Why Does Johns Hopkins Get Destroyed in Cross-Admit Battles with Peer Schools?

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Anonymous wrote:Hopkins. 61 , Vandy 39
Hopkins 65, UCLA 35
Hopkins 53, Wash U 47
Hopkins 68, Mich 32
Hopkins 80, Emory 20


Comes close to the lower Ivies, but can’t match them
Hopkins 49 Cornell 51

But as OP would probably admit, since JHU is ranked well above those schools, they aren’t the peers…right?

They aren’t going to beat out the Ivies, Stanford and MIT. Who does?

Well we already basically beat out Cornell, so all the Ivies can't be lumped together. And Duke beats out a ton of Ivies for cross-admits, so why can't we? We're ranked higher and we have better prestige than Duke.

Wait, are you talking about Hopkins? JHU undergrad is far less prestigious than Duke.

I'm talking about in general, including undergrad. For undergrad specifically, JHU is currently #7, tied with UPenn, on USNWR. Duke is #10.

Duke hasn't been ranked higher than Hopkins by USNWR, by far the most influential ranking source like it or not, since 2019 (which is a very long time for kids who are 16-18). Historically, I'd say you're probably right that Duke has been more prestigious name wise but the Hopkins association with the med school and hospital gives them something they may actually be the best at, which Duke doesn't have (Stanford and Harvard, for example, would be clearly better than Duke for undergrad and every major grad school). Both are great and elite overall but not in the very top group of universities.

Yes I'm agreeing with you, which is why I said JHU is #7 while Duke is #10 on USNWR which just further highlights JHU is in a different league than Duke. Finally someone else gets it, too many people on here are just ignoring the data.

GW man here again. It's clear you are insecure about Johns Hopkins and how it compares to the Ivy League, Stanford, and Duke for some reason, so let's put this to rest with some more "data." Before I provide the data, just a friendly reminder that none of what I'm about to share takes away from the fact that JHU is a fine institution and a great place for a kid to get an education. This is all stuff that could be found previously on here, but here we go:

Cross-Admit Data with Some of the Ivy League

Johns Hopkins 16% - Yale 84%
Johns Hopkins 19% - Columbia 81%
Johns Hopkins 41% - Dartmouth 59%
Johns Hopkins 49% - Cornell 51%

Cross-Admit Data with Some of the Top Non-Ivy League

Johns Hopkins 15% - Stanford 85%
Johns Hopkins 19% - Duke 81%
Johns Hopkins 31% - UChicago 69%
Johns Hopkins 35% - Northwestern 65%
Johns Hopkins 44% - Rice 56%
Johns Hopkins 53% - WashU 47%
Johns Hopkins 61% - Vanderbilt 39%

Now, since you love rankings so much, let's compare undergraduate rankings by the 5 most popular publications.

JHU College Rankings

USNWR: 7
WSJ/THE: 9
Forbes: 18
Niche: 21
Washington Monthly: 23

Cornell College Rankings (picking Cornell as the Ivy Representative because you seem to have the most problem with them)

USNWR: 17
WSJ/THE: 11
Forbes: 16
Niche: 23
Washington Monthly: 8

Duke College Rankings (picking Duke as the non-Ivy Representative because you seem to have the most problem with them)

USNWR: 10
WSJ/THE: 5
Forbes: 9
Niche: 8
Washington Monthly: 5

JHU and Cornell match up pretty well, which is what several people before were saying, but you still seem to think JHU has far surpassed Cornell. All the data shows they're quite neck-and-neck both in rankings and cross-admits. Duke, on the other hand, blows JHU (and Cornell) out of the water in cross-admits and rankings. Interestingly, USNWR is Hopkins' best ranking out of all of them, and it's Duke's worst. It's impressive to say the least that Duke is ranked #10 on USNWR, but as you keep looking at other rankings it gets better and better, meaning USNWR is actually probably lowballing Duke. Are we done now? JHU is still a great school but you reek of insecurity.

Nice compiling. My comment on Cornell's financial aid policy kind of makes the same point without all the numbers. If we felt Hopkins was so much better for undergrad than us as the PP keeps seeming to claim, we would match their financial aid offers but we don't. To summarize and remind: "Cornell is unable to consider evaluating scholarship offers that are not from another Ivy League institution, Stanford, Duke or MIT or offers based on athletics and/or merit. Of the students who said where they planned to enroll, they most often chose the Ivies, Stanford, Duke or MIT over Cornell, Keane said. Princeton and Harvard were each the choice of 7 percent of accepted students who declined Cornell; UPenn and MIT were each the choice of 5 percent; Duke and Yale were each the choice of 4 percent; and Columbia, Stanford and Dartmouth University were each the choice of 3 percent." No mention of Hopkins for the schools outside the Ivy League. I however, have no qualms conceding Stanford, Duke, and MIT are overall better undergraduate institutions than Cornell. I've come to accept that without much difficulty.

I don't care about Cornell's financial aid policy or who they lose students to. The truth is JHU is way past Cornell for undergrad: we're #7 on USNWR while Cornell is way back at #17 on USNWR. That makes Cornell more like a backup option to us instead of an actual peer.

JHU's undergraduate peers are Cornell, Dartmouth, Brown, UChicago, Northwestern, Vanderbilt, Rice, and WashU. That's the reality that most of the metrics point to, whether you like it or not. You're not quite at the level of Yale, Penn, Duke, Columbia - that's it's own grouping.

This is only the grouping of a foreigner (or someone who didn't go to college) who obsessively reads USNWR.

Here's a real ranking:

Tier 1 - Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford
Tier 1A - MIT and Caltech
Tier 2 - Columbia, Dartmouth, Brown, Duke, Northwestern, and begrudgingly Chicago
Tier 3 - Cornell, Penn, Hopkins, Vanderbilt, WUSTL, Rice, the good publics like Berkeley and UVA, the good Catholic schools like ND and Georgetown

For SLACs, it's Williams and Amherst, then Swarthmore and maybe Pomona, then everyone else.

Oh, can I play too? Can I pull a ranking out of my rear and claim it has some authority?

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Anonymous wrote:Hopkins. 61 , Vandy 39
Hopkins 65, UCLA 35
Hopkins 53, Wash U 47
Hopkins 68, Mich 32
Hopkins 80, Emory 20


Comes close to the lower Ivies, but can’t match them
Hopkins 49 Cornell 51

But as OP would probably admit, since JHU is ranked well above those schools, they aren’t the peers…right?

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Do you have data on JHU against the top 12 universities?

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Anonymous wrote:Hopkins. 61 , Vandy 39
Hopkins 65, UCLA 35
Hopkins 53, Wash U 47
Hopkins 68, Mich 32
Hopkins 80, Emory 20


Comes close to the lower Ivies, but can’t match them
Hopkins 49 Cornell 51

But as OP would probably admit, since JHU is ranked well above those schools, they aren’t the peers…right?

They aren’t going to beat out the Ivies, Stanford and MIT. Who does?

Well we already basically beat out Cornell, so all the Ivies can't be lumped together. And Duke beats out a ton of Ivies for cross-admits, so why can't we? We're ranked higher and we have better prestige than Duke.

Wait, are you talking about Hopkins? JHU undergrad is far less prestigious than Duke.

I'm talking about in general, including undergrad. For undergrad specifically, JHU is currently #7, tied with UPenn, on USNWR. Duke is #10.

Duke hasn't been ranked higher than Hopkins by USNWR, by far the most influential ranking source like it or not, since 2019 (which is a very long time for kids who are 16-18). Historically, I'd say you're probably right that Duke has been more prestigious name wise but the Hopkins association with the med school and hospital gives them something they may actually be the best at, which Duke doesn't have (Stanford and Harvard, for example, would be clearly better than Duke for undergrad and every major grad school). Both are great and elite overall but not in the very top group of universities.

Yes I'm agreeing with you, which is why I said JHU is #7 while Duke is #10 on USNWR which just further highlights JHU is in a different league than Duke. Finally someone else gets it, too many people on here are just ignoring the data.

GW man here again. It's clear you are insecure about Johns Hopkins and how it compares to the Ivy League, Stanford, and Duke for some reason, so let's put this to rest with some more "data." Before I provide the data, just a friendly reminder that none of what I'm about to share takes away from the fact that JHU is a fine institution and a great place for a kid to get an education. This is all stuff that could be found previously on here, but here we go:

Cross-Admit Data with Some of the Ivy League

Johns Hopkins 16% - Yale 84%
Johns Hopkins 19% - Columbia 81%
Johns Hopkins 41% - Dartmouth 59%
Johns Hopkins 49% - Cornell 51%

Cross-Admit Data with Some of the Top Non-Ivy League

Johns Hopkins 15% - Stanford 85%
Johns Hopkins 19% - Duke 81%
Johns Hopkins 31% - UChicago 69%
Johns Hopkins 35% - Northwestern 65%
Johns Hopkins 44% - Rice 56%
Johns Hopkins 53% - WashU 47%
Johns Hopkins 61% - Vanderbilt 39%

Now, since you love rankings so much, let's compare undergraduate rankings by the 5 most popular publications.

JHU College Rankings

USNWR: 7
WSJ/THE: 9
Forbes: 18
Niche: 21
Washington Monthly: 23

Cornell College Rankings (picking Cornell as the Ivy Representative because you seem to have the most problem with them)

USNWR: 17
WSJ/THE: 11
Forbes: 16
Niche: 23
Washington Monthly: 8

Duke College Rankings (picking Duke as the non-Ivy Representative because you seem to have the most problem with them)

USNWR: 10
WSJ/THE: 5
Forbes: 9
Niche: 8
Washington Monthly: 5

JHU and Cornell match up pretty well, which is what several people before were saying, but you still seem to think JHU has far surpassed Cornell. All the data shows they're quite neck-and-neck both in rankings and cross-admits. Duke, on the other hand, blows JHU (and Cornell) out of the water in cross-admits and rankings. Interestingly, USNWR is Hopkins' best ranking out of all of them, and it's Duke's worst. It's impressive to say the least that Duke is ranked #10 on USNWR, but as you keep looking at other rankings it gets better and better, meaning USNWR is actually probably lowballing Duke. Are we done now? JHU is still a great school but you reek of insecurity.

Nice compiling. My comment on Cornell's financial aid policy kind of makes the same point without all the numbers. If we felt Hopkins was so much better for undergrad than us as the PP keeps seeming to claim, we would match their financial aid offers but we don't. To summarize and remind: "Cornell is unable to consider evaluating scholarship offers that are not from another Ivy League institution, Stanford, Duke or MIT or offers based on athletics and/or merit. Of the students who said where they planned to enroll, they most often chose the Ivies, Stanford, Duke or MIT over Cornell, Keane said. Princeton and Harvard were each the choice of 7 percent of accepted students who declined Cornell; UPenn and MIT were each the choice of 5 percent; Duke and Yale were each the choice of 4 percent; and Columbia, Stanford and Dartmouth University were each the choice of 3 percent." No mention of Hopkins for the schools outside the Ivy League. I however, have no qualms conceding Stanford, Duke, and MIT are overall better undergraduate institutions than Cornell. I've come to accept that without much difficulty.

I don't care about Cornell's financial aid policy or who they lose students to. The truth is JHU is way past Cornell for undergrad: we're #7 on USNWR while Cornell is way back at #17 on USNWR. That makes Cornell more like a backup option to us instead of an actual peer.

JHU's undergraduate peers are Cornell, Dartmouth, Brown, UChicago, Northwestern, Vanderbilt, Rice, and WashU. That's the reality that most of the metrics point to, whether you like it or not. You're not quite at the level of Yale, Penn, Duke, Columbia - that's it's own grouping.

This is only the grouping of a foreigner (or someone who didn't go to college) who obsessively reads USNWR.

Here's a real ranking:

Tier 1 - Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford
Tier 1A - MIT and Caltech
Tier 2 - Columbia, Dartmouth, Brown, Duke, Northwestern, and begrudgingly Chicago
Tier 3 - Cornell, Penn, Hopkins, Vanderbilt, WUSTL, Rice, the good publics like Berkeley and UVA, the good Catholic schools like ND and Georgetown

For SLACs, it's Williams and Amherst, then Swarthmore and maybe Pomona, then everyone else.

Oh, can I play too? Can I pull a ranking out of my rear and claim it has some authority?

Sure, but you'll be wrong unless it roughly matches up with the one I posted above.

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Anonymous wrote:Hopkins. 61 , Vandy 39
Hopkins 65, UCLA 35
Hopkins 53, Wash U 47
Hopkins 68, Mich 32
Hopkins 80, Emory 20


Comes close to the lower Ivies, but can’t match them
Hopkins 49 Cornell 51

But as OP would probably admit, since JHU is ranked well above those schools, they aren’t the peers…right?

They aren’t going to beat out the Ivies, Stanford and MIT. Who does?

Well we already basically beat out Cornell, so all the Ivies can't be lumped together. And Duke beats out a ton of Ivies for cross-admits, so why can't we? We're ranked higher and we have better prestige than Duke.

Wait, are you talking about Hopkins? JHU undergrad is far less prestigious than Duke.

I'm talking about in general, including undergrad. For undergrad specifically, JHU is currently #7, tied with UPenn, on USNWR. Duke is #10.

Duke hasn't been ranked higher than Hopkins by USNWR, by far the most influential ranking source like it or not, since 2019 (which is a very long time for kids who are 16-18). Historically, I'd say you're probably right that Duke has been more prestigious name wise but the Hopkins association with the med school and hospital gives them something they may actually be the best at, which Duke doesn't have (Stanford and Harvard, for example, would be clearly better than Duke for undergrad and every major grad school). Both are great and elite overall but not in the very top group of universities.

Yes I'm agreeing with you, which is why I said JHU is #7 while Duke is #10 on USNWR which just further highlights JHU is in a different league than Duke. Finally someone else gets it, too many people on here are just ignoring the data.

GW man here again. It's clear you are insecure about Johns Hopkins and how it compares to the Ivy League, Stanford, and Duke for some reason, so let's put this to rest with some more "data." Before I provide the data, just a friendly reminder that none of what I'm about to share takes away from the fact that JHU is a fine institution and a great place for a kid to get an education. This is all stuff that could be found previously on here, but here we go:

Cross-Admit Data with Some of the Ivy League

Johns Hopkins 16% - Yale 84%
Johns Hopkins 19% - Columbia 81%
Johns Hopkins 41% - Dartmouth 59%
Johns Hopkins 49% - Cornell 51%

Cross-Admit Data with Some of the Top Non-Ivy League

Johns Hopkins 15% - Stanford 85%
Johns Hopkins 19% - Duke 81%
Johns Hopkins 31% - UChicago 69%
Johns Hopkins 35% - Northwestern 65%
Johns Hopkins 44% - Rice 56%
Johns Hopkins 53% - WashU 47%
Johns Hopkins 61% - Vanderbilt 39%

Now, since you love rankings so much, let's compare undergraduate rankings by the 5 most popular publications.

JHU College Rankings

USNWR: 7
WSJ/THE: 9
Forbes: 18
Niche: 21
Washington Monthly: 23

Cornell College Rankings (picking Cornell as the Ivy Representative because you seem to have the most problem with them)

USNWR: 17
WSJ/THE: 11
Forbes: 16
Niche: 23
Washington Monthly: 8

Duke College Rankings (picking Duke as the non-Ivy Representative because you seem to have the most problem with them)

USNWR: 10
WSJ/THE: 5
Forbes: 9
Niche: 8
Washington Monthly: 5

JHU and Cornell match up pretty well, which is what several people before were saying, but you still seem to think JHU has far surpassed Cornell. All the data shows they're quite neck-and-neck both in rankings and cross-admits. Duke, on the other hand, blows JHU (and Cornell) out of the water in cross-admits and rankings. Interestingly, USNWR is Hopkins' best ranking out of all of them, and it's Duke's worst. It's impressive to say the least that Duke is ranked #10 on USNWR, but as you keep looking at other rankings it gets better and better, meaning USNWR is actually probably lowballing Duke. Are we done now? JHU is still a great school but you reek of insecurity.

Nice compiling. My comment on Cornell's financial aid policy kind of makes the same point without all the numbers. If we felt Hopkins was so much better for undergrad than us as the PP keeps seeming to claim, we would match their financial aid offers but we don't. To summarize and remind: "Cornell is unable to consider evaluating scholarship offers that are not from another Ivy League institution, Stanford, Duke or MIT or offers based on athletics and/or merit. Of the students who said where they planned to enroll, they most often chose the Ivies, Stanford, Duke or MIT over Cornell, Keane said. Princeton and Harvard were each the choice of 7 percent of accepted students who declined Cornell; UPenn and MIT were each the choice of 5 percent; Duke and Yale were each the choice of 4 percent; and Columbia, Stanford and Dartmouth University were each the choice of 3 percent." No mention of Hopkins for the schools outside the Ivy League. I however, have no qualms conceding Stanford, Duke, and MIT are overall better undergraduate institutions than Cornell. I've come to accept that without much difficulty.

I don't care about Cornell's financial aid policy or who they lose students to. The truth is JHU is way past Cornell for undergrad: we're #7 on USNWR while Cornell is way back at #17 on USNWR. That makes Cornell more like a backup option to us instead of an actual peer.

JHU's undergraduate peers are Cornell, Dartmouth, Brown, UChicago, Northwestern, Vanderbilt, Rice, and WashU. That's the reality that most of the metrics point to, whether you like it or not. You're not quite at the level of Yale, Penn, Duke, Columbia - that's it's own grouping.

Nope, we're better than every school you listed as a "peer." Even the schools you listed above us I can concede might be considered peers, but not all of them. Yale has prestige but it's easily the worst out of the "HYPSM" group and we destroy it for most STEM subjects, which is most important in today's day and age. Penn is a glorified business school. Duke is a basketball/party school for kids who couldn't cut it at a school like Hopkins. Columbia is not even in this discussion - it's #18 on USNWR, we're #7, it's a backup like Cornell. This is the truth.

You sound really angry. Did you forget to take your meds or something?

Quiet l!bt@rd, a real adult is talking, I don't want you to get sad and have to take more antidepressants. Not my fault Hopkins rejected your kid so you have to tell lies about it. We're better than the majority of the schools any of the people here have mentioned: #7 on USNWR doesn't lie. Cornell is a backup, Duke is for kids who can't handle the academics of Hopkins, Penn is for kids who can't study real subjects outside of business, and Yale is a social justice hellhole. This is all truth, no other way to put it and it's not my fault if you can't accept it.

libt@rd? Real mature

Well it's obvious you are since you can't seem to comprehend facts. We're #7 on USNWR. Cornell is #17. Columbia is #18. Duke is #10. They're not in the same league as us. Hopkins blows these guys out of the water plain and simple.

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Anonymous wrote:Hopkins. 61 , Vandy 39
Hopkins 65, UCLA 35
Hopkins 53, Wash U 47
Hopkins 68, Mich 32
Hopkins 80, Emory 20


Comes close to the lower Ivies, but can’t match them
Hopkins 49 Cornell 51

But as OP would probably admit, since JHU is ranked well above those schools, they aren’t the peers…right?

They aren’t going to beat out the Ivies, Stanford and MIT. Who does?

Well we already basically beat out Cornell, so all the Ivies can't be lumped together. And Duke beats out a ton of Ivies for cross-admits, so why can't we? We're ranked higher and we have better prestige than Duke.

Wait, are you talking about Hopkins? JHU undergrad is far less prestigious than Duke.

I'm talking about in general, including undergrad. For undergrad specifically, JHU is currently #7, tied with UPenn, on USNWR. Duke is #10.

Duke hasn't been ranked higher than Hopkins by USNWR, by far the most influential ranking source like it or not, since 2019 (which is a very long time for kids who are 16-18). Historically, I'd say you're probably right that Duke has been more prestigious name wise but the Hopkins association with the med school and hospital gives them something they may actually be the best at, which Duke doesn't have (Stanford and Harvard, for example, would be clearly better than Duke for undergrad and every major grad school). Both are great and elite overall but not in the very top group of universities.

Yes I'm agreeing with you, which is why I said JHU is #7 while Duke is #10 on USNWR which just further highlights JHU is in a different league than Duke. Finally someone else gets it, too many people on here are just ignoring the data.

GW man here again. It's clear you are insecure about Johns Hopkins and how it compares to the Ivy League, Stanford, and Duke for some reason, so let's put this to rest with some more "data." Before I provide the data, just a friendly reminder that none of what I'm about to share takes away from the fact that JHU is a fine institution and a great place for a kid to get an education. This is all stuff that could be found previously on here, but here we go:

Cross-Admit Data with Some of the Ivy League

Johns Hopkins 16% - Yale 84%
Johns Hopkins 19% - Columbia 81%
Johns Hopkins 41% - Dartmouth 59%
Johns Hopkins 49% - Cornell 51%

Cross-Admit Data with Some of the Top Non-Ivy League

Johns Hopkins 15% - Stanford 85%
Johns Hopkins 19% - Duke 81%
Johns Hopkins 31% - UChicago 69%
Johns Hopkins 35% - Northwestern 65%
Johns Hopkins 44% - Rice 56%
Johns Hopkins 53% - WashU 47%
Johns Hopkins 61% - Vanderbilt 39%

Now, since you love rankings so much, let's compare undergraduate rankings by the 5 most popular publications.

JHU College Rankings

USNWR: 7
WSJ/THE: 9
Forbes: 18
Niche: 21
Washington Monthly: 23

Cornell College Rankings (picking Cornell as the Ivy Representative because you seem to have the most problem with them)

USNWR: 17
WSJ/THE: 11
Forbes: 16
Niche: 23
Washington Monthly: 8

Duke College Rankings (picking Duke as the non-Ivy Representative because you seem to have the most problem with them)

USNWR: 10
WSJ/THE: 5
Forbes: 9
Niche: 8
Washington Monthly: 5

JHU and Cornell match up pretty well, which is what several people before were saying, but you still seem to think JHU has far surpassed Cornell. All the data shows they're quite neck-and-neck both in rankings and cross-admits. Duke, on the other hand, blows JHU (and Cornell) out of the water in cross-admits and rankings. Interestingly, USNWR is Hopkins' best ranking out of all of them, and it's Duke's worst. It's impressive to say the least that Duke is ranked #10 on USNWR, but as you keep looking at other rankings it gets better and better, meaning USNWR is actually probably lowballing Duke. Are we done now? JHU is still a great school but you reek of insecurity.

Nice compiling. My comment on Cornell's financial aid policy kind of makes the same point without all the numbers. If we felt Hopkins was so much better for undergrad than us as the PP keeps seeming to claim, we would match their financial aid offers but we don't. To summarize and remind: "Cornell is unable to consider evaluating scholarship offers that are not from another Ivy League institution, Stanford, Duke or MIT or offers based on athletics and/or merit. Of the students who said where they planned to enroll, they most often chose the Ivies, Stanford, Duke or MIT over Cornell, Keane said. Princeton and Harvard were each the choice of 7 percent of accepted students who declined Cornell; UPenn and MIT were each the choice of 5 percent; Duke and Yale were each the choice of 4 percent; and Columbia, Stanford and Dartmouth University were each the choice of 3 percent." No mention of Hopkins for the schools outside the Ivy League. I however, have no qualms conceding Stanford, Duke, and MIT are overall better undergraduate institutions than Cornell. I've come to accept that without much difficulty.

I don't care about Cornell's financial aid policy or who they lose students to. The truth is JHU is way past Cornell for undergrad: we're #7 on USNWR while Cornell is way back at #17 on USNWR. That makes Cornell more like a backup option to us instead of an actual peer.

JHU's undergraduate peers are Cornell, Dartmouth, Brown, UChicago, Northwestern, Vanderbilt, Rice, and WashU. That's the reality that most of the metrics point to, whether you like it or not. You're not quite at the level of Yale, Penn, Duke, Columbia - that's it's own grouping.

This is only the grouping of a foreigner (or someone who didn't go to college) who obsessively reads USNWR.

Here's a real ranking:

Tier 1 - Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford
Tier 1A - MIT and Caltech
Tier 2 - Columbia, Dartmouth, Brown, Duke, Northwestern, and begrudgingly Chicago
Tier 3 - Cornell, Penn, Hopkins, Vanderbilt, WUSTL, Rice, the good publics like Berkeley and UVA, the good Catholic schools like ND and Georgetown

For SLACs, it's Williams and Amherst, then Swarthmore and maybe Pomona, then everyone else.

I almost agreed with you…was skeptical about whether Vandy and Wash IlU belong there but then when I saw you include Notre Dame, you lost credibility. Im an Irish Catholic and even I don’t think ND is anywhere near on par with Cornell, Penn, Hopkins, Berkeley.

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Anonymous wrote:Hopkins. 61 , Vandy 39
Hopkins 65, UCLA 35
Hopkins 53, Wash U 47
Hopkins 68, Mich 32
Hopkins 80, Emory 20


Comes close to the lower Ivies, but can’t match them
Hopkins 49 Cornell 51

But as OP would probably admit, since JHU is ranked well above those schools, they aren’t the peers…right?

They aren’t going to beat out the Ivies, Stanford and MIT. Who does?

Well we already basically beat out Cornell, so all the Ivies can't be lumped together. And Duke beats out a ton of Ivies for cross-admits, so why can't we? We're ranked higher and we have better prestige than Duke.

Wait, are you talking about Hopkins? JHU undergrad is far less prestigious than Duke.

I'm talking about in general, including undergrad. For undergrad specifically, JHU is currently #7, tied with UPenn, on USNWR. Duke is #10.

Duke hasn't been ranked higher than Hopkins by USNWR, by far the most influential ranking source like it or not, since 2019 (which is a very long time for kids who are 16-18). Historically, I'd say you're probably right that Duke has been more prestigious name wise but the Hopkins association with the med school and hospital gives them something they may actually be the best at, which Duke doesn't have (Stanford and Harvard, for example, would be clearly better than Duke for undergrad and every major grad school). Both are great and elite overall but not in the very top group of universities.

Yes I'm agreeing with you, which is why I said JHU is #7 while Duke is #10 on USNWR which just further highlights JHU is in a different league than Duke. Finally someone else gets it, too many people on here are just ignoring the data.

GW man here again. It's clear you are insecure about Johns Hopkins and how it compares to the Ivy League, Stanford, and Duke for some reason, so let's put this to rest with some more "data." Before I provide the data, just a friendly reminder that none of what I'm about to share takes away from the fact that JHU is a fine institution and a great place for a kid to get an education. This is all stuff that could be found previously on here, but here we go:

Cross-Admit Data with Some of the Ivy League

Johns Hopkins 16% - Yale 84%
Johns Hopkins 19% - Columbia 81%
Johns Hopkins 41% - Dartmouth 59%
Johns Hopkins 49% - Cornell 51%

Cross-Admit Data with Some of the Top Non-Ivy League

Johns Hopkins 15% - Stanford 85%
Johns Hopkins 19% - Duke 81%
Johns Hopkins 31% - UChicago 69%
Johns Hopkins 35% - Northwestern 65%
Johns Hopkins 44% - Rice 56%
Johns Hopkins 53% - WashU 47%
Johns Hopkins 61% - Vanderbilt 39%

Now, since you love rankings so much, let's compare undergraduate rankings by the 5 most popular publications.

JHU College Rankings

USNWR: 7
WSJ/THE: 9
Forbes: 18
Niche: 21
Washington Monthly: 23

Cornell College Rankings (picking Cornell as the Ivy Representative because you seem to have the most problem with them)

USNWR: 17
WSJ/THE: 11
Forbes: 16
Niche: 23
Washington Monthly: 8

Duke College Rankings (picking Duke as the non-Ivy Representative because you seem to have the most problem with them)

USNWR: 10
WSJ/THE: 5
Forbes: 9
Niche: 8
Washington Monthly: 5

JHU and Cornell match up pretty well, which is what several people before were saying, but you still seem to think JHU has far surpassed Cornell. All the data shows they're quite neck-and-neck both in rankings and cross-admits. Duke, on the other hand, blows JHU (and Cornell) out of the water in cross-admits and rankings. Interestingly, USNWR is Hopkins' best ranking out of all of them, and it's Duke's worst. It's impressive to say the least that Duke is ranked #10 on USNWR, but as you keep looking at other rankings it gets better and better, meaning USNWR is actually probably lowballing Duke. Are we done now? JHU is still a great school but you reek of insecurity.

Nice compiling. My comment on Cornell's financial aid policy kind of makes the same point without all the numbers. If we felt Hopkins was so much better for undergrad than us as the PP keeps seeming to claim, we would match their financial aid offers but we don't. To summarize and remind: "Cornell is unable to consider evaluating scholarship offers that are not from another Ivy League institution, Stanford, Duke or MIT or offers based on athletics and/or merit. Of the students who said where they planned to enroll, they most often chose the Ivies, Stanford, Duke or MIT over Cornell, Keane said. Princeton and Harvard were each the choice of 7 percent of accepted students who declined Cornell; UPenn and MIT were each the choice of 5 percent; Duke and Yale were each the choice of 4 percent; and Columbia, Stanford and Dartmouth University were each the choice of 3 percent." No mention of Hopkins for the schools outside the Ivy League. I however, have no qualms conceding Stanford, Duke, and MIT are overall better undergraduate institutions than Cornell. I've come to accept that without much difficulty.

I don't care about Cornell's financial aid policy or who they lose students to. The truth is JHU is way past Cornell for undergrad: we're #7 on USNWR while Cornell is way back at #17 on USNWR. That makes Cornell more like a backup option to us instead of an actual peer.

JHU's undergraduate peers are Cornell, Dartmouth, Brown, UChicago, Northwestern, Vanderbilt, Rice, and WashU. That's the reality that most of the metrics point to, whether you like it or not. You're not quite at the level of Yale, Penn, Duke, Columbia - that's it's own grouping.

This is only the grouping of a foreigner (or someone who didn't go to college) who obsessively reads USNWR.

Here's a real ranking:

Tier 1 - Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford
Tier 1A - MIT and Caltech
Tier 2 - Columbia, Dartmouth, Brown, Duke, Northwestern, and begrudgingly Chicago
Tier 3 - Cornell, Penn, Hopkins, Vanderbilt, WUSTL, Rice, the good publics like Berkeley and UVA, the good Catholic schools like ND and Georgetown

For SLACs, it's Williams and Amherst, then Swarthmore and maybe Pomona, then everyone else.

Oh, can I play too? Can I pull a ranking out of my rear and claim it has some authority?

Williams, Amherst and Swarthmore are the only LACs to ever be #1 by USNWR and all for multiple years, so most would agree there. Swarthmore tends to win head to head against the other 2 (Parchment wise anyway when kids are looking at LACs) but that could be partially because its location is preferable to most. Wellesley is also great and is right there with Pomona (and has better national name recognition as one of the Seven Sisters too).

The east coast bias against Berkeley is striking. It really does get grouped with Stanford and Harvard on the west coast. Most people there wouldn't see UVA or Michigan as even close.

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Anonymous wrote:Hopkins. 61 , Vandy 39
Hopkins 65, UCLA 35
Hopkins 53, Wash U 47
Hopkins 68, Mich 32
Hopkins 80, Emory 20


Comes close to the lower Ivies, but can’t match them
Hopkins 49 Cornell 51

But as OP would probably admit, since JHU is ranked well above those schools, they aren’t the peers…right?

They aren’t going to beat out the Ivies, Stanford and MIT. Who does?

Well we already basically beat out Cornell, so all the Ivies can't be lumped together. And Duke beats out a ton of Ivies for cross-admits, so why can't we? We're ranked higher and we have better prestige than Duke.

Wait, are you talking about Hopkins? JHU undergrad is far less prestigious than Duke.

I'm talking about in general, including undergrad. For undergrad specifically, JHU is currently #7, tied with UPenn, on USNWR. Duke is #10.

Duke hasn't been ranked higher than Hopkins by USNWR, by far the most influential ranking source like it or not, since 2019 (which is a very long time for kids who are 16-18). Historically, I'd say you're probably right that Duke has been more prestigious name wise but the Hopkins association with the med school and hospital gives them something they may actually be the best at, which Duke doesn't have (Stanford and Harvard, for example, would be clearly better than Duke for undergrad and every major grad school). Both are great and elite overall but not in the very top group of universities.

Yes I'm agreeing with you, which is why I said JHU is #7 while Duke is #10 on USNWR which just further highlights JHU is in a different league than Duke. Finally someone else gets it, too many people on here are just ignoring the data.

GW man here again. It's clear you are insecure about Johns Hopkins and how it compares to the Ivy League, Stanford, and Duke for some reason, so let's put this to rest with some more "data." Before I provide the data, just a friendly reminder that none of what I'm about to share takes away from the fact that JHU is a fine institution and a great place for a kid to get an education. This is all stuff that could be found previously on here, but here we go:

Cross-Admit Data with Some of the Ivy League

Johns Hopkins 16% - Yale 84%
Johns Hopkins 19% - Columbia 81%
Johns Hopkins 41% - Dartmouth 59%
Johns Hopkins 49% - Cornell 51%

Cross-Admit Data with Some of the Top Non-Ivy League

Johns Hopkins 15% - Stanford 85%
Johns Hopkins 19% - Duke 81%
Johns Hopkins 31% - UChicago 69%
Johns Hopkins 35% - Northwestern 65%
Johns Hopkins 44% - Rice 56%
Johns Hopkins 53% - WashU 47%
Johns Hopkins 61% - Vanderbilt 39%

Now, since you love rankings so much, let's compare undergraduate rankings by the 5 most popular publications.

JHU College Rankings

USNWR: 7
WSJ/THE: 9
Forbes: 18
Niche: 21
Washington Monthly: 23

Cornell College Rankings (picking Cornell as the Ivy Representative because you seem to have the most problem with them)

USNWR: 17
WSJ/THE: 11
Forbes: 16
Niche: 23
Washington Monthly: 8

Duke College Rankings (picking Duke as the non-Ivy Representative because you seem to have the most problem with them)

USNWR: 10
WSJ/THE: 5
Forbes: 9
Niche: 8
Washington Monthly: 5

JHU and Cornell match up pretty well, which is what several people before were saying, but you still seem to think JHU has far surpassed Cornell. All the data shows they're quite neck-and-neck both in rankings and cross-admits. Duke, on the other hand, blows JHU (and Cornell) out of the water in cross-admits and rankings. Interestingly, USNWR is Hopkins' best ranking out of all of them, and it's Duke's worst. It's impressive to say the least that Duke is ranked #10 on USNWR, but as you keep looking at other rankings it gets better and better, meaning USNWR is actually probably lowballing Duke. Are we done now? JHU is still a great school but you reek of insecurity.

Nice compiling. My comment on Cornell's financial aid policy kind of makes the same point without all the numbers. If we felt Hopkins was so much better for undergrad than us as the PP keeps seeming to claim, we would match their financial aid offers but we don't. To summarize and remind: "Cornell is unable to consider evaluating scholarship offers that are not from another Ivy League institution, Stanford, Duke or MIT or offers based on athletics and/or merit. Of the students who said where they planned to enroll, they most often chose the Ivies, Stanford, Duke or MIT over Cornell, Keane said. Princeton and Harvard were each the choice of 7 percent of accepted students who declined Cornell; UPenn and MIT were each the choice of 5 percent; Duke and Yale were each the choice of 4 percent; and Columbia, Stanford and Dartmouth University were each the choice of 3 percent." No mention of Hopkins for the schools outside the Ivy League. I however, have no qualms conceding Stanford, Duke, and MIT are overall better undergraduate institutions than Cornell. I've come to accept that without much difficulty.

I don't care about Cornell's financial aid policy or who they lose students to. The truth is JHU is way past Cornell for undergrad: we're #7 on USNWR while Cornell is way back at #17 on USNWR. That makes Cornell more like a backup option to us instead of an actual peer.

JHU's undergraduate peers are Cornell, Dartmouth, Brown, UChicago, Northwestern, Vanderbilt, Rice, and WashU. That's the reality that most of the metrics point to, whether you like it or not. You're not quite at the level of Yale, Penn, Duke, Columbia - that's it's own grouping.

This is only the grouping of a foreigner (or someone who didn't go to college) who obsessively reads USNWR.

Here's a real ranking:

Tier 1 - Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford
Tier 1A - MIT and Caltech
Tier 2 - Columbia, Dartmouth, Brown, Duke, Northwestern, and begrudgingly Chicago
Tier 3 - Cornell, Penn, Hopkins, Vanderbilt, WUSTL, Rice, the good publics like Berkeley and UVA, the good Catholic schools like ND and Georgetown

For SLACs, it's Williams and Amherst, then Swarthmore and maybe Pomona, then everyone else.

Oh, can I play too? Can I pull a ranking out of my rear and claim it has some authority?

Williams, Amherst and Swarthmore are the only LACs to ever be #1 by USNWR and all for multiple years, so most would agree there. Swarthmore tends to win head to head against the other 2 (Parchment wise anyway when kids are looking at LACs) but that could be partially because its location is preferable to most. Wellesley is also great and is right there with Pomona (and has better national name recognition as one of the Seven Sisters too).

The east coast bias against Berkeley is striking. It really does get grouped with Stanford and Harvard on the west coast. Most people there wouldn't see UVA or Michigan as even close.

It was actually good to include the LACs for this thread. For D3 athletes, Hopkins recruits quite a bit against Swarthmore and Haverford (they are in the same conference for most sports) as well as MIT, Chicago, WashU, CMU, Emory, and Williams and Amherst from the NESCAC.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you have data on JHU against the top 12 universities?

No but earlier there was a pretty good representative sample:

Cross-Admit Data with Some of the Ivy League

Johns Hopkins 16% - Yale 84%
Johns Hopkins 19% - Columbia 81%
Johns Hopkins 41% - Dartmouth 59%
Johns Hopkins 49% - Cornell 51%

Cross-Admit Data with Some of the Top Non-Ivy League

Johns Hopkins 15% - Stanford 85%
Johns Hopkins 19% - Duke 81%
Johns Hopkins 31% - UChicago 69%
Johns Hopkins 35% - Northwestern 65%
Johns Hopkins 44% - Rice 56%
Johns Hopkins 53% - WashU 47%
Johns Hopkins 61% - Vanderbilt 39%

It's funny how Hopkins really struggles to attract students from several of the schools that the Hopkins-loving PP says are "not in the same league" and way below Hopkins.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you have data on JHU against the top 12 universities?

No but earlier there was a pretty good representative sample:

Cross-Admit Data with Some of the Ivy League

Johns Hopkins 16% - Yale 84%
Johns Hopkins 19% - Columbia 81%
Johns Hopkins 41% - Dartmouth 59%
Johns Hopkins 49% - Cornell 51%

Cross-Admit Data with Some of the Top Non-Ivy League

Johns Hopkins 15% - Stanford 85%
Johns Hopkins 19% - Duke 81%
Johns Hopkins 31% - UChicago 69%
Johns Hopkins 35% - Northwestern 65%
Johns Hopkins 44% - Rice 56%
Johns Hopkins 53% - WashU 47%
Johns Hopkins 61% - Vanderbilt 39%

It's funny how Hopkins really struggles to attract students from several of the schools that the Hopkins-loving PP says are "not in the same league" and way below Hopkins.

Wow, Hopkins gets wrecked by Yale, Columbia, Stanford, and Duke for cross-admits. They do surprisingly well against Dartmouth though, that's pretty cool.

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Anonymous wrote:Hopkins. 61 , Vandy 39
Hopkins 65, UCLA 35
Hopkins 53, Wash U 47
Hopkins 68, Mich 32
Hopkins 80, Emory 20


Comes close to the lower Ivies, but can’t match them
Hopkins 49 Cornell 51

But as OP would probably admit, since JHU is ranked well above those schools, they aren’t the peers…right?

They aren’t going to beat out the Ivies, Stanford and MIT. Who does?

Well we already basically beat out Cornell, so all the Ivies can't be lumped together. And Duke beats out a ton of Ivies for cross-admits, so why can't we? We're ranked higher and we have better prestige than Duke.

Wait, are you talking about Hopkins? JHU undergrad is far less prestigious than Duke.

I'm talking about in general, including undergrad. For undergrad specifically, JHU is currently #7, tied with UPenn, on USNWR. Duke is #10.

Duke hasn't been ranked higher than Hopkins by USNWR, by far the most influential ranking source like it or not, since 2019 (which is a very long time for kids who are 16-18). Historically, I'd say you're probably right that Duke has been more prestigious name wise but the Hopkins association with the med school and hospital gives them something they may actually be the best at, which Duke doesn't have (Stanford and Harvard, for example, would be clearly better than Duke for undergrad and every major grad school). Both are great and elite overall but not in the very top group of universities.

Yes I'm agreeing with you, which is why I said JHU is #7 while Duke is #10 on USNWR which just further highlights JHU is in a different league than Duke. Finally someone else gets it, too many people on here are just ignoring the data.

GW man here again. It's clear you are insecure about Johns Hopkins and how it compares to the Ivy League, Stanford, and Duke for some reason, so let's put this to rest with some more "data." Before I provide the data, just a friendly reminder that none of what I'm about to share takes away from the fact that JHU is a fine institution and a great place for a kid to get an education. This is all stuff that could be found previously on here, but here we go:

Cross-Admit Data with Some of the Ivy League

Johns Hopkins 16% - Yale 84%
Johns Hopkins 19% - Columbia 81%
Johns Hopkins 41% - Dartmouth 59%
Johns Hopkins 49% - Cornell 51%

Cross-Admit Data with Some of the Top Non-Ivy League

Johns Hopkins 15% - Stanford 85%
Johns Hopkins 19% - Duke 81%
Johns Hopkins 31% - UChicago 69%
Johns Hopkins 35% - Northwestern 65%
Johns Hopkins 44% - Rice 56%
Johns Hopkins 53% - WashU 47%
Johns Hopkins 61% - Vanderbilt 39%

Now, since you love rankings so much, let's compare undergraduate rankings by the 5 most popular publications.

JHU College Rankings

USNWR: 7
WSJ/THE: 9
Forbes: 18
Niche: 21
Washington Monthly: 23

Cornell College Rankings (picking Cornell as the Ivy Representative because you seem to have the most problem with them)

USNWR: 17
WSJ/THE: 11
Forbes: 16
Niche: 23
Washington Monthly: 8

Duke College Rankings (picking Duke as the non-Ivy Representative because you seem to have the most problem with them)

USNWR: 10
WSJ/THE: 5
Forbes: 9
Niche: 8
Washington Monthly: 5

JHU and Cornell match up pretty well, which is what several people before were saying, but you still seem to think JHU has far surpassed Cornell. All the data shows they're quite neck-and-neck both in rankings and cross-admits. Duke, on the other hand, blows JHU (and Cornell) out of the water in cross-admits and rankings. Interestingly, USNWR is Hopkins' best ranking out of all of them, and it's Duke's worst. It's impressive to say the least that Duke is ranked #10 on USNWR, but as you keep looking at other rankings it gets better and better, meaning USNWR is actually probably lowballing Duke. Are we done now? JHU is still a great school but you reek of insecurity.

Nice compiling. My comment on Cornell's financial aid policy kind of makes the same point without all the numbers. If we felt Hopkins was so much better for undergrad than us as the PP keeps seeming to claim, we would match their financial aid offers but we don't. To summarize and remind: "Cornell is unable to consider evaluating scholarship offers that are not from another Ivy League institution, Stanford, Duke or MIT or offers based on athletics and/or merit. Of the students who said where they planned to enroll, they most often chose the Ivies, Stanford, Duke or MIT over Cornell, Keane said. Princeton and Harvard were each the choice of 7 percent of accepted students who declined Cornell; UPenn and MIT were each the choice of 5 percent; Duke and Yale were each the choice of 4 percent; and Columbia, Stanford and Dartmouth University were each the choice of 3 percent." No mention of Hopkins for the schools outside the Ivy League. I however, have no qualms conceding Stanford, Duke, and MIT are overall better undergraduate institutions than Cornell. I've come to accept that without much difficulty.

I don't care about Cornell's financial aid policy or who they lose students to. The truth is JHU is way past Cornell for undergrad: we're #7 on USNWR while Cornell is way back at #17 on USNWR. That makes Cornell more like a backup option to us instead of an actual peer.

JHU's undergraduate peers are Cornell, Dartmouth, Brown, UChicago, Northwestern, Vanderbilt, Rice, and WashU. That's the reality that most of the metrics point to, whether you like it or not. You're not quite at the level of Yale, Penn, Duke, Columbia - that's it's own grouping.

This is only the grouping of a foreigner (or someone who didn't go to college) who obsessively reads USNWR.

Here's a real ranking:

Tier 1 - Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford
Tier 1A - MIT and Caltech
Tier 2 - Columbia, Dartmouth, Brown, Duke, Northwestern, and begrudgingly Chicago
Tier 3 - Cornell, Penn, Hopkins, Vanderbilt, WUSTL, Rice, the good publics like Berkeley and UVA, the good Catholic schools like ND and Georgetown

For SLACs, it's Williams and Amherst, then Swarthmore and maybe Pomona, then everyone else.

Oh, can I play too? Can I pull a ranking out of my rear and claim it has some authority?

Williams, Amherst and Swarthmore are the only LACs to ever be #1 by USNWR and all for multiple years, so most would agree there. Swarthmore tends to win head to head against the other 2 (Parchment wise anyway when kids are looking at LACs) but that could be partially because its location is preferable to most. Wellesley is also great and is right there with Pomona (and has better national name recognition as one of the Seven Sisters too).

The east coast bias against Berkeley is striking. It really does get grouped with Stanford and Harvard on the west coast. Most people there wouldn't see UVA or Michigan as even close.

It was actually good to include the LACs for this thread. For D3 athletes, Hopkins recruits quite a bit against Swarthmore and Haverford (they are in the same conference for most sports) as well as MIT, Chicago, WashU, CMU, Emory, and Williams and Amherst from the NESCAC.

So strange that a lacrosse player's final two might be Hopkins and Duke or Georgetown while a basketball player's top two might be Hopkins and Amherst or Swarthmore.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you have data on JHU against the top 12 universities?

No but earlier there was a pretty good representative sample:

Cross-Admit Data with Some of the Ivy League

Johns Hopkins 16% - Yale 84%
Johns Hopkins 19% - Columbia 81%
Johns Hopkins 41% - Dartmouth 59%
Johns Hopkins 49% - Cornell 51%

Cross-Admit Data with Some of the Top Non-Ivy League

Johns Hopkins 15% - Stanford 85%
Johns Hopkins 19% - Duke 81%
Johns Hopkins 31% - UChicago 69%
Johns Hopkins 35% - Northwestern 65%
Johns Hopkins 44% - Rice 56%
Johns Hopkins 53% - WashU 47%
Johns Hopkins 61% - Vanderbilt 39%

It's funny how Hopkins really struggles to attract students from several of the schools that the Hopkins-loving PP says are "not in the same league" and way below Hopkins.

Wow, Hopkins gets wrecked by Yale, Columbia, Stanford, and Duke for cross-admits. They do surprisingly well against Dartmouth though, that's pretty cool.

Do the cross-admit numbers really matter much anymore philosophically? Especially with how widely applicants and schools use ED and REA and how some schools use the WL to distort yield numbers and the selectivity landscape. With the large number of highly qualified applicants for these limited spots, schools can pick and choose what they want to focus on admit wise and many of their admits are no longer applying or getting admitted elsewhere at all. Cross-admit data would have been much more telling in the 90s. It also says nothing about who is getting what scholarship and aid packages from the schools listed (or this list doesn't anyway).

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Anonymous wrote:JHU is only prestigious for med, that’s why. It’s basically a huge hospital that happens to have a university attached to it.

You really don’t know WTF you’re talking about. P

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I think the answer is pretty clear. For most 18 or 19 year old students Hopkins has very little to draw them in. If you are comparing schools within the top 20, or within 5 to 7 rankings of each other, I see no real difference in academics. Personally, I love the atmosphere of some of the other campuses far more than Hopkins. Well many will say it doesn’t matter, to many students and their families, there are many aspects to finding the right program AND fit for students.

Personally, if Hopkins had a better basketball team, they would compete better. Sad, but true.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you have data on JHU against the top 12 universities?

No but earlier there was a pretty good representative sample:

Cross-Admit Data with Some of the Ivy League

Johns Hopkins 16% - Yale 84%
Johns Hopkins 19% - Columbia 81%
Johns Hopkins 41% - Dartmouth 59%
Johns Hopkins 49% - Cornell 51%

Cross-Admit Data with Some of the Top Non-Ivy League

Johns Hopkins 15% - Stanford 85%
Johns Hopkins 19% - Duke 81%
Johns Hopkins 31% - UChicago 69%
Johns Hopkins 35% - Northwestern 65%
Johns Hopkins 44% - Rice 56%
Johns Hopkins 53% - WashU 47%
Johns Hopkins 61% - Vanderbilt 39%

It's funny how Hopkins really struggles to attract students from several of the schools that the Hopkins-loving PP says are "not in the same league" and way below Hopkins.

This is not data, it is an unverified survey from a website a 12th grader allegedly goes back to and fills out after making their final college selection. It’s pure malarkey.