Fake URM

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
My wealthy, well-educated cousins were afforded every opportunity. They also checked the Hispanic box years ago for college admissions, since technically their father is from South America.

It happens all the time, OP. No system is perfect. I'd rather have a system based strictly on academic merit, with financial aid based on financial documents and verified by the IRS.

This. Case in point: Friend A: parents emigrated to Costa Rica from SC when friend was about 12. When applying for college, she applied as Hispanic, in spite of not even holding a passport other than US. "But I iiiideeennttiiiiffyyyy as Hispanic".

Friend B: Grandparents immigrated to the US from Spain. Identified as Hispanic, because technically Spanish speaking--nevermind that Spaniards are White Europeans.


Absurd.

My mother was born in Cuba and came here as a teen. My son is therefore 1/4 Cuban. He checked the Hispanic box. We are well off. He got into every school.

List the schools. Could have been all schools with high acceptance rates and nothing to do with checking a box.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Being Hispanic/LatinX is not going to give anyone an admissions boost by itself.

You have to be Hispanic/LatinX and low income or first gen to get a boost in admissions. Your zip code is a bigger boost than checking any box on the application.

But in the absence of first-gen or low-income students, schools will happily take Hispanic students who don't check those boxes to satisfy that category.

[Anonymous]

If I could get away with it, I'd do it. My friend's kids are 1/8 Black, look white, but they put down AA on applications. Kid has gotten into some impressive schools, but they are an excellent student, too. Who knows.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
My wealthy, well-educated cousins were afforded every opportunity. They also checked the Hispanic box years ago for college admissions, since technically their father is from South America.

It happens all the time, OP. No system is perfect. I'd rather have a system based strictly on academic merit, with financial aid based on financial documents and verified by the IRS.

This. Case in point: Friend A: parents emigrated to Costa Rica from SC when friend was about 12. When applying for college, she applied as Hispanic, in spite of not even holding a passport other than US. "But I iiiideeennttiiiiffyyyy as Hispanic".

Friend B: Grandparents immigrated to the US from Spain. Identified as Hispanic, because technically Spanish speaking--nevermind that Spaniards are White Europeans.


Absurd.

Friend A is lying. But Friend B is indeed Hispanic, no technicality about it. Universities are well aware there are white Hispanics. Hispanic does not mean “not white.”

The ignorance of DCUM posters regarding Latino and Hispanic identity is shocking at times.

I’ve seen for years here the disregard and negative feelings towards white Hispanics here. It’s really shocking and disgusting. Not white enough for the DCUM whites but not brown/struggle enough to “count” according to them.

Agree. People are so ignorant. What do Hispanics look like? They come in all colors. Spent years living in Mexico. Spouse and children are Mexican. My Mexican family comes in a wide variety of colors. How offensive of some to claim they are not Hispanic because they are white. You know there are poor white Mexicans in Mexico.

I'm the ESOL teacher who previously posted. My Hispanic students all look very different. I've had red-headed students, students with blue/gray eyes, black students, etc. My son is half Hispanic and he looks kind of Asian (lighter skin plus dark brown eyes and black hair).

[Anonymous]

Visit Argentina. Plenty of white (race) hispanic (ethnicity) people there with light skin and blonde hair.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why should white Europeans from the Iberian Peninsula get an admissions boost?

They do not get one. You need to learn more about college admissions.

Actually, you need to learn more about college admissions. Blacks and Hispanics are underrepresented in most higher education. There are many initiatives to increase their enrollment and retention. In order to administer those initiatives, they need to know who falls within those categories. Just read the Harvard lawsuit (and other similar cases). The data shows that Blacks and Hispanics get lower admissions standards. That's a fact. Whether you think that is right is an opinion. My point is...don't gaslight people into thinking there is no advantage to which box you check. People understand that there are consequences to which box they check.

Oh my God you are so incredibly stupid. Did you even read the posts you were responding to? Do you have the ability to even comprehend them?

I will spell it out extremely slowly for you. The top post in this thread references white Europeans from the Iberian Peninsula. The Iberian Peninsula refers to Spain. Under the definition of Hispanic used by the federal government, Hispanic includes those from the Iberian Peninsula. They are therefore properly identified as Hispanic in college admissions.

However, college applications ask for race and ethnicity. These are different boxes and are asking for different information. People who are from the Iberian Peninsula will generally select “white” for race, although not everyone from the Iberian Peninsula is white. White Hispanics — people whose race is white but whose ethnicity is Hispanic — do not get admissions preferences.

It seems to me that your own college education failed you spectacularly, and maybe you should be a little less worried about where other people are being educated and focus on your own shortcomings.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
My wealthy, well-educated cousins were afforded every opportunity. They also checked the Hispanic box years ago for college admissions, since technically their father is from South America.

It happens all the time, OP. No system is perfect. I'd rather have a system based strictly on academic merit, with financial aid based on financial documents and verified by the IRS.

This. Case in point: Friend A: parents emigrated to Costa Rica from SC when friend was about 12. When applying for college, she applied as Hispanic, in spite of not even holding a passport other than US. "But I iiiideeennttiiiiffyyyy as Hispanic".

Friend B: Grandparents immigrated to the US from Spain. Identified as Hispanic, because technically Spanish speaking--nevermind that Spaniards are White Europeans.


Absurd.

My mother was born in Cuba and came here as a teen. My son is therefore 1/4 Cuban. He checked the Hispanic box. We are well off. He got into every school.

List the schools. Could have been all schools with high acceptance rates and nothing to do with checking a box.

Actually could have been more to do with DS's high stats. One of the schools is T20...others T25 and T50.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why should white Europeans from the Iberian Peninsula get an admissions boost?

They do not get one. You need to learn more about college admissions.

Actually, you need to learn more about college admissions. Blacks and Hispanics are underrepresented in most higher education. There are many initiatives to increase their enrollment and retention. In order to administer those initiatives, they need to know who falls within those categories. Just read the Harvard lawsuit (and other similar cases). The data shows that Blacks and Hispanics get lower admissions standards. That's a fact. Whether you think that is right is an opinion. My point is...don't gaslight people into thinking there is no advantage to which box you check. People understand that there are consequences to which box they check.

Oh my God you are so incredibly stupid. Did you even read the posts you were responding to? Do you have the ability to even comprehend them?

I will spell it out extremely slowly for you. The top post in this thread references white Europeans from the Iberian Peninsula. The Iberian Peninsula refers to Spain. Under the definition of Hispanic used by the federal government, Hispanic includes those from the Iberian Peninsula. They are therefore properly identified as Hispanic in college admissions.

However, college applications ask for race and ethnicity. These are different boxes and are asking for different information. People who are from the Iberian Peninsula will generally select “white” for race, although not everyone from the Iberian Peninsula is white. White Hispanics — people whose race is white but whose ethnicity is Hispanic — do not get admissions preferences.

It seems to me that your own college education failed you spectacularly, and maybe you should be a little less worried about where other people are being educated and focus on your own shortcomings.

Source for claim Hispanic, but white, doesn't constitute a minority for college admissions purposes?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why should white Europeans from the Iberian Peninsula get an admissions boost?

They do not get one. You need to learn more about college admissions.

Actually, you need to learn more about college admissions. Blacks and Hispanics are underrepresented in most higher education. There are many initiatives to increase their enrollment and retention. In order to administer those initiatives, they need to know who falls within those categories. Just read the Harvard lawsuit (and other similar cases). The data shows that Blacks and Hispanics get lower admissions standards. That's a fact. Whether you think that is right is an opinion. My point is...don't gaslight people into thinking there is no advantage to which box you check. People understand that there are consequences to which box they check.

Oh my God you are so incredibly stupid. Did you even read the posts you were responding to? Do you have the ability to even comprehend them?

I will spell it out extremely slowly for you. The top post in this thread references white Europeans from the Iberian Peninsula. The Iberian Peninsula refers to Spain. Under the definition of Hispanic used by the federal government, Hispanic includes those from the Iberian Peninsula. They are therefore properly identified as Hispanic in college admissions.

However, college applications ask for race and ethnicity. These are different boxes and are asking for different information. People who are from the Iberian Peninsula will generally select “white” for race, although not everyone from the Iberian Peninsula is white. White Hispanics — people whose race is white but whose ethnicity is Hispanic — do not get admissions preferences.

It seems to me that your own college education failed you spectacularly, and maybe you should be a little less worried about where other people are being educated and focus on your own shortcomings.

Source for claim Hispanic, but white, doesn't constitute a minority for college admissions purposes?

Are you the stupid PP from above? I’m not doing your work for you. Learn some basics, improve your failings, and educate yourself.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why should white Europeans from the Iberian Peninsula get an admissions boost?

They do not get one. You need to learn more about college admissions.

Actually, you need to learn more about college admissions. Blacks and Hispanics are underrepresented in most higher education. There are many initiatives to increase their enrollment and retention. In order to administer those initiatives, they need to know who falls within those categories. Just read the Harvard lawsuit (and other similar cases). The data shows that Blacks and Hispanics get lower admissions standards. That's a fact. Whether you think that is right is an opinion. My point is...don't gaslight people into thinking there is no advantage to which box you check. People understand that there are consequences to which box they check.

Oh my God you are so incredibly stupid. Did you even read the posts you were responding to? Do you have the ability to even comprehend them?

I will spell it out extremely slowly for you. The top post in this thread references white Europeans from the Iberian Peninsula. The Iberian Peninsula refers to Spain. Under the definition of Hispanic used by the federal government, Hispanic includes those from the Iberian Peninsula. They are therefore properly identified as Hispanic in college admissions.

However, college applications ask for race and ethnicity. These are different boxes and are asking for different information. People who are from the Iberian Peninsula will generally select “white” for race, although not everyone from the Iberian Peninsula is white. White Hispanics — people whose race is white but whose ethnicity is Hispanic — do not get admissions preferences.

It seems to me that your own college education failed you spectacularly, and maybe you should be a little less worried about where other people are being educated and focus on your own shortcomings.

NP. What race box do you suppose Mexican applicants check?

The ethnicity question has a section to indicate country of origin. Whether the college gives people with ancestry from Spain vs Central America an admissions preference differs by college - there is little to no published data on college admissions preferences among various Hispanic countries as far as I am aware. (If someone has a link to such data, pls post.)

The race question is completely separate. Most Hispanics end up checking the race box for White, as there is no Mestizo category. I repeat, checking White has zero effect on whether a college decides to give an admissions preference to an applicant who has checked the box for Hispanic ethnicity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If I could get away with it, I'd do it. My friend's kids are 1/8 Black, look white, but they put down AA on applications. Kid has gotten into some impressive schools, but they are an excellent student, too. Who knows.

OP here. Family is not black, but mixed white and another race that is not AA. But brown enough kids. For financial aid and probably scholarship stuff. I guess they feel also that since most of the people they hang around would never know, they try it.

One kid did get some $.

[Anonymous]

There is a really obvious case of this kind of lie in DD’s school. Everyone knows it. Maybe this is naive, but I truly think that this kindof lying isn’t a one-off, it leads to a lying, cheating way of life (even in a small way). Just not a good way to start off.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
My wealthy, well-educated cousins were afforded every opportunity. They also checked the Hispanic box years ago for college admissions, since technically their father is from South America.

It happens all the time, OP. No system is perfect. I'd rather have a system based strictly on academic merit, with financial aid based on financial documents and verified by the IRS.

Why the F does someone from South America get preferential treatment for college admissions?!? Stupid.

Uhhhhh. Ever heard of VENEZUELA??? Been to a Favela in Brazil?!

Dear god you people are ignorant

Who cares dude? Why are those people favored over my US born kids? Why are my tax payer dollars subsidizing someone from another country? Do you not understand that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why should white Europeans from the Iberian Peninsula get an admissions boost?

They do not get one. You need to learn more about college admissions.

Good to know. Why do they ask for the Hispanic identification if it doesn't matter?

College are required by law to ask for demographic info. If a student checks Hispanic and white for race, they are classified as white for admissions purposes, which is separate from Federal reporting requirements.

What law is that? I believe there's a "prefer not to answer" option? Why can't colleges get progressive and have that box checked automatically for everyone?

Any school that receives federal money and/or Title IV participates are required to report via the Integrated Postsecondary Education Data System (IPEDS) under the Department of Education. Individuals are allowed to opt out but schools are required to ask for the info.

Ah! Seems more like a rule than law. Regardless, it is something that needs to be struck down.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why should white Europeans from the Iberian Peninsula get an admissions boost?

They do not get one. You need to learn more about college admissions.

Actually, you need to learn more about college admissions. Blacks and Hispanics are underrepresented in most higher education. There are many initiatives to increase their enrollment and retention. In order to administer those initiatives, they need to know who falls within those categories. Just read the Harvard lawsuit (and other similar cases). The data shows that Blacks and Hispanics get lower admissions standards. That's a fact. Whether you think that is right is an opinion. My point is...don't gaslight people into thinking there is no advantage to which box you check. People understand that there are consequences to which box they check.

And I think, and will support any laws to this effect, that such preferences should be only available to indigent kids. If a rich hispanic or AA kid doesn't want to go to college, who gives a sh*t? Rich or well-off Hispanics/Blacks, Fresh off the Boat Africans, etc. should get zero priority when it comes to college admissions. Get in line and compete fairly like everyone else (i.e. Whites and Asians).