Purdue Returning to Test Required

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How many of the previous posters on this thread are NOT privileged? Let me guess: none.

Oh please give me a freaking break! I am a black Latina who grew up in abject poverty with English being my second language. Even I scored 1520 on the SAT. I studied for the test with an outdated book from the library. I got my behind up every day at 5:00 a.m. and studied for an hour each day before school. It could be done. There are no freaking excuses!

I don't know about your household, but in my household my children are expected to score high on ALL exams and take rigorous courses. My child scored a 1540 on her SAT last year as a sophomore. She studied on Khan Academy because it was free. Heck, I just told my 9th grader this morning that I expect him to score over 1500 next fall on his SAT exam when he is a sophomore. This is how I roll in my house. Stakes are high and their brown skins will not be spared when racism comes knocking on their door. I carry the burden of deep pain for my children's future. Too many people suffered, died, march, protest, etc. for them to not to score high on their exams. Damn, my people are still fighting for human rights, voting rights, etc. Privilege no, not here in this house just high expectations and the history of Jim Crow on my kids' backs!

I welcome that universities are making standardized test a requirement. The insanity of test optional only hurts students and makes the college admission process dysfunctional. It is beyond time that the dysfunctional college admission process is abolished. My daughter wants to become an engineer and she is only applying to schools that require the SAT. Screw the test optional schools! I am so ecstatic that engineering schools are taking the lead on eradicating the nonsense of test optional.

STOP THE INSANITY BRING BACK THE SAT!

Thank you!!! I also scored a 1520 on the SAT back in 1991. I was ecstatic; I had prepared myself using a $20 book. I would have gotten one from the library if I hadn't been able to afford that. I'm Latina also (not the privileged kind).

I know. I scored a 1540 as immigrant Laotian using pages from a SAT prep book that were hand copied in the margins of Italian store take-out menus. I would have stolen a copy if I hadn’t found them.

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You could have borrowed test prep books from the library.

.

Our library had one copy that a couple hundred kids were vying for. So shoplifting really was the only option.

Isn't a SAT prep book like $15?
If you are that much flat broke, college is not a place for you.
get a job

and the truth comes out - college isn't for the poor.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How many of the previous posters on this thread are NOT privileged? Let me guess: none.

Oh please give me a freaking break! I am a black Latina who grew up in abject poverty with English being my second language. Even I scored 1520 on the SAT. I studied for the test with an outdated book from the library. I got my behind up every day at 5:00 a.m. and studied for an hour each day before school. It could be done. There are no freaking excuses!

I don't know about your household, but in my household my children are expected to score high on ALL exams and take rigorous courses. My child scored a 1540 on her SAT last year as a sophomore. She studied on Khan Academy because it was free. Heck, I just told my 9th grader this morning that I expect him to score over 1500 next fall on his SAT exam when he is a sophomore. This is how I roll in my house. Stakes are high and their brown skins will not be spared when racism comes knocking on their door. I carry the burden of deep pain for my children's future. Too many people suffered, died, march, protest, etc. for them to not to score high on their exams. Damn, my people are still fighting for human rights, voting rights, etc. Privilege no, not here in this house just high expectations and the history of Jim Crow on my kids' backs!

I welcome that universities are making standardized test a requirement. The insanity of test optional only hurts students and makes the college admission process dysfunctional. It is beyond time that the dysfunctional college admission process is abolished. My daughter wants to become an engineer and she is only applying to schools that require the SAT. Screw the test optional schools! I am so ecstatic that engineering schools are taking the lead on eradicating the nonsense of test optional.

STOP THE INSANITY BRING BACK THE SAT!

Thank you!!! I also scored a 1520 on the SAT back in 1991. I was ecstatic; I had prepared myself using a $20 book. I would have gotten one from the library if I hadn't been able to afford that. I'm Latina also (not the privileged kind).

I know. I scored a 1540 as immigrant Laotian using pages from a SAT prep book that were hand copied in the margins of Italian store take-out menus. I would have stolen a copy if I hadn’t found them.

.
You could have borrowed test prep books from the library.

.

Our library had one copy that a couple hundred kids were vying for. So shoplifting really was the only option.

Isn't a SAT prep book like $15?
If you are that much flat broke, college is not a place for you.
get a job

and the truth comes out - college isn't for the poor.

It's true that college isn't for everyone. Intelligence, education, opportunities, and resources all play a part. Nonetheless, if students show aptitude and hard work in high school and is of such limited means that they can't afford a study guide, teachers and school counselors notice. They will help.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How many of the previous posters on this thread are NOT privileged? Let me guess: none.

Oh please give me a freaking break! I am a black Latina who grew up in abject poverty with English being my second language. Even I scored 1520 on the SAT. I studied for the test with an outdated book from the library. I got my behind up every day at 5:00 a.m. and studied for an hour each day before school. It could be done. There are no freaking excuses!

I don't know about your household, but in my household my children are expected to score high on ALL exams and take rigorous courses. My child scored a 1540 on her SAT last year as a sophomore. She studied on Khan Academy because it was free. Heck, I just told my 9th grader this morning that I expect him to score over 1500 next fall on his SAT exam when he is a sophomore. This is how I roll in my house. Stakes are high and their brown skins will not be spared when racism comes knocking on their door. I carry the burden of deep pain for my children's future. Too many people suffered, died, march, protest, etc. for them to not to score high on their exams. Damn, my people are still fighting for human rights, voting rights, etc. Privilege no, not here in this house just high expectations and the history of Jim Crow on my kids' backs!

I welcome that universities are making standardized test a requirement. The insanity of test optional only hurts students and makes the college admission process dysfunctional. It is beyond time that the dysfunctional college admission process is abolished. My daughter wants to become an engineer and she is only applying to schools that require the SAT. Screw the test optional schools! I am so ecstatic that engineering schools are taking the lead on eradicating the nonsense of test optional.

STOP THE INSANITY BRING BACK THE SAT!

Thank you!!! I also scored a 1520 on the SAT back in 1991. I was ecstatic; I had prepared myself using a $20 book. I would have gotten one from the library if I hadn't been able to afford that. I'm Latina also (not the privileged kind).

I know. I scored a 1540 as immigrant Laotian using pages from a SAT prep book that were hand copied in the margins of Italian store take-out menus. I would have stolen a copy if I hadn’t found them.

.
You could have borrowed test prep books from the library.

.

Our library had one copy that a couple hundred kids were vying for. So shoplifting really was the only option.

Isn't a SAT prep book like $15?
If you are that much flat broke, college is not a place for you.
get a job

and the truth comes out - college isn't for the poor.

Actually, it is for the poor. See the thread on ROI where the poor OP got a free ivy league PhD and her spouse got free Ivy league undergrad and law school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How many of the previous posters on this thread are NOT privileged? Let me guess: none.

Oh please give me a freaking break! I am a black Latina who grew up in abject poverty with English being my second language. Even I scored 1520 on the SAT. I studied for the test with an outdated book from the library. I got my behind up every day at 5:00 a.m. and studied for an hour each day before school. It could be done. There are no freaking excuses!

I don't know about your household, but in my household my children are expected to score high on ALL exams and take rigorous courses. My child scored a 1540 on her SAT last year as a sophomore. She studied on Khan Academy because it was free. Heck, I just told my 9th grader this morning that I expect him to score over 1500 next fall on his SAT exam when he is a sophomore. This is how I roll in my house. Stakes are high and their brown skins will not be spared when racism comes knocking on their door. I carry the burden of deep pain for my children's future. Too many people suffered, died, march, protest, etc. for them to not to score high on their exams. Damn, my people are still fighting for human rights, voting rights, etc. Privilege no, not here in this house just high expectations and the history of Jim Crow on my kids' backs!

I welcome that universities are making standardized test a requirement. The insanity of test optional only hurts students and makes the college admission process dysfunctional. It is beyond time that the dysfunctional college admission process is abolished. My daughter wants to become an engineer and she is only applying to schools that require the SAT. Screw the test optional schools! I am so ecstatic that engineering schools are taking the lead on eradicating the nonsense of test optional.

STOP THE INSANITY BRING BACK THE SAT!

Thank you!!! I also scored a 1520 on the SAT back in 1991. I was ecstatic; I had prepared myself using a $20 book. I would have gotten one from the library if I hadn't been able to afford that. I'm Latina also (not the privileged kind).

I know. I scored a 1540 as immigrant Laotian using pages from a SAT prep book that were hand copied in the margins of Italian store take-out menus. I would have stolen a copy if I hadn’t found them.

.
You could have borrowed test prep books from the library.

.

Our library had one copy that a couple hundred kids were vying for. So shoplifting really was the only option.

One single library branch in your entire town? No inter-library loan? I borrowed these books from the library in the early 90s. Did it again later 90s in a different city for LSAT prep.

i wish i lived in your fantasy world where everything comes so easily.

Putting forth effort and working hard are characteristics that will take you far.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How many of the previous posters on this thread are NOT privileged? Let me guess: none.

Oh please give me a freaking break! I am a black Latina who grew up in abject poverty with English being my second language. Even I scored 1520 on the SAT. I studied for the test with an outdated book from the library. I got my behind up every day at 5:00 a.m. and studied for an hour each day before school. It could be done. There are no freaking excuses!

I don't know about your household, but in my household my children are expected to score high on ALL exams and take rigorous courses. My child scored a 1540 on her SAT last year as a sophomore. She studied on Khan Academy because it was free. Heck, I just told my 9th grader this morning that I expect him to score over 1500 next fall on his SAT exam when he is a sophomore. This is how I roll in my house. Stakes are high and their brown skins will not be spared when racism comes knocking on their door. I carry the burden of deep pain for my children's future. Too many people suffered, died, march, protest, etc. for them to not to score high on their exams. Damn, my people are still fighting for human rights, voting rights, etc. Privilege no, not here in this house just high expectations and the history of Jim Crow on my kids' backs!

I welcome that universities are making standardized test a requirement. The insanity of test optional only hurts students and makes the college admission process dysfunctional. It is beyond time that the dysfunctional college admission process is abolished. My daughter wants to become an engineer and she is only applying to schools that require the SAT. Screw the test optional schools! I am so ecstatic that engineering schools are taking the lead on eradicating the nonsense of test optional.

STOP THE INSANITY BRING BACK THE SAT!

Thank you!!! I also scored a 1520 on the SAT back in 1991. I was ecstatic; I had prepared myself using a $20 book. I would have gotten one from the library if I hadn't been able to afford that. I'm Latina also (not the privileged kind).

I know. I scored a 1540 as immigrant Laotian using pages from a SAT prep book that were hand copied in the margins of Italian store take-out menus. I would have stolen a copy if I hadn’t found them.

.
You could have borrowed test prep books from the library.

.

Our library had one copy that a couple hundred kids were vying for. So shoplifting really was the only option.

Isn't a SAT prep book like $15?
If you are that much flat broke, college is not a place for you.
get a job

and the truth comes out - college isn't for the poor.

Actually, it is for the poor. See the thread on ROI where the poor OP got a free ivy league PhD and her spouse got free Ivy league undergrad and law school.

if you are poor at the level of not be able to purchase $15 SAT book, then you got some problem and should postpone college or start at a community college.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How many of the previous posters on this thread are NOT privileged? Let me guess: none.

Oh please give me a freaking break! I am a black Latina who grew up in abject poverty with English being my second language. Even I scored 1520 on the SAT. I studied for the test with an outdated book from the library. I got my behind up every day at 5:00 a.m. and studied for an hour each day before school. It could be done. There are no freaking excuses!

I don't know about your household, but in my household my children are expected to score high on ALL exams and take rigorous courses. My child scored a 1540 on her SAT last year as a sophomore. She studied on Khan Academy because it was free. Heck, I just told my 9th grader this morning that I expect him to score over 1500 next fall on his SAT exam when he is a sophomore. This is how I roll in my house. Stakes are high and their brown skins will not be spared when racism comes knocking on their door. I carry the burden of deep pain for my children's future. Too many people suffered, died, march, protest, etc. for them to not to score high on their exams. Damn, my people are still fighting for human rights, voting rights, etc. Privilege no, not here in this house just high expectations and the history of Jim Crow on my kids' backs!

I welcome that universities are making standardized test a requirement. The insanity of test optional only hurts students and makes the college admission process dysfunctional. It is beyond time that the dysfunctional college admission process is abolished. My daughter wants to become an engineer and she is only applying to schools that require the SAT. Screw the test optional schools! I am so ecstatic that engineering schools are taking the lead on eradicating the nonsense of test optional.

Your school counselor didn't assist kids with no resources? I've worked in so many different schools with counselors who would never have let a potential college applicant be without a prep book or class.

STOP THE INSANITY BRING BACK THE SAT!

Thank you!!! I also scored a 1520 on the SAT back in 1991. I was ecstatic; I had prepared myself using a $20 book. I would have gotten one from the library if I hadn't been able to afford that. I'm Latina also (not the privileged kind).

I know. I scored a 1540 as immigrant Laotian using pages from a SAT prep book that were hand copied in the margins of Italian store take-out menus. I would have stolen a copy if I hadn’t found them.

.
You could have borrowed test prep books from the library.

.

Our library had one copy that a couple hundred kids were vying for. So shoplifting really was the only option.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Purdue is a strong no-nonsence STEM school. Being STEM school, you can't fool yourself with woke bs and expect real scientific discovery emerges by itself. You need best talent people to make it happen. MIT research has shown that SAT/ACT scores, although they are not everything, have a close correlation with students' academic success in college. We can't be deliberately blind. It's insane for colleges not to consider the test one of the important criteria for their admissions.

I think this is really behind it. It's a big engineering school. Some schools with engineering programs were TO last year but not for their engineering programs. Also, there was a minimum Math score required for consideration.

And yet Caltech manages to do it. It must be a second rate engineering school since it doesn’t use an exam that tests basic algebra and exactly zero science or engineering concepts to choose who it admits.

Caltech is an extraordinary place with approximately infinite resources and approximately zero students. Purdue is a pretty good school, for an ordinary school. That’s the actual significance of this. Most T100 universities (and the overwhelming majority by enrollment) are decent schools with limited resources educating tens of thousands of students at a time. In other words, most schools are unlike MIT/Caltech, and a lot like Purdue.

We are talking about admissions. So the infinite resources don’t really factor into this. It’s just the size and ability of the admissions office.

You think the admissions office admits as many students as they want with no consideration for the school's resources?

No I think the school’s resources are irrelevant in determining whether to use a standardized test in evaluating applicants. It is discrete thing that isn’t connected to the university at large. How large is a budget for an admissions office?

Why are you so determined to believe that Caltech doesn’t invest significant time and energy into reviewing each application, especially when making the final selection? I’m sure the school would tell you that they do!

of course they do. which is why going TO isn't an issue. it's not a matter of the SAT being necessary, it's a cover for an admissions office. if Caltech can do it, so can MIT and so can Purdue. The relative sizes isn't the basis for an argument that test are necessary. They're only used because the school doesn't want to spend the resources to figure it out.

So you think Purdue should be forced to increase its application fees and/or tuition in order to do admissions the expensive way, when there’s a less expensive option that’s just as predictive of success.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How many of the previous posters on this thread are NOT privileged? Let me guess: none.

Oh please give me a freaking break! I am a black Latina who grew up in abject poverty with English being my second language. Even I scored 1520 on the SAT. I studied for the test with an outdated book from the library. I got my behind up every day at 5:00 a.m. and studied for an hour each day before school. It could be done. There are no freaking excuses!

I don't know about your household, but in my household my children are expected to score high on ALL exams and take rigorous courses. My child scored a 1540 on her SAT last year as a sophomore. She studied on Khan Academy because it was free. Heck, I just told my 9th grader this morning that I expect him to score over 1500 next fall on his SAT exam when he is a sophomore. This is how I roll in my house. Stakes are high and their brown skins will not be spared when racism comes knocking on their door. I carry the burden of deep pain for my children's future. Too many people suffered, died, march, protest, etc. for them to not to score high on their exams. Damn, my people are still fighting for human rights, voting rights, etc. Privilege no, not here in this house just high expectations and the history of Jim Crow on my kids' backs!

I welcome that universities are making standardized test a requirement. The insanity of test optional only hurts students and makes the college admission process dysfunctional. It is beyond time that the dysfunctional college admission process is abolished. My daughter wants to become an engineer and she is only applying to schools that require the SAT. Screw the test optional schools! I am so ecstatic that engineering schools are taking the lead on eradicating the nonsense of test optional.

STOP THE INSANITY BRING BACK THE SAT!

Thank you!!! I also scored a 1520 on the SAT back in 1991. I was ecstatic; I had prepared myself using a $20 book. I would have gotten one from the library if I hadn't been able to afford that. I'm Latina also (not the privileged kind).

I know. I scored a 1540 as immigrant Laotian using pages from a SAT prep book that were hand copied in the margins of Italian store take-out menus. I would have stolen a copy if I hadn’t found them.

.
You could have borrowed test prep books from the library.

.

Our library had one copy that a couple hundred kids were vying for. So shoplifting really was the only option.

One single library branch in your entire town? No inter-library loan? I borrowed these books from the library in the early 90s. Did it again later 90s in a different city for LSAT prep.

You've never lived in a small town with one library? Inter-library loan, you think the students in other towns aren't also trying to use the SAT prep books?

-not the pp you quoted.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How many of the previous posters on this thread are NOT privileged? Let me guess: none.

Oh please give me a freaking break! I am a black Latina who grew up in abject poverty with English being my second language. Even I scored 1520 on the SAT. I studied for the test with an outdated book from the library. I got my behind up every day at 5:00 a.m. and studied for an hour each day before school. It could be done. There are no freaking excuses!

I don't know about your household, but in my household my children are expected to score high on ALL exams and take rigorous courses. My child scored a 1540 on her SAT last year as a sophomore. She studied on Khan Academy because it was free. Heck, I just told my 9th grader this morning that I expect him to score over 1500 next fall on his SAT exam when he is a sophomore. This is how I roll in my house. Stakes are high and their brown skins will not be spared when racism comes knocking on their door. I carry the burden of deep pain for my children's future. Too many people suffered, died, march, protest, etc. for them to not to score high on their exams. Damn, my people are still fighting for human rights, voting rights, etc. Privilege no, not here in this house just high expectations and the history of Jim Crow on my kids' backs!

I welcome that universities are making standardized test a requirement. The insanity of test optional only hurts students and makes the college admission process dysfunctional. It is beyond time that the dysfunctional college admission process is abolished. My daughter wants to become an engineer and she is only applying to schools that require the SAT. Screw the test optional schools! I am so ecstatic that engineering schools are taking the lead on eradicating the nonsense of test optional.

STOP THE INSANITY BRING BACK THE SAT!

Thank you!!! I also scored a 1520 on the SAT back in 1991. I was ecstatic; I had prepared myself using a $20 book. I would have gotten one from the library if I hadn't been able to afford that. I'm Latina also (not the privileged kind).

I know. I scored a 1540 as immigrant Laotian using pages from a SAT prep book that were hand copied in the margins of Italian store take-out menus. I would have stolen a copy if I hadn’t found them.

.
You could have borrowed test prep books from the library.

.

Our library had one copy that a couple hundred kids were vying for. So shoplifting really was the only option.

Isn't a SAT prep book like $15?
If you are that much flat broke, college is not a place for you.
get a job

Those who complain that they can't get a few SAT or ACT prep books are just those that want to invest zero effort into their learning. They will have same complaints after going into colleges. We got a bunch of prep books from a yard sale, 50 cents a piece. After use, they were given away to neighbors. You can find a lot on local craiglist as well. Like this, https://cnj.craigslist.org/bks/d/piscataway-sat-prep-books/7557155201.html
Too many ways you can get it cheap, if you give it a little of your attention. No one should have this as an excuse really. That you don't do it is just simply you don't want to do it, not because the tempirary acquisition of several prep books is the insurmountable obstacle.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Purdue is a strong no-nonsence STEM school. Being STEM school, you can't fool yourself with woke bs and expect real scientific discovery emerges by itself. You need best talent people to make it happen. MIT research has shown that SAT/ACT scores, although they are not everything, have a close correlation with students' academic success in college. We can't be deliberately blind. It's insane for colleges not to consider the test one of the important criteria for their admissions.

I think this is really behind it. It's a big engineering school. Some schools with engineering programs were TO last year but not for their engineering programs. Also, there was a minimum Math score required for consideration.

And yet Caltech manages to do it. It must be a second rate engineering school since it doesn’t use an exam that tests basic algebra and exactly zero science or engineering concepts to choose who it admits.

Caltech is an extraordinary place with approximately infinite resources and approximately zero students. Purdue is a pretty good school, for an ordinary school. That’s the actual significance of this. Most T100 universities (and the overwhelming majority by enrollment) are decent schools with limited resources educating tens of thousands of students at a time. In other words, most schools are unlike MIT/Caltech, and a lot like Purdue.

We are talking about admissions. So the infinite resources don’t really factor into this. It’s just the size and ability of the admissions office.

You think the admissions office admits as many students as they want with no consideration for the school's resources?

No I think the school’s resources are irrelevant in determining whether to use a standardized test in evaluating applicants. It is discrete thing that isn’t connected to the university at large. How large is a budget for an admissions office?

Why are you so determined to believe that Caltech doesn’t invest significant time and energy into reviewing each application, especially when making the final selection? I’m sure the school would tell you that they do!

of course they do. which is why going TO isn't an issue. it's not a matter of the SAT being necessary, it's a cover for an admissions office. if Caltech can do it, so can MIT and so can Purdue. The relative sizes isn't the basis for an argument that test are necessary. They're only used because the school doesn't want to spend the resources to figure it out.

So you think Purdue should be forced to increase its application fees and/or tuition in order to do admissions the expensive way, when there’s a less expensive option that’s just as predictive of success.

No, I don't. They can do what they want, but let's then not also pretend that it's because they're a STEM school and this is the only way to do it. Clearly a different way exists, they just don't want to pursue it. You've just agreed it's a choice on the part of the school between a closer review of applications and using a standardized test and that both are just are predictive of success. So why criticize schools that remain TO?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How many of the previous posters on this thread are NOT privileged? Let me guess: none.

Oh please give me a freaking break! I am a black Latina who grew up in abject poverty with English being my second language. Even I scored 1520 on the SAT. I studied for the test with an outdated book from the library. I got my behind up every day at 5:00 a.m. and studied for an hour each day before school. It could be done. There are no freaking excuses!

I don't know about your household, but in my household my children are expected to score high on ALL exams and take rigorous courses. My child scored a 1540 on her SAT last year as a sophomore. She studied on Khan Academy because it was free. Heck, I just told my 9th grader this morning that I expect him to score over 1500 next fall on his SAT exam when he is a sophomore. This is how I roll in my house. Stakes are high and their brown skins will not be spared when racism comes knocking on their door. I carry the burden of deep pain for my children's future. Too many people suffered, died, march, protest, etc. for them to not to score high on their exams. Damn, my people are still fighting for human rights, voting rights, etc. Privilege no, not here in this house just high expectations and the history of Jim Crow on my kids' backs!

I welcome that universities are making standardized test a requirement. The insanity of test optional only hurts students and makes the college admission process dysfunctional. It is beyond time that the dysfunctional college admission process is abolished. My daughter wants to become an engineer and she is only applying to schools that require the SAT. Screw the test optional schools! I am so ecstatic that engineering schools are taking the lead on eradicating the nonsense of test optional.

STOP THE INSANITY BRING BACK THE SAT!

Thank you!!! I also scored a 1520 on the SAT back in 1991. I was ecstatic; I had prepared myself using a $20 book. I would have gotten one from the library if I hadn't been able to afford that. I'm Latina also (not the privileged kind).

I know. I scored a 1540 as immigrant Laotian using pages from a SAT prep book that were hand copied in the margins of Italian store take-out menus. I would have stolen a copy if I hadn’t found them.

.
You could have borrowed test prep books from the library.

.

Our library had one copy that a couple hundred kids were vying for. So shoplifting really was the only option.

Isn't a SAT prep book like $15?
If you are that much flat broke, college is not a place for you.
get a job

Those who complain that they can't get a few SAT or ACT prep books are just those that want to invest zero effort into their learning. They will have same complaints after going into colleges. We got a bunch of prep books from a yard sale, 50 cents a piece. After use, they were given away to neighbors. You can find a lot on local craiglist as well. Like this, https://cnj.craigslist.org/bks/d/piscataway-sat-prep-books/7557155201.html
Too many ways you can get it cheap, if you give it a little of your attention. No one should have this as an excuse really. That you don't do it is just simply you don't want to do it, not because the tempirary acquisition of several prep books is the insurmountable obstacle.

These are all the same people who criticize people for working service jobs for less than a living wage because they can just find a better paying job. And then complain their latte takes too long to deliver. Would that more rich people tell me how I should have lived my life.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How many of the previous posters on this thread are NOT privileged? Let me guess: none.

Oh please give me a freaking break! I am a black Latina who grew up in abject poverty with English being my second language. Even I scored 1520 on the SAT. I studied for the test with an outdated book from the library. I got my behind up every day at 5:00 a.m. and studied for an hour each day before school. It could be done. There are no freaking excuses!

I don't know about your household, but in my household my children are expected to score high on ALL exams and take rigorous courses. My child scored a 1540 on her SAT last year as a sophomore. She studied on Khan Academy because it was free. Heck, I just told my 9th grader this morning that I expect him to score over 1500 next fall on his SAT exam when he is a sophomore. This is how I roll in my house. Stakes are high and their brown skins will not be spared when racism comes knocking on their door. I carry the burden of deep pain for my children's future. Too many people suffered, died, march, protest, etc. for them to not to score high on their exams. Damn, my people are still fighting for human rights, voting rights, etc. Privilege no, not here in this house just high expectations and the history of Jim Crow on my kids' backs!

I welcome that universities are making standardized test a requirement. The insanity of test optional only hurts students and makes the college admission process dysfunctional. It is beyond time that the dysfunctional college admission process is abolished. My daughter wants to become an engineer and she is only applying to schools that require the SAT. Screw the test optional schools! I am so ecstatic that engineering schools are taking the lead on eradicating the nonsense of test optional.

STOP THE INSANITY BRING BACK THE SAT!

Thank you!!! I also scored a 1520 on the SAT back in 1991. I was ecstatic; I had prepared myself using a $20 book. I would have gotten one from the library if I hadn't been able to afford that. I'm Latina also (not the privileged kind).

I know. I scored a 1540 as immigrant Laotian using pages from a SAT prep book that were hand copied in the margins of Italian store take-out menus. I would have stolen a copy if I hadn’t found them.

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You could have borrowed test prep books from the library.

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Our library had one copy that a couple hundred kids were vying for. So shoplifting really was the only option.

Isn't a SAT prep book like $15?
If you are that much flat broke, college is not a place for you.
get a job

and the truth comes out - college isn't for the poor.

Actually, it is for the poor. See the thread on ROI where the poor OP got a free ivy league PhD and her spouse got free Ivy league undergrad and law school.

if you are poor at the level of not be able to purchase $15 SAT book, then you got some problem and should postpone college or start at a community college.

Or get a free ride to an Ivy.

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Anonymous wrote:How many of the previous posters on this thread are NOT privileged? Let me guess: none.

Oh please give me a freaking break! I am a black Latina who grew up in abject poverty with English being my second language. Even I scored 1520 on the SAT. I studied for the test with an outdated book from the library. I got my behind up every day at 5:00 a.m. and studied for an hour each day before school. It could be done. There are no freaking excuses!

I don't know about your household, but in my household my children are expected to score high on ALL exams and take rigorous courses. My child scored a 1540 on her SAT last year as a sophomore. She studied on Khan Academy because it was free. Heck, I just told my 9th grader this morning that I expect him to score over 1500 next fall on his SAT exam when he is a sophomore. This is how I roll in my house. Stakes are high and their brown skins will not be spared when racism comes knocking on their door. I carry the burden of deep pain for my children's future. Too many people suffered, died, march, protest, etc. for them to not to score high on their exams. Damn, my people are still fighting for human rights, voting rights, etc. Privilege no, not here in this house just high expectations and the history of Jim Crow on my kids' backs!

I welcome that universities are making standardized test a requirement. The insanity of test optional only hurts students and makes the college admission process dysfunctional. It is beyond time that the dysfunctional college admission process is abolished. My daughter wants to become an engineer and she is only applying to schools that require the SAT. Screw the test optional schools! I am so ecstatic that engineering schools are taking the lead on eradicating the nonsense of test optional.

STOP THE INSANITY BRING BACK THE SAT!

Thank you!!! I also scored a 1520 on the SAT back in 1991. I was ecstatic; I had prepared myself using a $20 book. I would have gotten one from the library if I hadn't been able to afford that. I'm Latina also (not the privileged kind).

I know. I scored a 1540 as immigrant Laotian using pages from a SAT prep book that were hand copied in the margins of Italian store take-out menus. I would have stolen a copy if I hadn’t found them.

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You could have borrowed test prep books from the library.

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Our library had one copy that a couple hundred kids were vying for. So shoplifting really was the only option.

One single library branch in your entire town? No inter-library loan? I borrowed these books from the library in the early 90s. Did it again later 90s in a different city for LSAT prep.

You've never lived in a small town with one library? Inter-library loan, you think the students in other towns aren't also trying to use the SAT prep books?

-not the pp you quoted.

If you lived in quaint little town with one library, I'm sure your public HS was equipped enough to have a prep book at its own library or in the possession of a HS administrator or counselor and could be borrowed. PP mentioned an Italian takeout store, so I picture more of an urban area.

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Anonymous wrote:Purdue is a strong no-nonsence STEM school. Being STEM school, you can't fool yourself with woke bs and expect real scientific discovery emerges by itself. You need best talent people to make it happen. MIT research has shown that SAT/ACT scores, although they are not everything, have a close correlation with students' academic success in college. We can't be deliberately blind. It's insane for colleges not to consider the test one of the important criteria for their admissions.

I think this is really behind it. It's a big engineering school. Some schools with engineering programs were TO last year but not for their engineering programs. Also, there was a minimum Math score required for consideration.

And yet Caltech manages to do it. It must be a second rate engineering school since it doesn’t use an exam that tests basic algebra and exactly zero science or engineering concepts to choose who it admits.

To be fair, we don’t know whether or not Cal Tech has had any issues with test optional or not. We are only 18 months into this experiment.

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Anonymous wrote:Purdue is a strong no-nonsence STEM school. Being STEM school, you can't fool yourself with woke bs and expect real scientific discovery emerges by itself. You need best talent people to make it happen. MIT research has shown that SAT/ACT scores, although they are not everything, have a close correlation with students' academic success in college. We can't be deliberately blind. It's insane for colleges not to consider the test one of the important criteria for their admissions.

I think this is really behind it. It's a big engineering school. Some schools with engineering programs were TO last year but not for their engineering programs. Also, there was a minimum Math score required for consideration.

And yet Caltech manages to do it. It must be a second rate engineering school since it doesn’t use an exam that tests basic algebra and exactly zero science or engineering concepts to choose who it admits.

To be fair, we don’t know whether or not Cal Tech has had any issues with test optional or not. We are only 18 months into this experiment.

to be fair, Cal Tech doesn't think they have any issues. In August they elected to go test-free (they won't even look at them) through 2025.

"The institute said in a statement the decision to continue the testing ban stems from a “rigorous internal analysis” of the previous seven cohorts of first-year undergraduates and their academic results. This encompasses students who matriculated before and after CalTech began test-free admissions.

Sticking with these policies will allow CalTech to keep studying links between test scores and academic performance, it said.

Caltech said the predictive power of assessment scores “appears to dissipate as students progress through the first-year core curriculum.”

“A consensus has developed among faculty and professional staff involved in admissions at Caltech,” Jared Leadbetter, environmental microbiology professor and chair of the institution’s first-year admissions committee, said in a statement. “That is, that numerous other key attributes of applications serve as stronger indicators of the potential for student success here.”