself. You need best talent people to make it happen. MIT research has shown that SAT/ACT scores, although they are not everything, have a close correlation with students' academic success in college. We can't be deliberately blind. It's insane for colleges not to consider the test one of the important criteria for their admissions.

I think this is really behind it. It's a big engineering school. Some schools with engineering programs were TO last year but not for their engineering programs. Also, there was a minimum Math score required for consideration.

And yet Caltech manages to do it. It must be a second rate engineering school since it doesn’t use an exam that tests basic algebra and exactly zero science or engineering concepts to choose who it admits.

Caltech is an extraordinary place with approximately infinite resources and approximately zero students. Purdue is a pretty good school, for an ordinary school. That’s the actual significance of this. Most T100 universities (and the overwhelming majority by enrollment) are decent schools with limited resources educating tens of thousands of students at a time. In other words, most schools are unlike MIT/Caltech, and a lot like Purdue.

We are talking about admissions. So the infinite resources don’t really factor into this. It’s just the size and ability of the admissions office.

You think the admissions office admits as many students as they want with no consideration for the school's resources?

No I think the school’s resources are irrelevant in determining whether to use a standardized test in evaluating applicants. It is discrete thing that isn’t connected to the university at large. How large is a budget for an admissions office?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Purdue is a strong no-nonsence STEM school. Being STEM school, you can't fool yourself with woke bs and expect real scientific discovery emerges by itself. You need best talent people to make it happen. MIT research has shown that SAT/ACT scores, although they are not everything, have a close correlation with students' academic success in college. We can't be deliberately blind. It's insane for colleges not to consider the test one of the important criteria for their admissions.

I think this is really behind it. It's a big engineering school. Some schools with engineering programs were TO last year but not for their engineering programs. Also, there was a minimum Math score required for consideration.

And yet Caltech manages to do it. It must be a second rate engineering school since it doesn’t use an exam that tests basic algebra and exactly zero science or engineering concepts to choose who it admits.

They are filling a TINY class. It's probably much easier to get this right (and really read applications) for a couple of hundred kids than it is for thousands.

Seriously. There are about 250 freshmen at Caltech, about 10,000 at Purdue. Admissions at the two schools is just a completely different project, so different that it actually makes total sense that they would use very different processes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How many of the previous posters on this thread are NOT privileged? Let me guess: none.

Oh please give me a freaking break! I am a black Latina who grew up in abject poverty with English being my second language. Even I scored 1520 on the SAT. I studied for the test with an outdated book from the library. I got my behind up every day at 5:00 a.m. and studied for an hour each day before school. It could be done. There are no freaking excuses!

I don't know about your household, but in my household my children are expected to score high on ALL exams and take rigorous courses. My child scored a 1540 on her SAT last year as a sophomore. She studied on Khan Academy because it was free. Heck, I just told my 9th grader this morning that I expect him to score over 1500 next fall on his SAT exam when he is a sophomore. This is how I roll in my house. Stakes are high and their brown skins will not be spared when racism comes knocking on their door. I carry the burden of deep pain for my children's future. Too many people suffered, died, march, protest, etc. for them to not to score high on their exams. Damn, my people are still fighting for human rights, voting rights, etc. Privilege no, not here in this house just high expectations and the history of Jim Crow on my kids' backs!

I welcome that universities are making standardized test a requirement. The insanity of test optional only hurts students and makes the college admission process dysfunctional. It is beyond time that the dysfunctional college admission process is abolished. My daughter wants to become an engineer and she is only applying to schools that require the SAT. Screw the test optional schools! I am so ecstatic that engineering schools are taking the lead on eradicating the nonsense of test optional.

STOP THE INSANITY BRING BACK THE SAT!

Thank you!!! I also scored a 1520 on the SAT back in 1991. I was ecstatic; I had prepared myself using a $20 book. I would have gotten one from the library if I hadn't been able to afford that. I'm Latina also (not the privileged kind).

I know. I scored a 1540 as immigrant Laotian using pages from a SAT prep book that were hand copied in the margins of Italian store take-out menus. I would have stolen a copy if I hadn’t found them.

.
You could have borrowed test prep books from the library.

.

Our library had one copy that a couple hundred kids were vying for. So shoplifting really was the only option.

Isn't a SAT prep book like $15?
If you are that much flat broke, college is not a place for you.
get a job

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How many of the previous posters on this thread are NOT privileged? Let me guess: none.

Oh please give me a freaking break! I am a black Latina who grew up in abject poverty with English being my second language. Even I scored 1520 on the SAT. I studied for the test with an outdated book from the library. I got my behind up every day at 5:00 a.m. and studied for an hour each day before school. It could be done. There are no freaking excuses!

I don't know about your household, but in my household my children are expected to score high on ALL exams and take rigorous courses. My child scored a 1540 on her SAT last year as a sophomore. She studied on Khan Academy because it was free. Heck, I just told my 9th grader this morning that I expect him to score over 1500 next fall on his SAT exam when he is a sophomore. This is how I roll in my house. Stakes are high and their brown skins will not be spared when racism comes knocking on their door. I carry the burden of deep pain for my children's future. Too many people suffered, died, march, protest, etc. for them to not to score high on their exams. Damn, my people are still fighting for human rights, voting rights, etc. Privilege no, not here in this house just high expectations and the history of Jim Crow on my kids' backs!

I welcome that universities are making standardized test a requirement. The insanity of test optional only hurts students and makes the college admission process dysfunctional. It is beyond time that the dysfunctional college admission process is abolished. My daughter wants to become an engineer and she is only applying to schools that require the SAT. Screw the test optional schools! I am so ecstatic that engineering schools are taking the lead on eradicating the nonsense of test optional.

STOP THE INSANITY BRING BACK THE SAT!

Thank you!!! I also scored a 1520 on the SAT back in 1991. I was ecstatic; I had prepared myself using a $20 book. I would have gotten one from the library if I hadn't been able to afford that. I'm Latina also (not the privileged kind).

I know. I scored a 1540 as immigrant Laotian using pages from a SAT prep book that were hand copied in the margins of Italian store take-out menus. I would have stolen a copy if I hadn’t found them.

.
You could have borrowed test prep books from the library.

.

Our library had one copy that a couple hundred kids were vying for. So shoplifting really was the only option.

One single library branch in your entire town? No inter-library loan? I borrowed these books from the library in the early 90s. Did it again later 90s in a different city for LSAT prep.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Purdue is a strong no-nonsence STEM school. Being STEM school, you can't fool yourself with woke bs and expect real scientific discovery emerges by itself. You need best talent people to make it happen. MIT research has shown that SAT/ACT scores, although they are not everything, have a close correlation with students' academic success in college. We can't be deliberately blind. It's insane for colleges not to consider the test one of the important criteria for their admissions.

I think this is really behind it. It's a big engineering school. Some schools with engineering programs were TO last year but not for their engineering programs. Also, there was a minimum Math score required for consideration.

And yet Caltech manages to do it. It must be a second rate engineering school since it doesn’t use an exam that tests basic algebra and exactly zero science or engineering concepts to choose who it admits.

Caltech is an extraordinary place with approximately infinite resources and approximately zero students. Purdue is a pretty good school, for an ordinary school. That’s the actual significance of this. Most T100 universities (and the overwhelming majority by enrollment) are decent schools with limited resources educating tens of thousands of students at a time. In other words, most schools are unlike MIT/Caltech, and a lot like Purdue.

We are talking about admissions. So the infinite resources don’t really factor into this. It’s just the size and ability of the admissions office.

You think the admissions office admits as many students as they want with no consideration for the school's resources?

No I think the school’s resources are irrelevant in determining whether to use a standardized test in evaluating applicants. It is discrete thing that isn’t connected to the university at large. How large is a budget for an admissions office?

Why are you so determined to believe that Caltech doesn’t invest significant time and energy into reviewing each application, especially when making the final selection? I’m sure the school would tell you that they do!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How many of the previous posters on this thread are NOT privileged? Let me guess: none.

Oh please give me a freaking break! I am a black Latina who grew up in abject poverty with English being my second language. Even I scored 1520 on the SAT. I studied for the test with an outdated book from the library. I got my behind up every day at 5:00 a.m. and studied for an hour each day before school. It could be done. There are no freaking excuses!

I don't know about your household, but in my household my children are expected to score high on ALL exams and take rigorous courses. My child scored a 1540 on her SAT last year as a sophomore. She studied on Khan Academy because it was free. Heck, I just told my 9th grader this morning that I expect him to score over 1500 next fall on his SAT exam when he is a sophomore. This is how I roll in my house. Stakes are high and their brown skins will not be spared when racism comes knocking on their door. I carry the burden of deep pain for my children's future. Too many people suffered, died, march, protest, etc. for them to not to score high on their exams. Damn, my people are still fighting for human rights, voting rights, etc. Privilege no, not here in this house just high expectations and the history of Jim Crow on my kids' backs!

I welcome that universities are making standardized test a requirement. The insanity of test optional only hurts students and makes the college admission process dysfunctional. It is beyond time that the dysfunctional college admission process is abolished. My daughter wants to become an engineer and she is only applying to schools that require the SAT. Screw the test optional schools! I am so ecstatic that engineering schools are taking the lead on eradicating the nonsense of test optional.

STOP THE INSANITY BRING BACK THE SAT!

Thank you!!! I also scored a 1520 on the SAT back in 1991. I was ecstatic; I had prepared myself using a $20 book. I would have gotten one from the library if I hadn't been able to afford that. I'm Latina also (not the privileged kind).

I know. I scored a 1540 as immigrant Laotian using pages from a SAT prep book that were hand copied in the margins of Italian store take-out menus. I would have stolen a copy if I hadn’t found them.

.
You could have borrowed test prep books from the library.

.

Our library had one copy that a couple hundred kids were vying for. So shoplifting really was the only option.

One single library branch in your entire town? No inter-library loan? I borrowed these books from the library in the early 90s. Did it again later 90s in a different city for LSAT prep.

And no one at all, faculty or staff or school library, had books to loan at your HS? I'm just saying....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Purdue is a strong no-nonsence STEM school. Being STEM school, you can't fool yourself with woke bs and expect real scientific discovery emerges by itself. You need best talent people to make it happen. MIT research has shown that SAT/ACT scores, although they are not everything, have a close correlation with students' academic success in college. We can't be deliberately blind. It's insane for colleges not to consider the test one of the important criteria for their admissions.

I think this is really behind it. It's a big engineering school. Some schools with engineering programs were TO last year but not for their engineering programs. Also, there was a minimum Math score required for consideration.

And yet Caltech manages to do it. It must be a second rate engineering school since it doesn’t use an exam that tests basic algebra and exactly zero science or engineering concepts to choose who it admits.

Caltech is an extraordinary place with approximately infinite resources and approximately zero students. Purdue is a pretty good school, for an ordinary school. That’s the actual significance of this. Most T100 universities (and the overwhelming majority by enrollment) are decent schools with limited resources educating tens of thousands of students at a time. In other words, most schools are unlike MIT/Caltech, and a lot like Purdue.

We are talking about admissions. So the infinite resources don’t really factor into this. It’s just the size and ability of the admissions office.

You think the admissions office admits as many students as they want with no consideration for the school's resources?

No I think the school’s resources are irrelevant in determining whether to use a standardized test in evaluating applicants. It is discrete thing that isn’t connected to the university at large. How large is a budget for an admissions office?

Why are you so determined to believe that Caltech doesn’t invest significant time and energy into reviewing each application, especially when making the final selection? I’m sure the school would tell you that they do!

of course they do. which is why going TO isn't an issue. it's not a matter of the SAT being necessary, it's a cover for an admissions office. if Caltech can do it, so can MIT and so can Purdue. The relative sizes isn't the basis for an argument that test are necessary. They're only used because the school doesn't want to spend the resources to figure it out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How many of the previous posters on this thread are NOT privileged? Let me guess: none.

Oh please give me a freaking break! I am a black Latina who grew up in abject poverty with English being my second language. Even I scored 1520 on the SAT. I studied for the test with an outdated book from the library. I got my behind up every day at 5:00 a.m. and studied for an hour each day before school. It could be done. There are no freaking excuses!

I don't know about your household, but in my household my children are expected to score high on ALL exams and take rigorous courses. My child scored a 1540 on her SAT last year as a sophomore. She studied on Khan Academy because it was free. Heck, I just told my 9th grader this morning that I expect him to score over 1500 next fall on his SAT exam when he is a sophomore. This is how I roll in my house. Stakes are high and their brown skins will not be spared when racism comes knocking on their door. I carry the burden of deep pain for my children's future. Too many people suffered, died, march, protest, etc. for them to not to score high on their exams. Damn, my people are still fighting for human rights, voting rights, etc. Privilege no, not here in this house just high expectations and the history of Jim Crow on my kids' backs!

I welcome that universities are making standardized test a requirement. The insanity of test optional only hurts students and makes the college admission process dysfunctional. It is beyond time that the dysfunctional college admission process is abolished. My daughter wants to become an engineer and she is only applying to schools that require the SAT. Screw the test optional schools! I am so ecstatic that engineering schools are taking the lead on eradicating the nonsense of test optional.

STOP THE INSANITY BRING BACK THE SAT!

Thank you!!! I also scored a 1520 on the SAT back in 1991. I was ecstatic; I had prepared myself using a $20 book. I would have gotten one from the library if I hadn't been able to afford that. I'm Latina also (not the privileged kind).

I know. I scored a 1540 as immigrant Laotian using pages from a SAT prep book that were hand copied in the margins of Italian store take-out menus. I would have stolen a copy if I hadn’t found them.

.
You could have borrowed test prep books from the library.

.

Our library had one copy that a couple hundred kids were vying for. So shoplifting really was the only option.

One single library branch in your entire town? No inter-library loan? I borrowed these books from the library in the early 90s. Did it again later 90s in a different city for LSAT prep.

i wish i lived in your fantasy world where everything comes so easily.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Purdue is a strong no-nonsence STEM school. Being STEM school, you can't fool yourself with woke bs and expect real scientific discovery emerges by itself. You need best talent people to make it happen. MIT research has shown that SAT/ACT scores, although they are not everything, have a close correlation with students' academic success in college. We can't be deliberately blind. It's insane for colleges not to consider the test one of the important criteria for their admissions.

I think this is really behind it. It's a big engineering school. Some schools with engineering programs were TO last year but not for their engineering programs. Also, there was a minimum Math score required for consideration.

And yet Caltech manages to do it. It must be a second rate engineering school since it doesn’t use an exam that tests basic algebra and exactly zero science or engineering concepts to choose who it admits.

They are filling a TINY class. It's probably much easier to get this right (and really read applications) for a couple of hundred kids than it is for thousands.

Seriously. There are about 250 freshmen at Caltech, about 10,000 at Purdue. Admissions at the two schools is just a completely different project, so different that it actually makes total sense that they would use very different processes.

Exactly, so the point isn't that Purdue is a 'a strong no-nonsence STEM school. Being STEM school, you can't fool yourself with woke bs and expect real scientific discovery emerges by itself. You need best talent people to make it happen.' Caltech demonstrates you can find the best students (arguably the best) if you simply have the resources to evaluate applicants properly. It's really a question of whether Purdue or MIT decide that expending the resources such that the ratio of AOs to applicants is the same as Caltech.

If you think it's a just a matter of size - where is the cutoff between 250 and 10,000 where test optional is ok in your book?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How many of the previous posters on this thread are NOT privileged? Let me guess: none.

Oh please give me a freaking break! I am a black Latina who grew up in abject poverty with English being my second language. Even I scored 1520 on the SAT. I studied for the test with an outdated book from the library. I got my behind up every day at 5:00 a.m. and studied for an hour each day before school. It could be done. There are no freaking excuses!

I don't know about your household, but in my household my children are expected to score high on ALL exams and take rigorous courses. My child scored a 1540 on her SAT last year as a sophomore. She studied on Khan Academy because it was free. Heck, I just told my 9th grader this morning that I expect him to score over 1500 next fall on his SAT exam when he is a sophomore. This is how I roll in my house. Stakes are high and their brown skins will not be spared when racism comes knocking on their door. I carry the burden of deep pain for my children's future. Too many people suffered, died, march, protest, etc. for them to not to score high on their exams. Damn, my people are still fighting for human rights, voting rights, etc. Privilege no, not here in this house just high expectations and the history of Jim Crow on my kids' backs!

I welcome that universities are making standardized test a requirement. The insanity of test optional only hurts students and makes the college admission process dysfunctional. It is beyond time that the dysfunctional college admission process is abolished. My daughter wants to become an engineer and she is only applying to schools that require the SAT. Screw the test optional schools! I am so ecstatic that engineering schools are taking the lead on eradicating the nonsense of test optional.

STOP THE INSANITY BRING BACK THE SAT!

Thank you!!! I also scored a 1520 on the SAT back in 1991. I was ecstatic; I had prepared myself using a $20 book. I would have gotten one from the library if I hadn't been able to afford that. I'm Latina also (not the privileged kind).

I know. I scored a 1540 as immigrant Laotian using pages from a SAT prep book that were hand copied in the margins of Italian store take-out menus. I would have stolen a copy if I hadn’t found them.

.
You could have borrowed test prep books from the library.

.

Our library had one copy that a couple hundred kids were vying for. So shoplifting really was the only option.

One single library branch in your entire town? No inter-library loan? I borrowed these books from the library in the early 90s. Did it again later 90s in a different city for LSAT prep.

i wish i lived in your fantasy world where everything comes so easily.

How did it come easily? Because I walked or took public transportation to the library and borrowed the books? What were you doing in an Italian store take-out while I was busy working?