Fake URM

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:My father was born in South America to Jewish parents escaping the Holocaust. This was in 1952. When I applied to college in 2000 there was no way I would have fathomed checking Hispanic. You can surely bet my daughter will be checking Hispanic when she applies to college! This game is sickening and absurd.

If you think the game is “sickening and absurd,” why are you playing it? Seems like you are willing to do whatever it takes to get an advantage over others and compromise your daughter’s integrity in the process. For the rest of her life she always have that knowledge, like a pebble in her shoe. That seems pretty sickening to me.

DP. You are wrong. If someone is picking my pocket and I have the opportunity to pick theirs, I'll gladly do it though I am against stealing. This is somewhat similar to that. Even if not real, there's a perception that "undeserving" URMs are stealing opportunities away for hard-working kids (Whites, Jews, Asians, etc.). If those kids are also convinced of that, I bet they won't give a rat's a** about moral dilemmas. Why should a dark-brown Indian kid of recent Indian immigrants be denied admission to a top school when a similar dark brown kid African kid of recent immigrants gets that spot? If this was happening at a for-profit institution, I wouldn't care but not at a non-Profit college that my taxes subsidize.

Don't get me wrong. I'm all for giving opportunities for those who have been truly wronged or truly deserve it - Native Americans, African Americans with slave ancestry on both sides and kids from families with income/wealth below a certain threshold. Set aside 5% of all admissions for those categories by law and cut all the other crap. A college's job is to teach. Not engineer society. That's why I will never donate to any college. My kids will gladly accept that pebble in their shoes. Thrown in an extra pebble for all I care.

You see, I don't think anyone's pocket is being picked. If you REALLY think there is that huge of a difference between going to school that is ranked, say 30 instead of 40 such that you need to engage in such a convoluted justification for an action that you feel at your gut level is wrong, then I don't know what to say about that.

Smart, hardworking, talented White and Asian kids are not being shut out of getting a great education in this country. I can tell you this because in the past three years, two of my white/Asian mixed kids have been admitted to multiple top colleges each, with no "hooks." Their friends all got into great school too, even the cis white non-athlete boys. If your outrage is over having to settle for UVA over Cornell, because Cornell decided it wants a particular class composition for their student body, your pocket is not being picked. Give me a freaking break.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My father was born in South America to Jewish parents escaping the Holocaust. This was in 1952. When I applied to college in 2000 there was no way I would have fathomed checking Hispanic. You can surely bet my daughter will be checking Hispanic when she applies to college! This game is sickening and absurd.

If you think the game is “sickening and absurd,” why are you playing it? Seems like you are willing to do whatever it takes to get an advantage over others and compromise your daughter’s integrity in the process. For the rest of her life she always have that knowledge, like a pebble in her shoe. That seems pretty sickening to me.

DP. You are wrong. If someone is picking my pocket and I have the opportunity to pick theirs, I'll gladly do it though I am against stealing. This is somewhat similar to that. Even if not real, there's a perception that "undeserving" URMs are stealing opportunities away for hard-working kids (Whites, Jews, Asians, etc.). If those kids are also convinced of that, I bet they won't give a rat's a** about moral dilemmas. Why should a dark-brown Indian kid of recent Indian immigrants be denied admission to a top school when a similar dark brown kid African kid of recent immigrants gets that spot? If this was happening at a for-profit institution, I wouldn't care but not at a non-Profit college that my taxes subsidize.

Don't get me wrong. I'm all for giving opportunities for those who have been truly wronged or truly deserve it - Native Americans, African Americans with slave ancestry on both sides and kids from families with income/wealth below a certain threshold. Set aside 5% of all admissions for those categories by law and cut all the other crap. A college's job is to teach. Not engineer society. That's why I will never donate to any college. My kids will gladly accept that pebble in their shoes. Thrown in an extra pebble for all I care.

You see, I don't think anyone's pocket is being picked. If you REALLY think there is that huge of a difference between going to school that is ranked, say 30 instead of 40 such that you need to engage in such a convoluted justification for an action that you feel at your gut level is wrong, then I don't know what to say about that.

Smart, hardworking, talented White and Asian kids are not being shut out of getting a great education in this country. I can tell you this because in the past three years, two of my white/Asian mixed kids have been admitted to multiple top colleges each, with no "hooks." Their friends all got into great school too, even the cis white non-athlete boys. If your outrage is over having to settle for UVA over Cornell, because Cornell decided it wants a particular class composition for their student body, your pocket is not being picked. Give me a freaking break.

Thanks for the pat on the head. Racial discrimination is okay as long as you don't drop more than 10 spaces in ranking. Got it, thanks so much PP, I have learned a lot from your excellent and insightful analysis

[Anonymous]

Sometimes I wonder about things like who even calls Texas abortion hotlines to report the business of others? Now I see...there are lots of people who would do that. Including the nasty busybodies on this thread.

Shame.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My father was born in South America to Jewish parents escaping the Holocaust. This was in 1952. When I applied to college in 2000 there was no way I would have fathomed checking Hispanic. You can surely bet my daughter will be checking Hispanic when she applies to college! This game is sickening and absurd.

If you think the game is “sickening and absurd,” why are you playing it? Seems like you are willing to do whatever it takes to get an advantage over others and compromise your daughter’s integrity in the process. For the rest of her life she always have that knowledge, like a pebble in her shoe. That seems pretty sickening to me.

DP. You are wrong. If someone is picking my pocket and I have the opportunity to pick theirs, I'll gladly do it though I am against stealing. This is somewhat similar to that. Even if not real, there's a perception that "undeserving" URMs are stealing opportunities away for hard-working kids (Whites, Jews, Asians, etc.). If those kids are also convinced of that, I bet they won't give a rat's a** about moral dilemmas. Why should a dark-brown Indian kid of recent Indian immigrants be denied admission to a top school when a similar dark brown kid African kid of recent immigrants gets that spot? If this was happening at a for-profit institution, I wouldn't care but not at a non-Profit college that my taxes subsidize.

Don't get me wrong. I'm all for giving opportunities for those who have been truly wronged or truly deserve it - Native Americans, African Americans with slave ancestry on both sides and kids from families with income/wealth below a certain threshold. Set aside 5% of all admissions for those categories by law and cut all the other crap. A college's job is to teach. Not engineer society. That's why I will never donate to any college. My kids will gladly accept that pebble in their shoes. Thrown in an extra pebble for all I care.

Here's the thing; your pocket was always empty. You are assuming that a spot that was "yours" was being stolen from your pocket, but that spot was never yours to begin with. Colleges can use whatever criteria they want to decide who to admit to further the educational mission and goals of their institution. It is so entitled to think that "qualified" means qualified in the way that puts THEM at the top of the heap. And most of you don't notice or care when colleges engineer their class in a way that benefits YOU. For example, I doubt many people object to colleges working to keep their gender ratios balanced, even though it means admitting many less "qualified" boys. If they didn't everyone would say "oh well who wants to go to a college that is 80 percent girls." Would people on this board want to send their kids to a liberal arts college that is 90% comprised of boys from China studying comp sci? Because if you start going down the road of only admitting the "most qualified" based on some narrow criteria related to test scores and academic performance, most of your white US born kids would not be getting in to ANY Ivy because they would all be getting crushed by hungry kids from India, China, Nigeria, and first gen immigrant kids from those kinds of countries. Then you all will cry about how those kids are all just "prepping machines" with no personalities who aren't well rounded like YOUR kids.

If your kid can't get into a good school without lying about their race or ethnicity, they clearly aren't equipped to compete anyway, and will probably continue to lie and cheat their way through life. Way to go in raising those kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sometimes I wonder about things like who even calls Texas abortion hotlines to report the business of others? Now I see...there are lots of people who would do that. Including the nasty busybodies on this thread.

Shame.

New poster here, I am not a busybody, but people talk, you know? This has been going on since the 90s, back then I had a friend who claimed "African American" due to the fact that his father was born in Africa while on a work assignment. He freely admitted to his friends that he had zero African heritage in his ancestry and felt this would be more advantageous than indicating his primary race to gain acceptance to a prestigious university (he was admitted). I haven't seen anyone advocating that people report each other or that universities revoke acceptance for anyone, just pointing out that the current system is poorly designed and enforced which may lead to unintended outcomes, which people perceive to be unfair.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My father was born in South America to Jewish parents escaping the Holocaust. This was in 1952. When I applied to college in 2000 there was no way I would have fathomed checking Hispanic. You can surely bet my daughter will be checking Hispanic when she applies to college! This game is sickening and absurd.

If you think the game is “sickening and absurd,” why are you playing it? Seems like you are willing to do whatever it takes to get an advantage over others and compromise your daughter’s integrity in the process. For the rest of her life she always have that knowledge, like a pebble in her shoe. That seems pretty sickening to me.

DP. You are wrong. If someone is picking my pocket and I have the opportunity to pick theirs, I'll gladly do it though I am against stealing. This is somewhat similar to that. Even if not real, there's a perception that "undeserving" URMs are stealing opportunities away for hard-working kids (Whites, Jews, Asians, etc.). If those kids are also convinced of that, I bet they won't give a rat's a** about moral dilemmas. Why should a dark-brown Indian kid of recent Indian immigrants be denied admission to a top school when a similar dark brown kid African kid of recent immigrants gets that spot? If this was happening at a for-profit institution, I wouldn't care but not at a non-Profit college that my taxes subsidize.

Don't get me wrong. I'm all for giving opportunities for those who have been truly wronged or truly deserve it - Native Americans, African Americans with slave ancestry on both sides and kids from families with income/wealth below a certain threshold. Set aside 5% of all admissions for those categories by law and cut all the other crap. A college's job is to teach. Not engineer society. That's why I will never donate to any college. My kids will gladly accept that pebble in their shoes. Thrown in an extra pebble for all I care.

Here's the thing; your pocket was always empty. You are assuming that a spot that was "yours" was being stolen from your pocket, but that spot was never yours to begin with. Colleges can use whatever criteria they want to decide who to admit to further the educational mission and goals of their institution. It is so entitled to think that "qualified" means qualified in the way that puts THEM at the top of the heap. And most of you don't notice or care when colleges engineer their class in a way that benefits YOU. For example, I doubt many people object to colleges working to keep their gender ratios balanced, even though it means admitting many less "qualified" boys. If they didn't everyone would say "oh well who wants to go to a college that is 80 percent girls." Would people on this board want to send their kids to a liberal arts college that is 90% comprised of boys from China studying comp sci? Because if you start going down the road of only admitting the "most qualified" based on some narrow criteria related to test scores and academic performance, most of your white US born kids would not be getting in to ANY Ivy because they would all be getting crushed by hungry kids from India, China, Nigeria, and first gen immigrant kids from those kinds of countries. Then you all will cry about how those kids are all just "prepping machines" with no personalities who aren't well rounded like YOUR kids.

If your kid can't get into a good school without lying about their race or ethnicity, they clearly aren't equipped to compete anyway, and will probably continue to lie and cheat their way through life. Way to go in raising those kids.

Not the PP, new poster here. I have a degree in Comp Sci and would be happy to have been in courses with 90% boys from China if they are the best qualified students. Why do you think that a hardworking Chinese boy should have to give up his spot to a less qualified applicant due to his sex and race? Are you insinuating that students who are not Chinese boys are unable to compete on our merits and performance?

[Anonymous]

OP here. I guess this happens a lot more than I thought. And that non URMs feel justified to fake status if it can offer advantage. It's just sad when it's happening right under your nose.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP here. I guess this happens a lot more than I thought. And that non URMs feel justified to fake status if it can offer advantage. It's just sad when it's happening right under your nose.

Oh, stop trolling. Honestly. You sound stupid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sometimes I wonder about things like who even calls Texas abortion hotlines to report the business of others? Now I see...there are lots of people who would do that. Including the nasty busybodies on this thread.

Shame.

Right???

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sometimes I wonder about things like who even calls Texas abortion hotlines to report the business of others? Now I see...there are lots of people who would do that. Including the nasty busybodies on this thread.

Shame.

Right???

Nobody here is calling Texas abortion hotlines so STFU.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It can get complicated. My grandmother came to the US from Puerto Rico when she was a teen and then had my mother, who was placed into foster care. My mother’s father, who she never met, was a blue eyed German and she inherited his complexion and his name. Because she grew up as a ward of the state, she never learned a word of Spanish. My father is Irish and I have his last name. Am I deprived of claiming my heritage because my mother was raised by the state? Am I not Hispanic because I have blue eyes?

You are white.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It can get complicated. My grandmother came to the US from Puerto Rico when she was a teen and then had my mother, who was placed into foster care. My mother’s father, who she never met, was a blue eyed German and she inherited his complexion and his name. Because she grew up as a ward of the state, she never learned a word of Spanish. My father is Irish and I have his last name. Am I deprived of claiming my heritage because my mother was raised by the state? Am I not Hispanic because I have blue eyes?

You are white.

NP-You are a dipshit so there is that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My father was born in South America to Jewish parents escaping the Holocaust. This was in 1952. When I applied to college in 2000 there was no way I would have fathomed checking Hispanic. You can surely bet my daughter will be checking Hispanic when she applies to college! This game is sickening and absurd.

If you think the game is “sickening and absurd,” why are you playing it? Seems like you are willing to do whatever it takes to get an advantage over others and compromise your daughter’s integrity in the process. For the rest of her life she always have that knowledge, like a pebble in her shoe. That seems pretty sickening to me.

DP. You are wrong. If someone is picking my pocket and I have the opportunity to pick theirs, I'll gladly do it though I am against stealing. This is somewhat similar to that. Even if not real, there's a perception that "undeserving" URMs are stealing opportunities away for hard-working kids (Whites, Jews, Asians, etc.). If those kids are also convinced of that, I bet they won't give a rat's a** about moral dilemmas. Why should a dark-brown Indian kid of recent Indian immigrants be denied admission to a top school when a similar dark brown kid African kid of recent immigrants gets that spot? If this was happening at a for-profit institution, I wouldn't care but not at a non-Profit college that my taxes subsidize.

Don't get me wrong. I'm all for giving opportunities for those who have been truly wronged or truly deserve it - Native Americans, African Americans with slave ancestry on both sides and kids from families with income/wealth below a certain threshold. Set aside 5% of all admissions for those categories by law and cut all the other crap. A college's job is to teach. Not engineer society. That's why I will never donate to any college. My kids will gladly accept that pebble in their shoes. Thrown in an extra pebble for all I care.

Here's the thing; your pocket was always empty. You are assuming that a spot that was "yours" was being stolen from your pocket, but that spot was never yours to begin with. Colleges can use whatever criteria they want to decide who to admit to further the educational mission and goals of their institution. It is so entitled to think that "qualified" means qualified in the way that puts THEM at the top of the heap. And most of you don't notice or care when colleges engineer their class in a way that benefits YOU. For example, I doubt many people object to colleges working to keep their gender ratios balanced, even though it means admitting many less "qualified" boys. If they didn't everyone would say "oh well who wants to go to a college that is 80 percent girls." Would people on this board want to send their kids to a liberal arts college that is 90% comprised of boys from China studying comp sci? Because if you start going down the road of only admitting the "most qualified" based on some narrow criteria related to test scores and academic performance, most of your white US born kids would not be getting in to ANY Ivy because they would all be getting crushed by hungry kids from India, China, Nigeria, and first gen immigrant kids from those kinds of countries. Then you all will cry about how those kids are all just "prepping machines" with no personalities who aren't well rounded like YOUR kids.

If your kid can't get into a good school without lying about their race or ethnicity, they clearly aren't equipped to compete anyway, and will probably continue to lie and cheat their way through life. Way to go in raising those kids.

I'm all for colleges balancing to create a diverse environment, and I largely agree with what you wrote here. A lot of people seem to embrace a very naive view of merit and the ramifications of these policies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
My wealthy, well-educated cousins were afforded every opportunity. They also checked the Hispanic box years ago for college admissions, since technically their father is from South America.

It happens all the time, OP. No system is perfect. I'd rather have a system based strictly on academic merit, with financial aid based on financial documents and verified by the IRS.

unfortunately it really does

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sometimes I wonder about things like who even calls Texas abortion hotlines to report the business of others? Now I see...there are lots of people who would do that. Including the nasty busybodies on this thread.

Shame.

Right???

Nobody here is calling Texas abortion hotlines so STFU.

You would if you could. We all know that. Stop pretending you wouldn’t try and get a miscarrying woman prosecuted.