Student walkout

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Anonymous wrote:There are a lot of people who actually agree with the policy. Schools should never keep information about kids from parents.

Under his policy, parents cannot authorize the use of a different name or pronoun. They need to provide legal documents. Why do Republicans want the state to control everyone? Why did Youngkin say kids belong to their parents? Kids are not property. They have a right to have their own feelings especially when so many trans kids are rejected by their parents. Schools should be safe places for all kids. And what happened to limited government and local control? Fairfax voters did not vote for Youngkin - he lost by a lot here. Let localities decide.

How does this work? For example, if Robert wants to go by “Junior” or “JR” because that’s his nickname at home but not his birth name, his parents have to change it legally?

Not really cause it’s still a boy name.
But if he wanted to be called Roberta or something else then yes

So someone is going to determine what is a boy’s name vs a girl’s name. You won’t have to provide legal documentation to go by a completely different name that is determined to be of your gender.

Is that correct?

And what if you are cis gender female named Charlotte but your nickname has always been Charlie? Are you now not allowed to be called Charlie b/c that's a "boys name" and you are a girl??

Who is making the determinations? So in one class the teacher is like - hey, you can be Charlie here but another teacher can be noooo - you must be Charlotte? Or does the school admin decide? Or the county? Or the STATE?!

How do parents even provide legal documents on a nickname?? Is that a thing?

It's more common for boys to go by initials -- like TJ. But what about like the girl on Full House -- DJ? Would she be allowed to be called DJ (real character's name Donna Jo Margaret Tanner) or would she had to be called Donna Jo?

Why can't we just call a kid whatever they want to be called?? Heck my brother went through a phase where he wanted to be called Peter Parker.... really, was there any harm in that (well, unless he started trying to climb the classroom walls...)!

Any nickname derived from one of the student's official legal name does not need parental notification or involvment.

So Roberto can go as Roberta.

Charlotte can go by Charlie.

Catherine can go by Cat

Thomas James can go by TJ, Jimmy, Jim, Tom, etc.

Thomas James cannot go by Cecilia without his parents written permission that he sincerely idetifies as Cecilia. It is all in the 20 page written policy and proposed sample guidance.

You don't see the ridiculousness of all this? Teachers are supposed to keep track of all the possible variations on a students first, middle or last name? This is LUDICROUS. What is the point here?

Teachers are already having to keep track of daily name changes, daily pronoun changes, names that don't match anyones offical legal names, which kids need to have their names hidden from their parents, whether a kid is going to doxx them online for using the wrong pronoun or yesterdays pronoun, made up pronouns, whether mom can hear the trans name but dad needs it hidden, etc etc

This policy change is MUCH simpler for teachers.

+1 yep. Very simple.

The policy change is simpler than the made-up version you just described which was never part of any school policy. Under the existing policy, teachers had to use the name and pronouns of a transgender kid IF it was in the official school record. Anything else was their discretion.

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Anonymous wrote:There are a lot of people who actually agree with the policy. Schools should never keep information about kids from parents.

Not lots. That’s a fringe perspective.

No it’s not feint just because you don’t agree with it. Also, did the “fringe” get Youngkin elected?

The majority got Youngkin elected.

I voted for Youngkin because I reject Terry McAuliffe’s school policy, exemplified by:

“I don’t think parents should be telling schools what they should teach.”

His view is so offensive! As a parent, I do care what schools are teaching my children.

Then you should go private or homeschool. Public school is not here to cater to your individual preferences.

There are current federal and state laws that protect a parent’s right to raise their child and those rights extend into the school.

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Anonymous wrote:There are a lot of people who actually agree with the policy. Schools should never keep information about kids from parents.

Not lots. That’s a fringe perspective.

Nope. It's actually the majority, silent or not. Which is why Youngkin won the election.

He lost Fairfax by a lot and won the state by a little. The man has no mandate and certainly has no mandate in Fairfax. He needs to keep his political aspirations out of our local schools.

+1

Youngkin won statewide by 80,000 votes DESPITE losing Fairfax by a lot, and DESPITE the fact that Virginia went for Biden by 10 points just one year earlier.

That is a big mandate to turn the tide. A lot of people woke up between 2020 and 2021, when they saw what a cliff the Ds are driving us over.

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Anonymous wrote:There are a lot of people who actually agree with the policy. Schools should never keep information about kids from parents.

Not lots. That’s a fringe perspective.

Nope. It's actually the majority, silent or not. Which is why Youngkin won the election.

He lost Fairfax by a lot and won the state by a little. The man has no mandate and certainly has no mandate in Fairfax. He needs to keep his political aspirations out of our local schools.

It's all political. Youngkin is pitching his policies to parents and conservatives, and the Democrats are pitching theirs to progressives and to narcissistic teenagers they see as future voters. Both sides never shut up about trans kids because it's a proxy for a wider political divide.

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Anonymous wrote:There are a lot of people who actually agree with the policy. Schools should never keep information about kids from parents.

Not lots. That’s a fringe perspective.

No it’s not feint just because you don’t agree with it. Also, did the “fringe” get Youngkin elected?

The majority got Youngkin elected.

I voted for Youngkin because I reject Terry McAuliffe’s school policy, exemplified by:

“I don’t think parents should be telling schools what they should teach.”

His view is so offensive! As a parent, I do care what schools are teaching my children.

Then you should go private or homeschool. Public school is not here to cater to your individual preferences.

There are current federal and state laws that protect a parent’s right to raise their child and those rights extend into the school.

SO why can't you just write that you want your child to be referred to by their birthname or your own list of nicknames and not have this 20 page policy making all these rules about others. And for teachers, they go by the school record if a parent wants it, or use their discretion to go by the official school record or what a student requests if parents haven't submitted a letter. Why are you trying to control what OTHER parents do?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There are a lot of people who actually agree with the policy. Schools should never keep information about kids from parents.

Under his policy, parents cannot authorize the use of a different name or pronoun. They need to provide legal documents. Why do Republicans want the state to control everyone? Why did Youngkin say kids belong to their parents? Kids are not property. They have a right to have their own feelings especially when so many trans kids are rejected by their parents. Schools should be safe places for all kids. And what happened to limited government and local control? Fairfax voters did not vote for Youngkin - he lost by a lot here. Let localities decide.

How does this work? For example, if Robert wants to go by “Junior” or “JR” because that’s his nickname at home but not his birth name, his parents have to change it legally?

Not really cause it’s still a boy name.
But if he wanted to be called Roberta or something else then yes

That seems like the kind of discrimination that will get you sued. If Mary can go by her nickname, but Joe can not be called Jane then the policy is no facially neutral.

This is what that section says: (see 2 and 4)

D. Identification of students:
1. Every effort should be made to ensure that a transgender student wishing to change his or her means of address is treated with respect, compassion, and dignity in the classroom and school environment.

2. [School Division] personnel shall refer to each student using only (i) the name that appears in the student’s official record, or (ii) if the student prefers, using any nickname commonly associated with the name that appears in the student’s official record.

3. [School Division] personnel shall refer to each student using only the pronouns appropriate to the sex appearing in the student’s official record - that is, male pronouns for a student whose legal sex is male, and female pronouns for a student whose legal sex is female.

4. Notwithstanding the provisions of paragraphs (2) and (3) of this section, [School Division] personnel shall refer to a student by a name other than one in the student’s official record, or by pronouns other than those appropriate to the sex appearing in the student’s official record, only if an eligible student or a student’s parent has instructed [School Division] in writing that such other name or other pronouns be used because of the student’s persistent and sincere belief that the student’s gender differs from his or her sex.

5. Any written instruction from a parent or eligible student under paragraph (4) of this section shall be memorialized in the student’s official record and subject to the same retention, disclosure, and confidentiality requirements as the official record itself. The legal name and sex of a student shall not be changed, even upon the written instruction of a parent or eligible student, except as specified in section (C)(2).

6. Notwithstanding the provisions of paragraph (4) of this section, [School Division] shall not compel [School Division] personnel or other students to address or refer to students in any manner that would violate their constitutionally protected rights.

7. No policy, guidance, training, or other written material issued by the [School Division] may encourage or instruct teachers to conceal material information about a student from the student’s parent, including information related to gender.

There is zero need for this sort of policy or intrusion. Period. If a kid wants to be called he, she, they, Susie, Susan, Sam whatever . . . that should be respected. Of course there will be issues with the parents' wishes. There always are and can be worked out, as necessary, as they are now on any number of issues. At no time should a teacher be permitted to substitute his/her own preferences for that of the student. If they cannot do so, they shoudl not be in public school.

don’t like free speech eh

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There are a lot of people who actually agree with the policy. Schools should never keep information about kids from parents.

Not lots. That’s a fringe perspective.

No it’s not feint just because you don’t agree with it. Also, did the “fringe” get Youngkin elected?

The majority got Youngkin elected.

I voted for Youngkin because I reject Terry McAuliffe’s school policy, exemplified by:

“I don’t think parents should be telling schools what they should teach.”

His view is so offensive! As a parent, I do care what schools are teaching my children.

Then you should go private or homeschool. Public school is not here to cater to your individual preferences.

There are current federal and state laws that protect a parent’s right to raise their child and those rights extend into the school.

SO why can't you just write that you want your child to be referred to by their birthname or your own list of nicknames and not have this 20 page policy making all these rules about others. And for teachers, they go by the school record if a parent wants it, or use their discretion to go by the official school record or what a student requests if parents haven't submitted a letter. Why are you trying to control what OTHER parents do?

It’s no longer at teacher discretion, the parents have to be involved. Teachers call the children the name on their legal record, pronouns determined by sex on birth certificate. Parents can request a change but teachers don’t have to call them something different if they don’t want to. If you are fearful of the safety of the student telling the parents then you contact CPS. You’re not allowed to call them a different name unless the parents give you that permission or a child is emancipated or of legal age. You’re also not trained to deal with serious gender issues or home family issues based on one sided reports from a student so this makes sure you stay in your lane.

[Anonymous]

I'm a teacher who will call any child in my class any name or pronoun they want.

I also hate the idea of "not being allowed" to call the child by their preferred name to the parents. A colleague made the mistake of calling the student (who was born with a female name) by the preferred name in a 504 meeting. The parent went berserk, demanding to know "who is (male name)!?!? As someone who does not lie, I hate the idea of lying to parents.

But what Youngkin did was just mean-spirited and cruel. It's trying to hurt children in order to score political points. It will probably work, but then again many people are stupid and hateful.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are a lot of people who actually agree with the policy. Schools should never keep information about kids from parents.

Not lots. That’s a fringe perspective.

No it’s not feint just because you don’t agree with it. Also, did the “fringe” get Youngkin elected?

The majority got Youngkin elected.

I voted for Youngkin because I reject Terry McAuliffe’s school policy, exemplified by:

“I don’t think parents should be telling schools what they should teach.”

His view is so offensive! As a parent, I do care what schools are teaching my children.

Then you should go private or homeschool. Public school is not here to cater to your individual preferences.

There are current federal and state laws that protect a parent’s right to raise their child and those rights extend into the school.

SO why can't you just write that you want your child to be referred to by their birthname or your own list of nicknames and not have this 20 page policy making all these rules about others. And for teachers, they go by the school record if a parent wants it, or use their discretion to go by the official school record or what a student requests if parents haven't submitted a letter. Why are you trying to control what OTHER parents do?

It’s no longer at teacher discretion, the parents have to be involved. Teachers call the children the name on their legal record, pronouns determined by sex on birth certificate. Parents can request a change but teachers don’t have to call them something different if they don’t want to. If you are fearful of the safety of the student telling the parents then you contact CPS. You’re not allowed to call them a different name unless the parents give you that permission or a child is emancipated or of legal age. You’re also not trained to deal with serious gender issues or home family issues based on one sided reports from a student so this makes sure you stay in your lane.

Not true. This isn't the policy yet. The comment period on it hasn't even started yet. My point is that this policy FORCES parents who want their children to have the freedom to be called whatever they want to be called at school to put a note about affirming a prescribed set of beliefs about gender identity in a student's permanent record. WHY? If you're against teachers calling your kids the name they want to be called, you take that up with the school and ask them to call them by their birthname. Don't force others to do it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm a teacher who will call any child in my class any name or pronoun they want.

I also hate the idea of "not being allowed" to call the child by their preferred name to the parents. A colleague made the mistake of calling the student (who was born with a female name) by the preferred name in a 504 meeting. The parent went berserk, demanding to know "who is (male name)!?!? As someone who does not lie, I hate the idea of lying to parents.

But what Youngkin did was just mean-spirited and cruel. It's trying to hurt children in order to score political points. It will probably work, but then again many people are stupid and hateful.

Have you read the guidance?

It is neither mean spirited nor cruel.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There are a lot of people who actually agree with the policy. Schools should never keep information about kids from parents.

Not lots. That’s a fringe perspective.

No it’s not feint just because you don’t agree with it. Also, did the “fringe” get Youngkin elected?

The majority got Youngkin elected.

I voted for Youngkin because I reject Terry McAuliffe’s school policy, exemplified by:

“I don’t think parents should be telling schools what they should teach.”

His view is so offensive! As a parent, I do care what schools are teaching my children.

Then you should go private or homeschool. Public school is not here to cater to your individual preferences.

There are current federal and state laws that protect a parent’s right to raise their child and those rights extend into the school.

SO why can't you just write that you want your child to be referred to by their birthname or your own list of nicknames and not have this 20 page policy making all these rules about others. And for teachers, they go by the school record if a parent wants it, or use their discretion to go by the official school record or what a student requests if parents haven't submitted a letter. Why are you trying to control what OTHER parents do?

It’s no longer at teacher discretion, the parents have to be involved. Teachers call the children the name on their legal record, pronouns determined by sex on birth certificate. Parents can request a change but teachers don’t have to call them something different if they don’t want to. If you are fearful of the safety of the student telling the parents then you contact CPS. You’re not allowed to call them a different name unless the parents give you that permission or a child is emancipated or of legal age. You’re also not trained to deal with serious gender issues or home family issues based on one sided reports from a student so this makes sure you stay in your lane.

Not true. This isn't the policy yet. The comment period on it hasn't even started yet. My point is that this policy FORCES parents who want their children to have the freedom to be called whatever they want to be called at school to put a note about affirming a prescribed set of beliefs about gender identity in a student's permanent record. WHY? If you're against teachers calling your kids the name they want to be called, you take that up with the school and ask them to call them by their birthname. Don't force others to do it.

An opt in policy like ayoungkins proposal seems so much more practical and respectful of all involved than an opt out or worse, actively hiding important information about the students from their parents.

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Anonymous wrote:There are a lot of people who actually agree with the policy. Schools should never keep information about kids from parents.

Not lots. That’s a fringe perspective.

Nope. It's actually the majority, silent or not. Which is why Youngkin won the election.

He lost Fairfax by a lot and won the state by a little. The man has no mandate and certainly has no mandate in Fairfax. He needs to keep his political aspirations out of our local schools.

+1

Youngkin won statewide by 80,000 votes DESPITE losing Fairfax by a lot, and DESPITE the fact that Virginia went for Biden by 10 points just one year earlier.

That is a big mandate to turn the tide. A lot of people woke up between 2020 and 2021, when they saw what a cliff the Ds are driving us over.

Now do percentage.

And why don’t you care about local control? Remember when Republicans were fans of that and limited government?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a teacher who will call any child in my class any name or pronoun they want.

I also hate the idea of "not being allowed" to call the child by their preferred name to the parents. A colleague made the mistake of calling the student (who was born with a female name) by the preferred name in a 504 meeting. The parent went berserk, demanding to know "who is (male name)!?!? As someone who does not lie, I hate the idea of lying to parents.

But what Youngkin did was just mean-spirited and cruel. It's trying to hurt children in order to score political points. It will probably work, but then again many people are stupid and hateful.

Have you read the guidance?

It is neither mean spirited nor cruel.

We've READ your stupid guidance and still is mean-spirited and cruel. It's just pretending to be reasonable, but if you think through what it entails for real people, it causes problems. You think we don't get it, but we do.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are a lot of people who actually agree with the policy. Schools should never keep information about kids from parents.

Not lots. That’s a fringe perspective.

No it’s not feint just because you don’t agree with it. Also, did the “fringe” get Youngkin elected?

The majority got Youngkin elected.

I voted for Youngkin because I reject Terry McAuliffe’s school policy, exemplified by:

“I don’t think parents should be telling schools what they should teach.”

His view is so offensive! As a parent, I do care what schools are teaching my children.

The majority of Fairfax voters rejected Youngkin. I do not want him deciding what my kids learn and experience in schools. I trust educators and didn’t fall for the lie that I have no visibility or role in our schools.

I don't want to trust educators who want to hide information from me. If my kid needs care, I want to be involved in that decision.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are a lot of people who actually agree with the policy. Schools should never keep information about kids from parents.

Not lots. That’s a fringe perspective.

Nope. It's actually the majority, silent or not. Which is why Youngkin won the election.

He lost Fairfax by a lot and won the state by a little. The man has no mandate and certainly has no mandate in Fairfax. He needs to keep his political aspirations out of our local schools.

+1

Youngkin won statewide by 80,000 votes DESPITE losing Fairfax by a lot, and DESPITE the fact that Virginia went for Biden by 10 points just one year earlier.

That is a big mandate to turn the tide. A lot of people woke up between 2020 and 2021, when they saw what a cliff the Ds are driving us over.

Nope. Bigots will lose in the end.