School vouchers in Virginia?

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Anonymous wrote:Charter Schools: https://doe.virginia.gov/instruction/charter_schools/charter_schools.shtml

For the 2022-23 school year, there are 143 magnet public schools serving 153,580 students in Virginia.

We also have specialty schools.

Vouchers? Not likely in VA, but I'm sure Youngkin will try.

A voucher in Fairfax or Arlington is just a tax break for a family already sending their kid to private. I don't see it ever happening here.

I don’t want to subsidize private school kids.

Not to mention private schools in these areas are already at capacity with paying families. What slots would actually be available for someone to use with a voucher? I could see vouchers working in more rural areas but not densely populated ones like NoVa.

If the voucher is high enough, new schools would open. If a 25k tuition is reduced to 15k, or 20k to 10k, that increases the number of people who would consider it. 35k to 25k seems unlikely to help any low income.

Dream on. If anyone opens additional private schools, they are not going to do so to offer depressed tuition for voucher rates. There are plenty of higher income families in the area that have the money, and especially would have the money if they had voucher money available, to pay higher tuition. Vouchers are a subsidy not a tuition replacement. So, all you are doing is allowing a bigger portion of the top to attend private schools. Middle and lower income students would not benefit at all from a voucher program and you are deluding yourself and anyone you talk to if you try to suggest that vouchers would help middle to lower income families. The only thing way that vouchers would help lower income students is to decrease class sizes a small amount when wealthier students leave the school for privates.

Someone posted here FARMS is available up to 56k. I can see someone making 56K willing to spend 10K or 15K to send to private school.

You're crazy. If they make $56K, then they are paying roughly $8K in taxes. They are paying about $4.3K in FICA. So take home is about $44K. That is less than $4K per month, roughly $3700. The average rent for a 2BR in Arlington is $2900. So that means that they have $800 per month to pay for utilities, cell phone, food, clothing and other living necessities. At $2900, they are paying $34800 per year in rent and after taxes, FICA and rent they have about $9K total for all of the rest of their ANNUAL expenses. And you really think that this family making $56K could consider $10K to add onto the voucher to pay for private school?

Hopefully your child is better at math than you are. No one on FARMS is going to be able to afford to put anything towards private tuition. If the voucher is not a full ride, they are going to the zoned public.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Charter Schools: https://doe.virginia.gov/instruction/charter_schools/charter_schools.shtml

For the 2022-23 school year, there are 143 magnet public schools serving 153,580 students in Virginia.

We also have specialty schools.

Vouchers? Not likely in VA, but I'm sure Youngkin will try.

A voucher in Fairfax or Arlington is just a tax break for a family already sending their kid to private. I don't see it ever happening here.

I don’t want to subsidize private school kids.

I wouldn’t worry about it. The most well-off people who want private (such as many politicians of all political parties) can do private without blinking. Vouchers can assist middle class and working class to escape a failing public school system but the wealthy don’t need them.

What you just spewed is the Right Wing party line about vouchers. It’s also total BS.

Make an argument sweetie.

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You're crazy. If they make $56K, then they are paying roughly $8K in taxes. They are paying about $4.3K in FICA. So take home is about $44K. That is less than $4K per month, roughly $3700. The average rent for a 2BR in Arlington is $2900. So that means that they have $800 per month to pay for utilities, cell phone, food, clothing and other living necessities. At $2900, they are paying $34800 per year in rent and after taxes, FICA and rent they have about $9K total for all of the rest of their ANNUAL expenses. And you really think that this family making $56K could consider $10K to add onto the voucher to pay for private school?

Hopefully your child is better at math than you are. No one on FARMS is going to be able to afford to put anything towards private tuition. If the voucher is not a full ride, they are going to the zoned public.

$2900 is the average. Presumably lower income would be paying less, plus why's it have to be in Arlington? A lot of people are paying less than 2k per month in rent and probably below $1500.

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You're crazy. If they make $56K, then they are paying roughly $8K in taxes. They are paying about $4.3K in FICA. So take home is about $44K. That is less than $4K per month, roughly $3700. The average rent for a 2BR in Arlington is $2900. So that means that they have $800 per month to pay for utilities, cell phone, food, clothing and other living necessities. At $2900, they are paying $34800 per year in rent and after taxes, FICA and rent they have about $9K total for all of the rest of their ANNUAL expenses. And you really think that this family making $56K could consider $10K to add onto the voucher to pay for private school?

Hopefully your child is better at math than you are. No one on FARMS is going to be able to afford to put anything towards private tuition. If the voucher is not a full ride, they are going to the zoned public.

$2900 is the average. Presumably lower income would be paying less, plus why's it have to be in Arlington? A lot of people are paying less than 2k per month in rent and probably below $1500.

If you go back to my quote (which you excerpted) and look at the comments above mine, you'll see that the discussion that I was replying to was about Arlington.

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Anonymous wrote:Charter Schools: https://doe.virginia.gov/instruction/charter_schools/charter_schools.shtml

For the 2022-23 school year, there are 143 magnet public schools serving 153,580 students in Virginia.

We also have specialty schools.

Vouchers? Not likely in VA, but I'm sure Youngkin will try.

A voucher in Fairfax or Arlington is just a tax break for a family already sending their kid to private. I don't see it ever happening here.

I don’t want to subsidize private school kids.

Not to mention private schools in these areas are already at capacity with paying families. What slots would actually be available for someone to use with a voucher? I could see vouchers working in more rural areas but not densely populated ones like NoVa.

It's a moot point; a 10k voucher isn't going to be enough for a poor kid (the kids voucher advocates like to pretend benefit) to go to any decent private school

Where are people getting these numbers? For example, why $10k? What is considered?

I think per pupil spending is about $20k, and people just assumed half of that comes from the state.

Isn’t it closer to 20-30% from the state?

It varies widely across the state. For Fairfax I believe the state provides about 23% of the school district's budget.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Charter Schools: https://doe.virginia.gov/instruction/charter_schools/charter_schools.shtml

For the 2022-23 school year, there are 143 magnet public schools serving 153,580 students in Virginia.

We also have specialty schools.

Vouchers? Not likely in VA, but I'm sure Youngkin will try.

A voucher in Fairfax or Arlington is just a tax break for a family already sending their kid to private. I don't see it ever happening here.

I don’t want to subsidize private school kids.

Not to mention private schools in these areas are already at capacity with paying families. What slots would actually be available for someone to use with a voucher? I could see vouchers working in more rural areas but not densely populated ones like NoVa.

If the voucher is high enough, new schools would open. If a 25k tuition is reduced to 15k, or 20k to 10k, that increases the number of people who would consider it. 35k to 25k seems unlikely to help any low income.

Dream on. If anyone opens additional private schools, they are not going to do so to offer depressed tuition for voucher rates. There are plenty of higher income families in the area that have the money, and especially would have the money if they had voucher money available, to pay higher tuition. Vouchers are a subsidy not a tuition replacement. So, all you are doing is allowing a bigger portion of the top to attend private schools. Middle and lower income students would not benefit at all from a voucher program and you are deluding yourself and anyone you talk to if you try to suggest that vouchers would help middle to lower income families. The only thing way that vouchers would help lower income students is to decrease class sizes a small amount when wealthier students leave the school for privates.

Someone posted here FARMS is available up to 56k. I can see someone making 56K willing to spend 10K or 15K to send to private school.

You're crazy. If they make $56K, then they are paying roughly $8K in taxes. They are paying about $4.3K in FICA. So take home is about $44K. That is less than $4K per month, roughly $3700. The average rent for a 2BR in Arlington is $2900. So that means that they have $800 per month to pay for utilities, cell phone, food, clothing and other living necessities. At $2900, they are paying $34800 per year in rent and after taxes, FICA and rent they have about $9K total for all of the rest of their ANNUAL expenses. And you really think that this family making $56K could consider $10K to add onto the voucher to pay for private school?

Hopefully your child is better at math than you are. No one on FARMS is going to be able to afford to put anything towards private tuition. If the voucher is not a full ride, they are going to the zoned public.

- except: you keep cherry-picking and ignoring the fact that all of the privates offer scholarships, aid, reductions, etc. for students in need. Usually what makes the difference is the voucher.

But since your knee jerk reaction is hatred toward vouchers, I do not expect you to argue rationally.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Charter Schools: https://doe.virginia.gov/instruction/charter_schools/charter_schools.shtml

For the 2022-23 school year, there are 143 magnet public schools serving 153,580 students in Virginia.

We also have specialty schools.

Vouchers? Not likely in VA, but I'm sure Youngkin will try.

A voucher in Fairfax or Arlington is just a tax break for a family already sending their kid to private. I don't see it ever happening here.

You are incorrect.
Youngkin is already in talks with Betsey Devos. The only reason he has not tried this is L Louise Lucas.

If Republicans take charge of Virginia after mid terms or in 2024 Virginia schools will now be Alabama, Missouri, and Mississippi basically crap that you get to pay for and drive farther to.

Youngkin is term limited and there is no way you could accomplish that kind of transformation in two years

And he is enormously unpopular so the odds of another Republican being elected governor after him are slim.

I'm sure he's very unpopular in your friend group, but polling data has been putting him at 50% or above for a while now. This is why it's useful to check things against one's own biases. Or maybe this is satire. Hard to tell these days.

https://cardinalnews.org/2022/10/12/youngkin-approval-rating-rises-almost-10-cnu-poll-finds/
Oct 12, 2022 : "Ten months into his four-year term, Gov. Glenn Youngkin gets a positive job approval from 50% of Virginians, while 40% disapprove and 9% indicate they don’t know" Poll via Wason Center @ CNU

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/09/07/youngkin-strength-virginia-polls/
Sep 7, 2022 "Among poll respondents, 55 percent approve of Youngkin’s job performance, and 51 percent think the commonwealth is moving in the right direction.". Poll via Roanoke College.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/jun/7/glenn-youngkin-more-popular-joe-biden-virginia-pol/
June 7, 2022 " Mr. Youngkin‘s approval rating increased to 53% from 50% in February. His disapproval rating came down to 35% from 41% in February." Poll via Roanoke College.

[Anonymous]

Vouchers will defund our public schools and subsidize private school tuition primarily for kids already in private school. Look at what happened in IN and MI.

Public schools with be left with less money to meet the needs of the kids who won't get a seat at private school and/or can't afford it - often the neediest kids.

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Anonymous wrote:Vouchers will defund our public schools and subsidize private school tuition primarily for kids already in private school. Look at what happened in IN and MI.

Public schools with be left with less money to meet the needs of the kids who won't get a seat at private school and/or can't afford it - often the neediest kids.

It is the neediest kids who benefit most from vouchers.

[Anonymous]

Public school has been downhill for awhile and pandemic closures accelerated that and made more parents aware of what their kids were learning (or not). Public schools are failing so many kids. What’s the saying about doing the same thing over and over and going for different results?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Vouchers will defund our public schools and subsidize private school tuition primarily for kids already in private school. Look at what happened in IN and MI.

Public schools with be left with less money to meet the needs of the kids who won't get a seat at private school and/or can't afford it - often the neediest kids.

It is the neediest kids who benefit most from vouchers.

Sure, I bet SSSAS would be fighting it out with Burgundy Farm to see who got the ESL chair thrower. They better watch out because Potomac school is goin lg to sneak in and grab the kid who obviously has ADHD, but whose parents are in denial and refuse testing let alone treatment

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Anonymous wrote:Public school has been downhill for awhile and pandemic closures accelerated that and made more parents aware of what their kids were learning (or not). Public schools are failing so many kids. What’s the saying about doing the same thing over and over and going for different results?

Yep, FCPS has absolutely terrible results. Sure dominating any list of the top public schools in Virginia is nice and all, but the quality is nowhere near what independents schools achieve with only 5 times the per student cost

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Vouchers will defund our public schools and subsidize private school tuition primarily for kids already in private school. Look at what happened in IN and MI.

Public schools with be left with less money to meet the needs of the kids who won't get a seat at private school and/or can't afford it - often the neediest kids.

It is the neediest kids who benefit most from vouchers.

Citation for that? How did that work out in IN and MI? Oh right. Most of the kids who received vouchers were already attending private schools.

BS Republican lies.

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Citation for that? How did that work out in IN and MI? Oh right. Most of the kids who received vouchers were already attending private schools.

BS Republican lies.

Ron DeSantis got nearly 20% of black women voting for him because of their support for school vouchers.

[Anonymous]

I think ESAs are going to be considered by the legislature next year.