Fake URM

[Anonymous]

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My wealthy, well-educated cousins were afforded every opportunity. They also checked the Hispanic box years ago for college admissions, since technically their father is from South America.

It happens all the time, OP. No system is perfect. I'd rather have a system based strictly on academic merit, with financial aid based on financial documents and verified by the IRS.

WTF. They ARE Hispanic and Latino if their father is from South America. Wealth has nothing to do with identity, unless you are a racist that thinks all Latinos are poor and uneducated. Not checking the Hispanic box would be lying about their identity.

PP you replied to. I know they're Hispanic. The entire point in reporting a non-white or non-asian status is to get special consideration, given the previous and current discrimination these populations face while trying to advance professionally and educationally. My cousins, who are not in need of any particular help, and look as white as any immigrant from northern Europe, benefited from a system that was not built for their particular case. I don't resent them for it. But I see that the system is imperfect.

We're not talking about identity here. We're talking about getting something out of that identity.

Who needs help in your opinion? Should it just be household income based?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
My wealthy, well-educated cousins were afforded every opportunity. They also checked the Hispanic box years ago for college admissions, since technically their father is from South America.

It happens all the time, OP. No system is perfect. I'd rather have a system based strictly on academic merit, with financial aid based on financial documents and verified by the IRS.

This. Case in point: Friend A: parents emigrated to Costa Rica from SC when friend was about 12. When applying for college, she applied as Hispanic, in spite of not even holding a passport other than US. "But I iiiideeennttiiiiffyyyy as Hispanic".

Friend B: Grandparents immigrated to the US from Spain. Identified as Hispanic, because technically Spanish speaking--nevermind that Spaniards are White Europeans.


Absurd.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
My wealthy, well-educated cousins were afforded every opportunity. They also checked the Hispanic box years ago for college admissions, since technically their father is from South America.

It happens all the time, OP. No system is perfect. I'd rather have a system based strictly on academic merit, with financial aid based on financial documents and verified by the IRS.

WTF. They ARE Hispanic and Latino if their father is from South America. Wealth has nothing to do with identity, unless you are a racist that thinks all Latinos are poor and uneducated. Not checking the Hispanic box would be lying about their identity.

PP you replied to. I know they're Hispanic. The entire point in reporting a non-white or non-asian status is to get special consideration, given the previous and current discrimination these populations face while trying to advance professionally and educationally. My cousins, who are not in need of any particular help, and look as white as any immigrant from northern Europe, benefited from a system that was not built for their particular case. I don't resent them for it. But I see that the system is imperfect.

We're not talking about identity here. We're talking about getting something out of that identity.

I see your problem. You are too unintelligent for your kids to get in anywhere.

Seriously, do you even understand anything?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
My wealthy, well-educated cousins were afforded every opportunity. They also checked the Hispanic box years ago for college admissions, since technically their father is from South America.

It happens all the time, OP. No system is perfect. I'd rather have a system based strictly on academic merit, with financial aid based on financial documents and verified by the IRS.

This. Case in point: Friend A: parents emigrated to Costa Rica from SC when friend was about 12. When applying for college, she applied as Hispanic, in spite of not even holding a passport other than US. "But I iiiideeennttiiiiffyyyy as Hispanic".

Friend B: Grandparents immigrated to the US from Spain. Identified as Hispanic, because technically Spanish speaking--nevermind that Spaniards are White Europeans.


Absurd.

Friend A is lying. But Friend B is indeed Hispanic, no technicality about it. Universities are well aware there are white Hispanics. Hispanic does not mean “not white.”

The ignorance of DCUM posters regarding Latino and Hispanic identity is shocking at times.

[Anonymous]

People take any advantage they can get OP, they know how to pay the game.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
My wealthy, well-educated cousins were afforded every opportunity. They also checked the Hispanic box years ago for college admissions, since technically their father is from South America.

It happens all the time, OP. No system is perfect. I'd rather have a system based strictly on academic merit, with financial aid based on financial documents and verified by the IRS.

WTF. They ARE Hispanic and Latino if their father is from South America. Wealth has nothing to do with identity, unless you are a racist that thinks all Latinos are poor and uneducated. Not checking the Hispanic box would be lying about their identity.

This too is murky. Dh has parents who were born in Argentina but their parents were European from Europe. His parents grew up at moved to the US. (He never checks the Hispanic box but..) Is he Hispanic (he never checks this box). He grew up in a Spanish speaking household. Had his parents spoke Yiddish would that change your mind ? What if his parents had been born in Argentina but moved here at age 6?

The whole system is rough around the edges. No way about it. Dh doesn’t check the box because he has had every advantage. I’d hope others were reasonable in this way but there are always exceptions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
My wealthy, well-educated cousins were afforded every opportunity. They also checked the Hispanic box years ago for college admissions, since technically their father is from South America.

It happens all the time, OP. No system is perfect. I'd rather have a system based strictly on academic merit, with financial aid based on financial documents and verified by the IRS.

This. Case in point: Friend A: parents emigrated to Costa Rica from SC when friend was about 12. When applying for college, she applied as Hispanic, in spite of not even holding a passport other than US. "But I iiiideeennttiiiiffyyyy as Hispanic".

Friend B: Grandparents immigrated to the US from Spain. Identified as Hispanic, because technically Spanish speaking--nevermind that Spaniards are White Europeans.


Absurd.

Friend A: This is not how colleges work. They look at other things besides one box checked.

Friend B: Is Hispanic (by decent) since the whole reason we have Hispanics is because of.... Spain. Friend is not Latino though.

This thread is really eye opening to what people have no clue about.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
My wealthy, well-educated cousins were afforded every opportunity. They also checked the Hispanic box years ago for college admissions, since technically their father is from South America.

It happens all the time, OP. No system is perfect. I'd rather have a system based strictly on academic merit, with financial aid based on financial documents and verified by the IRS.

This. Case in point: Friend A: parents emigrated to Costa Rica from SC when friend was about 12. When applying for college, she applied as Hispanic, in spite of not even holding a passport other than US. "But I iiiideeennttiiiiffyyyy as Hispanic".

Friend B: Grandparents immigrated to the US from Spain. Identified as Hispanic, because technically Spanish speaking--nevermind that Spaniards are White Europeans.


Absurd.

Friend A: This is not how colleges work. They look at other things besides one box checked.

Friend B: Is Hispanic (by decent) since the whole reason we have Hispanics is because of.... Spain. Friend is not Latino though.

This thread is really eye opening to what people have no clue about.

+1

This thread is making me realize how little people know. It is remarkable.

[Anonymous]

Happens all the time (URM (wealthy URM), first gen, varsity blues…). Schools don’t verify, but there isn’t a whole lot of legitimacy left. Best to just live your life and not get consumed by it. This won’t always work out in the long run.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
My wealthy, well-educated cousins were afforded every opportunity. They also checked the Hispanic box years ago for college admissions, since technically their father is from South America.

It happens all the time, OP. No system is perfect. I'd rather have a system based strictly on academic merit, with financial aid based on financial documents and verified by the IRS.

WTF. They ARE Hispanic and Latino if their father is from South America. Wealth has nothing to do with identity, unless you are a racist that thinks all Latinos are poor and uneducated. Not checking the Hispanic box would be lying about their identity.

This too is murky. Dh has parents who were born in Argentina but their parents were European from Europe. His parents grew up at moved to the US. (He never checks the Hispanic box but..) Is he Hispanic (he never checks this box). He grew up in a Spanish speaking household. Had his parents spoke Yiddish would that change your mind ? What if his parents had been born in Argentina but moved here at age 6?

The whole system is rough around the edges. No way about it. Dh doesn’t check the box because he has had every advantage. I’d hope others were reasonable in this way but there are always exceptions.

Sure. Of course it is murky. I strongly, strongly disagree that your husband is being “reasonable” by default, though. Hiding his identity and being ashamed of being Latino is not a reasonable position. I would hope that most people with identities like your husband’s proudly check the box.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
My wealthy, well-educated cousins were afforded every opportunity. They also checked the Hispanic box years ago for college admissions, since technically their father is from South America.

It happens all the time, OP. No system is perfect. I'd rather have a system based strictly on academic merit, with financial aid based on financial documents and verified by the IRS.

This. Case in point: Friend A: parents emigrated to Costa Rica from SC when friend was about 12. When applying for college, she applied as Hispanic, in spite of not even holding a passport other than US. "But I iiiideeennttiiiiffyyyy as Hispanic".

Friend B: Grandparents immigrated to the US from Spain. Identified as Hispanic, because technically Spanish speaking--nevermind that Spaniards are White Europeans.


Absurd.

Friend A: This is not how colleges work. They look at other things besides one box checked.

Friend B: Is Hispanic (by decent) since the whole reason we have Hispanics is because of.... Spain. Friend is not Latino though.

This thread is really eye opening to what people have no clue about.

+1

This thread is making me realize how little people know. It is remarkable.

Agreed. So much ignorance.

[Anonymous]

OP, just MYOB. You probably don't really know what they are.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Concerned that a friend is trying to pass off kid as being urm. Seeing signs that it may be working. Student is not urm at all, but parent is trying to make others believe there is a connect. I think it’s shameful. The family has money but wants to try for urm to get discounted costs. Wondering how schools verify this.

Wondering if this is a troll post.

There is no URM "discount."

The parent can't pass off the kid. The kid answers federal race and ethnicity questions in the app.

If they care to check, a college admissions office can ask the high school counselor what box is checked on the high school/district registration forms.

If a kid is found to be lying in the app, the kid may be subject to penalties that include not getting in, getting kicked out after matriculation, or down the road getting stripped of the degree.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
My wealthy, well-educated cousins were afforded every opportunity. They also checked the Hispanic box years ago for college admissions, since technically their father is from South America.

It happens all the time, OP. No system is perfect. I'd rather have a system based strictly on academic merit, with financial aid based on financial documents and verified by the IRS.

This. Case in point: Friend A: parents emigrated to Costa Rica from SC when friend was about 12. When applying for college, she applied as Hispanic, in spite of not even holding a passport other than US. "But I iiiideeennttiiiiffyyyy as Hispanic".

Friend B: Grandparents immigrated to the US from Spain. Identified as Hispanic, because technically Spanish speaking--nevermind that Spaniards are White Europeans.


Absurd.

Friend A: This is not how colleges work. They look at other things besides one box checked.

Friend B: Is Hispanic (by decent) since the whole reason we have Hispanics is because of.... Spain. Friend is not Latino though.

This thread is really eye opening to what people have no clue about.

+1

This thread is making me realize how little people know. It is remarkable.

Agreed. So much ignorance.

+1

The ignorance is really pretty amazing.

[Anonymous]

Schools aren’t going to check. I know a fair skinned, blonde boy who is 50% black. His black parent is fair skinned plus he got every recessive gene there is. Blue eyes. But he’s legitimately 50% black and can claim URM.