School vouchers in Virginia?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
Citation for that? How did that work out in IN and MI? Oh right. Most of the kids who received vouchers were already attending private schools.

BS Republican lies.

Ron DeSantis got nearly 20% of black women voting for him because of their support for school vouchers.

It certainly is not wealthy white kids who will apply for vouchers. Think about that.

Which party values underprivileged kids’ education, and which party is in the pocket of the teachers union?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Citation for that? How did that work out in IN and MI? Oh right. Most of the kids who received vouchers were already attending private schools.

BS Republican lies.

Ron DeSantis got nearly 20% of black women voting for him because of their support for school vouchers.

It certainly is not wealthy white kids who will apply for vouchers. Think about that.

Which party values underprivileged kids’ education, and which party is in the pocket of the teachers union?

lol, sure when I think of states that value underprivelaged kids' education, red states are the first thing that comes to mind

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Vouchers will defund our public schools and subsidize private school tuition primarily for kids already in private school. Look at what happened in IN and MI.

Public schools with be left with less money to meet the needs of the kids who won't get a seat at private school and/or can't afford it - often the neediest kids.

It is the neediest kids who benefit most from vouchers.

Wrong. It is the upper middle class who would normally have to stretch to make private school tuition, but might not that benefit the most. School vouchers bridge between what they can afford and what the schools are charging.

The majority of the neediest have to be extremely bright to qualify for the need-based assistance that will bridge the gap between voucher and tuition. The UMC kids will have both the best and the near best kids that will bridge the gap. Many more UMC kids benefit from the vouchers than the neediest.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Vouchers will defund our public schools and subsidize private school tuition primarily for kids already in private school. Look at what happened in IN and MI.

Public schools with be left with less money to meet the needs of the kids who won't get a seat at private school and/or can't afford it - often the neediest kids.

It is the neediest kids who benefit most from vouchers.

Wrong. It is the upper middle class who would normally have to stretch to make private school tuition, but might not that benefit the most. School vouchers bridge between what they can afford and what the schools are charging.

The majority of the neediest have to be extremely bright to qualify for the need-based assistance that will bridge the gap between voucher and tuition. The UMC kids will have both the best and the near best kids that will bridge the gap. Many more UMC kids benefit from the vouchers than the neediest.

This is not true.

It is a LWNJ talking point created by the teachers unions and their strategists.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Vouchers will defund our public schools and subsidize private school tuition primarily for kids already in private school. Look at what happened in IN and MI.

Public schools with be left with less money to meet the needs of the kids who won't get a seat at private school and/or can't afford it - often the neediest kids.

It is the neediest kids who benefit most from vouchers.

Wrong. It is the upper middle class who would normally have to stretch to make private school tuition, but might not that benefit the most. School vouchers bridge between what they can afford and what the schools are charging.

The majority of the neediest have to be extremely bright to qualify for the need-based assistance that will bridge the gap between voucher and tuition. The UMC kids will have both the best and the near best kids that will bridge the gap. Many more UMC kids benefit from the vouchers than the neediest.

This is not true.

It is a LWNJ talking point created by the teachers unions and their strategists.

Can you give us examples of states where vouchers work? How much would a voucher in Virginia cover? Can you give examples of the schools that would pay for?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Citation for that? How did that work out in IN and MI? Oh right. Most of the kids who received vouchers were already attending private schools.

BS Republican lies.

Ron DeSantis got nearly 20% of black women voting for him because of their support for school vouchers.

It certainly is not wealthy white kids who will apply for vouchers. Think about that.

Which party values underprivileged kids’ education, and which party is in the pocket of the teachers union?

Bullcrappy. Go look at states that have implemented vouchers. Again, most of the kids who received vouchers were already attending private schools.

Who do I hear complaining about school funding? Rich, write people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Has there ever been any real discussion of vouchers in Virginia? Or even charter schools? Or magnet schools? I came from a state that had so many choices- IB (which I do see here in Virginia), arts magnets, math magnets, language immersion.

It would be a great way to destroy the quality of public schools but if you're just looking for a break on your private's annual bill and don't care about society sure...

[Anonymous]

OP here. This is my first time coming back and I didn't expect this to get off track. I'm not a right wing crazy or anything like that. I'm in a failing, title one school and am interested in other options. I went to public schools and am more interested in magnets than private schools. It just feels like our public schools are very poor quality here. My school in particular has no after school clubs, no language at all and no differentiation in reading or math. Kindergarten has really been eye opening and just a really bad experience. We went to a mediocre Pre-K and it was 100x better than public K.

My neighbors are fleeing our local school en masse and I think magnets would mean that they wouldn't move. I know in DC, school choice has let people stay in DC when before they would have gone to the suburbs.

And yes, a 10k voucher would be lifechanging for most people. A great private in my county is 15k, but there are Catholics that are under 10k.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP here. This is my first time coming back and I didn't expect this to get off track. I'm not a right wing crazy or anything like that. I'm in a failing, title one school and am interested in other options. I went to public schools and am more interested in magnets than private schools. It just feels like our public schools are very poor quality here. My school in particular has no after school clubs, no language at all and no differentiation in reading or math. Kindergarten has really been eye opening and just a really bad experience. We went to a mediocre Pre-K and it was 100x better than public K.

My neighbors are fleeing our local school en masse and I think magnets would mean that they wouldn't move. I know in DC, school choice has let people stay in DC when before they would have gone to the suburbs.

And yes, a 10k voucher would be lifechanging for most people. A great private in my county is 15k, but there are Catholics that are under 10k.

How do you define “Failing”?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here. This is my first time coming back and I didn't expect this to get off track. I'm not a right wing crazy or anything like that. I'm in a failing, title one school and am interested in other options. I went to public schools and am more interested in magnets than private schools. It just feels like our public schools are very poor quality here. My school in particular has no after school clubs, no language at all and no differentiation in reading or math. Kindergarten has really been eye opening and just a really bad experience. We went to a mediocre Pre-K and it was 100x better than public K.

My neighbors are fleeing our local school en masse and I think magnets would mean that they wouldn't move. I know in DC, school choice has let people stay in DC when before they would have gone to the suburbs.

And yes, a 10k voucher would be lifechanging for most people. A great private in my county is 15k, but there are Catholics that are under 10k.

How do you define “Failing”?

You can’t be serious.

I do not know why I bother engaging with you, PP, when you feign ignorance. Everyone knows there are far to many public schools which are unquestionably failing.

For the rest, who might not realized how these public schools fail generation after generation of kids (mostly BIPOC kids, BTW), here is just one of tens of thousands of articles about failing public schools - many nearby:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/dc-schools-with-failing-marks-deserve-more-attention/2019/05/31/f1c2dc28-8314-11e9-b585-e36b16a531aa_story.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Vouchers will defund our public schools and subsidize private school tuition primarily for kids already in private school. Look at what happened in IN and MI.

Public schools with be left with less money to meet the needs of the kids who won't get a seat at private school and/or can't afford it - often the neediest kids.

It is the neediest kids who benefit most from vouchers.

Wrong. It is the upper middle class who would normally have to stretch to make private school tuition, but might not that benefit the most. School vouchers bridge between what they can afford and what the schools are charging.

The majority of the neediest have to be extremely bright to qualify for the need-based assistance that will bridge the gap between voucher and tuition. The UMC kids will have both the best and the near best kids that will bridge the gap. Many more UMC kids benefit from the vouchers than the neediest.

This is not true.

It is a LWNJ talking point created by the teachers unions and their strategists.

Many of the states that have school voucher programs have an income cap and families above a certain income level are not available for school vouchers. They are deliberately limiting the school voucher program to lower income. If it weren't the case that more UMC and upper class families would use the voucher program, they wouldn't have to put the income cap on the programs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Vouchers will defund our public schools and subsidize private school tuition primarily for kids already in private school. Look at what happened in IN and MI.

Public schools with be left with less money to meet the needs of the kids who won't get a seat at private school and/or can't afford it - often the neediest kids.

It is the neediest kids who benefit most from vouchers.

Wrong. It is the upper middle class who would normally have to stretch to make private school tuition, but might not that benefit the most. School vouchers bridge between what they can afford and what the schools are charging.

The majority of the neediest have to be extremely bright to qualify for the need-based assistance that will bridge the gap between voucher and tuition. The UMC kids will have both the best and the near best kids that will bridge the gap. Many more UMC kids benefit from the vouchers than the neediest.

This is not true.

It is a LWNJ talking point created by the teachers unions and their strategists.

Can you give us examples of states where vouchers work? How much would a voucher in Virginia cover? Can you give examples of the schools that would pay for?

If the amount were high enough, I think new schools would open to get that money.
Also, if these vouchers were available to everyone, I would expect existing private schools to raise their tuition by the amount of the voucher. This is essentially what happened with college tuition when government started offering a tax credit for the first $10000.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here. This is my first time coming back and I didn't expect this to get off track. I'm not a right wing crazy or anything like that. I'm in a failing, title one school and am interested in other options. I went to public schools and am more interested in magnets than private schools. It just feels like our public schools are very poor quality here. My school in particular has no after school clubs, no language at all and no differentiation in reading or math. Kindergarten has really been eye opening and just a really bad experience. We went to a mediocre Pre-K and it was 100x better than public K.

My neighbors are fleeing our local school en masse and I think magnets would mean that they wouldn't move. I know in DC, school choice has let people stay in DC when before they would have gone to the suburbs.

And yes, a 10k voucher would be lifechanging for most people. A great private in my county is 15k, but there are Catholics that are under 10k.

How do you define “Failing”?

You can’t be serious.

I do not know why I bother engaging with you, PP, when you feign ignorance. Everyone knows there are far to many public schools which are unquestionably failing.

For the rest, who might not realized how these public schools fail generation after generation of kids (mostly BIPOC kids, BTW), here is just one of tens of thousands of articles about failing public schools - many nearby:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/dc-schools-with-failing-marks-deserve-more-attention/2019/05/31/f1c2dc28-8314-11e9-b585-e36b16a531aa_story.html

Public schools are not failing in VA

In Oklahoma, MO, AL, Mi, Kentucky, Ohio, Florida yes.

What has happened in VA is morons fell for Youngkins lies. And some still are.

All he wants is your money it's a grift.

[Anonymous]

It would get hold fcps accountable

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It would get hold fcps accountable

Right. Accountable for all the neediest special education children, and ESL/immigrant parents who don’t know how to get a voucher or are afraid of ICE.

No it would not hold FCPS accountable, it would be a drain of money, and talent for the system. It would also take away community schools and encourage use of personal vehicles to transport children or longer bus routes for all these “private” schools. All to allow you and people like you to continue to feel superior and have a safe place to vent your anger.