School vouchers in Virginia?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It would get hold fcps accountable

Right. Accountable for all the neediest special education children, and ESL/immigrant parents who don’t know how to get a voucher or are afraid of ICE.

No it would not hold FCPS accountable, it would be a drain of money, and talent for the system. It would also take away community schools and encourage use of personal vehicles to transport children or longer bus routes for all these “private” schools. All to allow you and people like you to continue to feel superior and have a safe place to vent your anger.

It would hold FCPS accountable.

The PP cares nothing about what is best for children - especially children from needy families.

PP simply regurgitates deceptions from the teacher’s unions, who do not represent your children’s interests.

The local unions kept immunized teachers out of schools while your kids suffered in front of screens during the pandemic.

The teachers unions protect bad teachers; they nearly withheld their endorsement of Clinton over a plan to require teacher competency checks.

Look, I don’t need a voucher; I can afford private for my kids. I still support vouchers, as a remedy for failing public schools.

Take a closer look at who opposes vouchers: it is the unions, who are addicted to the money they coerce from members. They insist on denying needy kids any way out of the failing schools they profit from.

VA public schools have what ranking in the US?

Betsey Devos model will destroy VA schools and Youngkin and her will fatten their pockets.

VA voted in crap and will now dumb down it's population.

The public schools are not the problem the liars like Youngkin and the Repuke party are.

[Anonymous]

This is the stupidist idea ever.

Hello Christian Nationalism and bye good schools.

Youngkin the resident liar will create schools to make the population dumber than who voted him in.

Look at Alabama, MO, Mississippi, Oklahoma, and Florida, all read states have crappy schools you will too.

VA voted in the guy that doesn't trust the schools for his own kids they go to school in MD VAXED AND MASKED! HUM....

[Anonymous]

Op here (I identify myself, the rest are not my posts). My school is failing and it’s easy to see. It scores 1/10 on great schools and is a title one school. Kids are behind in every metric. Only white and Asian kids test average, which just shows that their parents are tutoring or hiring tutors. The parents who can’t afford otherwise are completely left behind. Most of the kids in our 2nd grade classroom cannot read and it’s dragging the whole class down.

I’m not sure how you could call a school like this anything but failing?

Yes I could afford to move but why should I have to? I love our house, neighborhood, short commute and I pay a lot in property taxes. If you can’t afford to move, then you’re just sh!t out of luck? Where are the hood magnet and charter schools? Or even special programs within schools?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Op here (I identify myself, the rest are not my posts). My school is failing and it’s easy to see. It scores 1/10 on great schools and is a title one school. Kids are behind in every metric. Only white and Asian kids test average, which just shows that their parents are tutoring or hiring tutors. The parents who can’t afford otherwise are completely left behind. Most of the kids in our 2nd grade classroom cannot read and it’s dragging the whole class down.

I’m not sure how you could call a school like this anything but failing?

Yes I could afford to move but why should I have to? I love our house, neighborhood, short commute and I pay a lot in property taxes. If you can’t afford to move, then you’re just sh!t out of luck? Where are the hood magnet and charter schools? Or even special programs within schools?

NP. DCUM hates this response, but schools like this are why the AAP program is going nowhere. The students who are testing above grade level have an "out" by 3rd grade, including the URM students. A lot of families will suck it up until then because they know they can get their kids into classes where most of the students are not below grade level. Keeping these programs allows FCPS to placate the families who would otherwise be out of there. FCPS does high school really well. The students who are behind (for whatever reason) in 7th grade do not share classrooms with the students who are on the AP/IB/Honors track except for PE and maybe electives by the time they're in middle school and certainty not when they're in high school.

[Anonymous]

This is my first post in this thread.

Anyone pondering whether taxes paying for vouchers is a good thing should do a deep dive into why the politicians who push the hardest for this are extreme right. Look up 7 Mountains, Christian dominionism, New Apostolic Reformation, Hillsdale College 1776 curriculum, and Hillsdale charter schools. There is a large, organized effort to transform the US from a democracy into a “Christian republic.” One of the “7 mountains” that is included in this vision is schools. Hillsdale College produces the K-12 curriculum that right wingers like Ron DeSantis and Bill Lee have implemented (or are pushing to implement) in public schools and also operates Hillsdale charter schools, which vouchers can fund. Even if the 1776 curriculum is not expressly religious it is designed to teach the right wing ideals that dovetail with Dominionism. Perhaps you’ve heard Glenn Younkin and others slobbering over what DeSantis is doing with FL schools. This is what he wants for VA. Even if VA residents are engaged enough to object to Hillsdale, he will do whatever he can to erode that church/state wall with similar alternatives.

You have perhaps heard people like Marg Taylor Greene insist that “we are a republic, not a democracy.” That is a deliberate attempt by this religious movement to weaken Americans’ perception that we are, in fact, a democracy. The newly minted governor of (I think OK but I could be wrong) gave a public prayer/speech claiming the state as God’s dominion just a day or two ago. That wasn’t idle talk; it is the language of Christian Dominionism/7 mountains.

These things are all tied together, and unless you are on board with Christian nationalists getting their tentacles deep into the state part of church and state, you should not support vouchers.

For those interested in reading more, one journalist who has done extensive write ups on this religious movement is Jenny Cohn Of Bucks County Beacon in Pennsylvania (Mastriano is one of the biggest proponents of Dominionism).
https://buckscountybeacon.com/2022/08/underreported-and-massive-theocratic-movement-joins-forces-with-michael-flynn-and-roger-stone/

Here is some coverage of the controversy surrounding Hillsdale.
http://tnedreport.com/tag/hillsdale-charters/

[Anonymous]

School vouchers is the debbil.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It would get hold fcps accountable

Right. Accountable for all the neediest special education children, and ESL/immigrant parents who don’t know how to get a voucher or are afraid of ICE.

No it would not hold FCPS accountable, it would be a drain of money, and talent for the system. It would also take away community schools and encourage use of personal vehicles to transport children or longer bus routes for all these “private” schools. All to allow you and people like you to continue to feel superior and have a safe place to vent your anger.

It would hold FCPS accountable.

The PP cares nothing about what is best for children - especially children from needy families.

PP simply regurgitates deceptions from the teacher’s unions, who do not represent your children’s interests.

The local unions kept immunized teachers out of schools while your kids suffered in front of screens during the pandemic.

The teachers unions protect bad teachers; they nearly withheld their endorsement of Clinton over a plan to require teacher competency checks.

Look, I don’t need a voucher; I can afford private for my kids. I still support vouchers, as a remedy for failing public schools.

Take a closer look at who opposes vouchers: it is the unions, who are addicted to the money they coerce from members. They insist on denying needy kids any way out of the failing schools they profit from.

VA public schools have what ranking in the US?

Betsey Devos model will destroy VA schools and Youngkin and her will fatten their pockets.

VA voted in crap and will now dumb down it's population.

The public schools are not the problem the liars like Youngkin and the Repuke party are.

OMG - you cant be this clueless.

It is not the Republicans who come up with ideas to dumb-down public education.

Take this dumbo-crat idea, for example:


https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2022/10/23/dc-schools-grading-policy-50-percent-rule/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is my first post in this thread.

Anyone pondering whether taxes paying for vouchers is a good thing should do a deep dive into why the politicians who push the hardest for this are extreme right. Look up 7 Mountains, Christian dominionism, New Apostolic Reformation, Hillsdale College 1776 curriculum, and Hillsdale charter schools. There is a large, organized effort to transform the US from a democracy into a “Christian republic.” One of the “7 mountains” that is included in this vision is schools. Hillsdale College produces the K-12 curriculum that right wingers like Ron DeSantis and Bill Lee have implemented (or are pushing to implement) in public schools and also operates Hillsdale charter schools, which vouchers can fund. Even if the 1776 curriculum is not expressly religious it is designed to teach the right wing ideals that dovetail with Dominionism. Perhaps you’ve heard Glenn Younkin and others slobbering over what DeSantis is doing with FL schools. This is what he wants for VA. Even if VA residents are engaged enough to object to Hillsdale, he will do whatever he can to erode that church/state wall with similar alternatives.

You have perhaps heard people like Marg Taylor Greene insist that “we are a republic, not a democracy.” That is a deliberate attempt by this religious movement to weaken Americans’ perception that we are, in fact, a democracy. The newly minted governor of (I think OK but I could be wrong) gave a public prayer/speech claiming the state as God’s dominion just a day or two ago. That wasn’t idle talk; it is the language of Christian Dominionism/7 mountains.

These things are all tied together, and unless you are on board with Christian nationalists getting their tentacles deep into the state part of church and state, you should not support vouchers.

For those interested in reading more, one journalist who has done extensive write ups on this religious movement is Jenny Cohn Of Bucks County Beacon in Pennsylvania (Mastriano is one of the biggest proponents of Dominionism).
https://buckscountybeacon.com/2022/08/underreported-and-massive-theocratic-movement-joins-forces-with-michael-flynn-and-roger-stone/

Here is some coverage of the controversy surrounding Hillsdale.
http://tnedreport.com/tag/hillsdale-charters/

American Taliban wants to take over our schools.

[Anonymous]

PP: you need to face up to the fact that failing public schools are all in solid blue cities and districts. And you have no solution or answer to correct the problem.

We can either let you plod along, failing generation after generation of poor, mostly minority kids, and dooming them to failure or,

- we can give an honest try to a program that has succeeded elsewhere.

[Anonymous]

Where has it succeeded elsewhere?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It would get hold fcps accountable

Right. Accountable for all the neediest special education children, and ESL/immigrant parents who don’t know how to get a voucher or are afraid of ICE.

No it would not hold FCPS accountable, it would be a drain of money, and talent for the system. It would also take away community schools and encourage use of personal vehicles to transport children or longer bus routes for all these “private” schools. All to allow you and people like you to continue to feel superior and have a safe place to vent your anger.

It would hold FCPS accountable.

The PP cares nothing about what is best for children - especially children from needy families.

PP simply regurgitates deceptions from the teacher’s unions, who do not represent your children’s interests.

The local unions kept immunized teachers out of schools while your kids suffered in front of screens during the pandemic.

The teachers unions protect bad teachers; they nearly withheld their endorsement of Clinton over a plan to require teacher competency checks.

Look, I don’t need a voucher; I can afford private for my kids. I still support vouchers, as a remedy for failing public schools.

Take a closer look at who opposes vouchers: it is the unions, who are addicted to the money they coerce from members. They insist on denying needy kids any way out of the failing schools they profit from.

VA public schools have what ranking in the US?

Betsey Devos model will destroy VA schools and Youngkin and her will fatten their pockets.

VA voted in crap and will now dumb down it's population.

The public schools are not the problem the liars like Youngkin and the Repuke party are.

Former VP Candidate Joe Lieberman supports vouchers.

Is he part of this “Repuke party” you mentioned? Is he part of the “American taliban” as you put it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It would get hold fcps accountable

Right. Accountable for all the neediest special education children, and ESL/immigrant parents who don’t know how to get a voucher or are afraid of ICE.

No it would not hold FCPS accountable, it would be a drain of money, and talent for the system. It would also take away community schools and encourage use of personal vehicles to transport children or longer bus routes for all these “private” schools. All to allow you and people like you to continue to feel superior and have a safe place to vent your anger.

It would hold FCPS accountable.

The PP cares nothing about what is best for children - especially children from needy families.

PP simply regurgitates deceptions from the teacher’s unions, who do not represent your children’s interests.

The local unions kept immunized teachers out of schools while your kids suffered in front of screens during the pandemic.

The teachers unions protect bad teachers; they nearly withheld their endorsement of Clinton over a plan to require teacher competency checks.

Look, I don’t need a voucher; I can afford private for my kids. I still support vouchers, as a remedy for failing public schools.

Take a closer look at who opposes vouchers: it is the unions, who are addicted to the money they coerce from members. They insist on denying needy kids any way out of the failing schools they profit from.

VA public schools have what ranking in the US?

Betsey Devos model will destroy VA schools and Youngkin and her will fatten their pockets.

VA voted in crap and will now dumb down it's population.

The public schools are not the problem the liars like Youngkin and the Repuke party are.

Former VP Candidate Joe Lieberman supports vouchers.

Is he part of this “Repuke party” you mentioned? Is he part of the “American taliban” as you put it?

Lieberman is hardly the only democrat who supports vouchers. The issue is a lot more purple than many realize.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It would get hold fcps accountable

Right. Accountable for all the neediest special education children, and ESL/immigrant parents who don’t know how to get a voucher or are afraid of ICE.

No it would not hold FCPS accountable, it would be a drain of money, and talent for the system. It would also take away community schools and encourage use of personal vehicles to transport children or longer bus routes for all these “private” schools. All to allow you and people like you to continue to feel superior and have a safe place to vent your anger.

It would hold FCPS accountable.

The PP cares nothing about what is best for children - especially children from needy families.

PP simply regurgitates deceptions from the teacher’s unions, who do not represent your children’s interests.

The local unions kept immunized teachers out of schools while your kids suffered in front of screens during the pandemic.

The teachers unions protect bad teachers; they nearly withheld their endorsement of Clinton over a plan to require teacher competency checks.

Look, I don’t need a voucher; I can afford private for my kids. I still support vouchers, as a remedy for failing public schools.

Take a closer look at who opposes vouchers: it is the unions, who are addicted to the money they coerce from members. They insist on denying needy kids any way out of the failing schools they profit from.

VA public schools have what ranking in the US?

Betsey Devos model will destroy VA schools and Youngkin and her will fatten their pockets.

VA voted in crap and will now dumb down it's population.

The public schools are not the problem the liars like Youngkin and the Repuke party are.

Former VP Candidate Joe Lieberman supports vouchers.

Is he part of this “Repuke party” you mentioned? Is he part of the “American taliban” as you put it?

Lieberman is hardly the only democrat who supports vouchers. The issue is a lot more purple than many realize.

Traditionally, vouchers have been backed by Republican lawmakers as part of a robust school choice platform. Meanwhile, teachers unions – a traditional ally of Democrats – have blasted voucher policies as undermining public education by diverting funding away from traditional public schools.

“There is an interesting twist to this,” Peterson added, noting that if the word “voucher” was swapped out for “tax credit” – a similar school choice policy that allows parents to use federal or public funding to help send their children to private schools – more people are supportive of the concept, 65 percent, and that support has been relatively constant for the last few years.



https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-08-23/surprise-democrats-also-support-school-vouchers

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It would get hold fcps accountable

Right. Accountable for all the neediest special education children, and ESL/immigrant parents who don’t know how to get a voucher or are afraid of ICE.

No it would not hold FCPS accountable, it would be a drain of money, and talent for the system. It would also take away community schools and encourage use of personal vehicles to transport children or longer bus routes for all these “private” schools. All to allow you and people like you to continue to feel superior and have a safe place to vent your anger.

It would hold FCPS accountable.

The PP cares nothing about what is best for children - especially children from needy families.

PP simply regurgitates deceptions from the teacher’s unions, who do not represent your children’s interests.

The local unions kept immunized teachers out of schools while your kids suffered in front of screens during the pandemic.

The teachers unions protect bad teachers; they nearly withheld their endorsement of Clinton over a plan to require teacher competency checks.

Look, I don’t need a voucher; I can afford private for my kids. I still support vouchers, as a remedy for failing public schools.

Take a closer look at who opposes vouchers: it is the unions, who are addicted to the money they coerce from members. They insist on denying needy kids any way out of the failing schools they profit from.

VA public schools have what ranking in the US?

Betsey Devos model will destroy VA schools and Youngkin and her will fatten their pockets.

VA voted in crap and will now dumb down it's population.

The public schools are not the problem the liars like Youngkin and the Repuke party are.

Former VP Candidate Joe Lieberman supports vouchers.

Is he part of this “Repuke party” you mentioned? Is he part of the “American taliban” as you put it?

He’s an independent.

The religious extremists in the GOP are the American Taliban.

They want to force their extremist religious beliefs on everyone else. They even support violent overthrows.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It would get hold fcps accountable

Right. Accountable for all the neediest special education children, and ESL/immigrant parents who don’t know how to get a voucher or are afraid of ICE.

No it would not hold FCPS accountable, it would be a drain of money, and talent for the system. It would also take away community schools and encourage use of personal vehicles to transport children or longer bus routes for all these “private” schools. All to allow you and people like you to continue to feel superior and have a safe place to vent your anger.

It would hold FCPS accountable.

The PP cares nothing about what is best for children - especially children from needy families.

PP simply regurgitates deceptions from the teacher’s unions, who do not represent your children’s interests.

The local unions kept immunized teachers out of schools while your kids suffered in front of screens during the pandemic.

The teachers unions protect bad teachers; they nearly withheld their endorsement of Clinton over a plan to require teacher competency checks.

Look, I don’t need a voucher; I can afford private for my kids. I still support vouchers, as a remedy for failing public schools.

Take a closer look at who opposes vouchers: it is the unions, who are addicted to the money they coerce from members. They insist on denying needy kids any way out of the failing schools they profit from.

VA public schools have what ranking in the US?

Betsey Devos model will destroy VA schools and Youngkin and her will fatten their pockets.

VA voted in crap and will now dumb down it's population.

The public schools are not the problem the liars like Youngkin and the Repuke party are.

Former VP Candidate Joe Lieberman supports vouchers.

Is he part of this “Repuke party” you mentioned? Is he part of the “American taliban” as you put it?

Lieberman is hardly the only democrat who supports vouchers. The issue is a lot more purple than many realize.

Traditionally, vouchers have been backed by Republican lawmakers as part of a robust school choice platform. Meanwhile, teachers unions – a traditional ally of Democrats – have blasted voucher policies as undermining public education by diverting funding away from traditional public schools.

“There is an interesting twist to this,” Peterson added, noting that if the word “voucher” was swapped out for “tax credit” – a similar school choice policy that allows parents to use federal or public funding to help send their children to private schools – more people are supportive of the concept, 65 percent, and that support has been relatively constant for the last few years.

https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-08-23/surprise-democrats-also-support-school-vouchers

Which is true…for any method you use to divert funds.