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Anonymous
That seems like the kind of discrimination that will get you sued. If Mary can go by her nickname, but Joe can not be called Jane then the policy is no facially neutral. |
Anonymous
This is what that section says: (see 2 and 4) D. Identification of students: 1. Every effort should be made to ensure that a transgender student wishing to change his or her means of address is treated with respect, compassion, and dignity in the classroom and school environment. 2. [School Division] personnel shall refer to each student using only (i) the name that appears in the student’s official record, or (ii) if the student prefers, using any nickname commonly associated with the name that appears in the student’s official record. 3. [School Division] personnel shall refer to each student using only the pronouns appropriate to the sex appearing in the student’s official record - that is, male pronouns for a student whose legal sex is male, and female pronouns for a student whose legal sex is female. 4. Notwithstanding the provisions of paragraphs (2) and (3) of this section, [School Division] personnel shall refer to a student by a name other than one in the student’s official record, or by pronouns other than those appropriate to the sex appearing in the student’s official record, only if an eligible student or a student’s parent has instructed [School Division] in writing that such other name or other pronouns be used because of the student’s persistent and sincere belief that the student’s gender differs from his or her sex. 5. Any written instruction from a parent or eligible student under paragraph (4) of this section shall be memorialized in the student’s official record and subject to the same retention, disclosure, and confidentiality requirements as the official record itself. The legal name and sex of a student shall not be changed, even upon the written instruction of a parent or eligible student, except as specified in section (C)(2). 6. Notwithstanding the provisions of paragraph (4) of this section, [School Division] shall not compel [School Division] personnel or other students to address or refer to students in any manner that would violate their constitutionally protected rights. 7. No policy, guidance, training, or other written material issued by the [School Division] may encourage or instruct teachers to conceal material information about a student from the student’s parent, including information related to gender. |
Anonymous
But this policy isn't about LGBTQ+ and outing all gay kids to their parents. The question is really where a transgender student's rights begin and a parent's rights end. It's not an easy answer, but coming at it from the alarmist perspective that parents are assumed to be abusers until proven otherwise isn't helpful. That's where I think a lot of parents, including me, have an issue with the direction some of the policies are going, like the recent trainings we all saw from FCPS. I don't think schools should act as a last line of defense to protect kids from the parents. If it's okay for that to be true with exploring gender identity, then what else is okay? What happens if a Muslim girl walks into the school wearing a hijab and the teacher provides a place for the student to remove and store the hijab during the day? There's a difference between supporting a student exploring religion or gender identity vs. providing them assistance to do something their parents don't know about. |
Anonymous
Teachers are not reporters of student actions not connected to academics unless it breaks school rules or is a crime. Should teachers tell you your child is dating a guy who is kind of a jerk? That could be very harmful to her, but it's none of the teachers business even though the student might share who she is dating with the teacher and not with her parents. If the student discloses rape or abuse, the teacher is a mandated reporter. But if she's keeping that a secret from her parents, we can't ask teachers expect to report that. Follow this logic to its conclusion--teachers are around your kids when you are not there. They see how they interact with peers. They see how they try on different identities. Teachers have LOADS of information that they just are not going to share because 1) they don't have the time, 2) it isn't their business to be a reporter on what students are doing unless it's academics or breaking the rules. Pulling out 'name and pronoun changes' as a specific thing they should monitor is specifically discriminatory to transgender identities. |
Anonymous
*Adding by "if she's keeping "that" a secret--I mean dating the guy, not if there was rape or abuse. Rape or abuse would be required to be reported. I just reread this and saw there was a lack of clarity in what I was referring to. |
Anonymous
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I don’t understand the point of this part of his proposal:
“3. Students shall use bathrooms that correspond to his or her sex, except to the extent that federal law otherwise requires. See Grimm v. Gloucester County School Board, 972 F.3d 586 (2020)” In the Grimm v. Gloucester County School Board case the U.S. Court of Appeals held that transgender students must be allowed to use the restroom that corresponds to their chosen gender. So, his proposal is pointless. What was the point of including it? Or, what am I missing? |
Anonymous
| Making it look like he is doing something when he isn’t. |
Anonymous
NP. I assume to kick in automatically if Grimm is expressly overruled by the Supreme Court or Fourth Circuit at some point. |
Anonymous
Not in this area they didn’t. Even Loudoun and it’s prefabricated Trans Panic went solidly the other way. |
Anonymous
Yes, along with folks overly worried about the fake threat of CRT. |
Anonymous
Your example is ludicrous. A kid wearing a hijab could just put it in their backpack or whatever. Show us real examples of how teachers are "providing assistance" that goes against parents actual rights and address them on a case by case basis. Teachers call a kid by the name they ask to be called. They do this if they say they prefer a nickname, if they prefer to be called an 'anglicized' name, if they prefer to be called a different gendered name. It's not "providing secret assistance" it's basic classroom practice for all students. What else are they doing that is "secret assistance"? Stopping bullying? They try to do that for everyone. Letting them go to the bathroom as they see fit? Nothing special about that. |
Anonymous
There is zero need for this sort of policy or intrusion. Period. If a kid wants to be called he, she, they, Susie, Susan, Sam whatever . . . that should be respected. Of course there will be issues with the parents' wishes. There always are and can be worked out, as necessary, as they are now on any number of issues. At no time should a teacher be permitted to substitute his/her own preferences for that of the student. If they cannot do so, they shoudl not be in public school. |
Anonymous
What if Samantha wants to be “Sam” or Charlene wants to be “Charlie?” |
Anonymous
No, the majority didn’t elect Youngkin. The majority of those who VOTED did. Big difference. Especially in this context where children don’t get a vote. Youngkin doesn’t reflect the Virginian mainstream. McAullife was 100% right, by the way. That was not an offensive viewpoint— it was an astute one. Parents should stay in their lane. They don’t get to decide what is taught in our schools — they already have avenues to provide their input and perspective, but they aren’t the arbiters of what society needs kids to know. People like you are so ridiculously stupid and should stay in your lane. Teach your kid whatever stupid crap you want in your own house but our schools need to get our children ready for society and to function in a diverse, progressive, globalized economy. |
Anonymous
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Then you should go private or homeschool. Public school is not here to cater to your individual preferences. +1! |