Fake URM

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Anonymous wrote:Why should white Europeans from the Iberian Peninsula get an admissions boost?

They do not get one. You need to learn more about college admissions.

Actually, you need to learn more about college admissions. Blacks and Hispanics are underrepresented in most higher education. There are many initiatives to increase their enrollment and retention. In order to administer those initiatives, they need to know who falls within those categories. Just read the Harvard lawsuit (and other similar cases). The data shows that Blacks and Hispanics get lower admissions standards. That's a fact. Whether you think that is right is an opinion. My point is...don't gaslight people into thinking there is no advantage to which box you check. People understand that there are consequences to which box they check.

Oh my God you are so incredibly stupid. Did you even read the posts you were responding to? Do you have the ability to even comprehend them?

I will spell it out extremely slowly for you. The top post in this thread references white Europeans from the Iberian Peninsula. The Iberian Peninsula refers to Spain. Under the definition of Hispanic used by the federal government, Hispanic includes those from the Iberian Peninsula. They are therefore properly identified as Hispanic in college admissions.

However, college applications ask for race and ethnicity. These are different boxes and are asking for different information. People who are from the Iberian Peninsula will generally select “white” for race, although not everyone from the Iberian Peninsula is white. White Hispanics — people whose race is white but whose ethnicity is Hispanic — do not get admissions preferences.

It seems to me that your own college education failed you spectacularly, and maybe you should be a little less worried about where other people are being educated and focus on your own shortcomings.

Source for claim Hispanic, but white, doesn't constitute a minority for college admissions purposes?

Are you the stupid PP from above? I’m not doing your work for you. Learn some basics, improve your failings, and educate yourself.

DP here. I picked GW and here are the stats on the undergraduate class as they track them:
https://irp.gwu.edu/sites/g/files/zaxdzs2501/f/downloads/Factsheet%20Fall%202020.pdf

Notice it has "Race and Ethnicity" and the pie chart adds up to 100%. They have pie pieces for white, asian, black, and hispanic (among others). So... someone who indicates they are white hispanic -- I guess they end up in the hispanic pie in that chart?

NP: yes, because the required reporting to the Federal government doesn’t separate white Hispanic.

Many Hispanics are Mestizo, a combination of white and indigenous. Mestizo would be the missing category, but White is not wrong. Accordingly, most Hispanics from Mexico, Central and South America end up checking White.

Hispanic is an ethnicity, not a race

Yes, I know. Race is a separate question, the point being what race box do most Hispanics tend to check, with too many posters above continuing to incorrectly assume that someone checking white only has ancestors from Spain. To be clear, none of this has anything to do with complexion. I am referring only to the race boxes in the Common App.

[Anonymous]

It can get complicated. My grandmother came to the US from Puerto Rico when she was a teen and then had my mother, who was placed into foster care. My mother’s father, who she never met, was a blue eyed German and she inherited his complexion and his name. Because she grew up as a ward of the state, she never learned a word of Spanish. My father is Irish and I have his last name. Am I deprived of claiming my heritage because my mother was raised by the state? Am I not Hispanic because I have blue eyes?

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Anonymous wrote:My father was born in South America to Jewish parents escaping the Holocaust. This was in 1952. When I applied to college in 2000 there was no way I would have fathomed checking Hispanic. You can surely bet my daughter will be checking Hispanic when she applies to college! This game is sickening and absurd.

If you think the game is “sickening and absurd,” why are you playing it? Seems like you are willing to do whatever it takes to get an advantage over others and compromise your daughter’s integrity in the process. For the rest of her life she always have that knowledge, like a pebble in her shoe. That seems pretty sickening to me.

DP. You are wrong. If someone is picking my pocket and I have the opportunity to pick theirs, I'll gladly do it though I am against stealing. This is somewhat similar to that. Even if not real, there's a perception that "undeserving" URMs are stealing opportunities away for hard-working kids (Whites, Jews, Asians, etc.). If those kids are also convinced of that, I bet they won't give a rat's a** about moral dilemmas. Why should a dark-brown Indian kid of recent Indian immigrants be denied admission to a top school when a similar dark brown kid African kid of recent immigrants gets that spot? If this was happening at a for-profit institution, I wouldn't care but not at a non-Profit college that my taxes subsidize.

Don't get me wrong. I'm all for giving opportunities for those who have been truly wronged or truly deserve it - Native Americans, African Americans with slave ancestry on both sides and kids from families with income/wealth below a certain threshold. Set aside 5% of all admissions for those categories by law and cut all the other crap. A college's job is to teach. Not engineer society. That's why I will never donate to any college. My kids will gladly accept that pebble in their shoes. Thrown in an extra pebble for all I care.

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Anonymous wrote:Schools aren’t going to check. I know a fair skinned, blonde boy who is 50% black. His black parent is fair skinned plus he got every recessive gene there is. Blue eyes. But he’s legitimately 50% black and can claim URM.

My niece too. Barely knows her black father or that side of the family. Claimed black on every form she ever filled in. She received a 100% scholarship to her private ritzy high school as wells to college.

My niece has a half-sister with long blonde hair and blue eyes who did the same thing. Their mothers are not stupid.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why should white Europeans from the Iberian Peninsula get an admissions boost?

They do not get one. You need to learn more about college admissions.

Actually, you need to learn more about college admissions. Blacks and Hispanics are underrepresented in most higher education. There are many initiatives to increase their enrollment and retention. In order to administer those initiatives, they need to know who falls within those categories. Just read the Harvard lawsuit (and other similar cases). The data shows that Blacks and Hispanics get lower admissions standards. That's a fact. Whether you think that is right is an opinion. My point is...don't gaslight people into thinking there is no advantage to which box you check. People understand that there are consequences to which box they check.

Oh my God you are so incredibly stupid. Did you even read the posts you were responding to? Do you have the ability to even comprehend them?

I will spell it out extremely slowly for you. The top post in this thread references white Europeans from the Iberian Peninsula. The Iberian Peninsula refers to Spain. Under the definition of Hispanic used by the federal government, Hispanic includes those from the Iberian Peninsula. They are therefore properly identified as Hispanic in college admissions.

However, college applications ask for race and ethnicity. These are different boxes and are asking for different information. People who are from the Iberian Peninsula will generally select “white” for race, although not everyone from the Iberian Peninsula is white. White Hispanics — people whose race is white but whose ethnicity is Hispanic — do not get admissions preferences.

It seems to me that your own college education failed you spectacularly, and maybe you should be a little less worried about where other people are being educated and focus on your own shortcomings.

Only people who are ineffective communicators resort to name calling such as stupid, racist, sexist, etc... I am well aware of the history and diversity of Latin countries and its people. The bottom line is that the box is used to discriminate in favor of the box checker. I don't disagree that if you are Hispanic, regardless of race, you should check the box. Period. What I disagree with is to even have the box to check in the first place. We really need to stop with the identity politics in this country. It is tearing us apart.

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Anonymous wrote:My father was born in South America to Jewish parents escaping the Holocaust. This was in 1952. When I applied to college in 2000 there was no way I would have fathomed checking Hispanic. You can surely bet my daughter will be checking Hispanic when she applies to college! This game is sickening and absurd.

If you think the game is “sickening and absurd,” why are you playing it? Seems like you are willing to do whatever it takes to get an advantage over others and compromise your daughter’s integrity in the process. For the rest of her life she always have that knowledge, like a pebble in her shoe. That seems pretty sickening to me.

DP. You are wrong. If someone is picking my pocket and I have the opportunity to pick theirs, I'll gladly do it though I am against stealing. This is somewhat similar to that. Even if not real, there's a perception that "undeserving" URMs are stealing opportunities away for hard-working kids (Whites, Jews, Asians, etc.). If those kids are also convinced of that, I bet they won't give a rat's a** about moral dilemmas. Why should a dark-brown Indian kid of recent Indian immigrants be denied admission to a top school when a similar dark brown kid African kid of recent immigrants gets that spot? If this was happening at a for-profit institution, I wouldn't care but not at a non-Profit college that my taxes subsidize.

Don't get me wrong. I'm all for giving opportunities for those who have been truly wronged or truly deserve it - Native Americans, African Americans with slave ancestry on both sides and kids from families with income/wealth below a certain threshold. Set aside 5% of all admissions for those categories by law and cut all the other crap. A college's job is to teach. Not engineer society. That's why I will never donate to any college. My kids will gladly accept that pebble in their shoes. Thrown in an extra pebble for all I care.

So the only *hard-working* kids are "Whites, Jews, Asians, etc."?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Schools aren’t going to check. I know a fair skinned, blonde boy who is 50% black. His black parent is fair skinned plus he got every recessive gene there is. Blue eyes. But he’s legitimately 50% black and can claim URM.

My niece too. Barely knows her black father or that side of the family. Claimed black on every form she ever filled in. She received a 100% scholarship to her private ritzy high school as wells to college.

My niece has a half-sister with long blonde hair and blue eyes who did the same thing. Their mothers are not stupid.

Perhaps because their mothers are not stupid, they are also not stupid and that is why they received the "100%" scholarship.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why should white Europeans from the Iberian Peninsula get an admissions boost?

They do not get one. You need to learn more about college admissions.

Actually, you need to learn more about college admissions. Blacks and Hispanics are underrepresented in most higher education. There are many initiatives to increase their enrollment and retention. In order to administer those initiatives, they need to know who falls within those categories. Just read the Harvard lawsuit (and other similar cases). The data shows that Blacks and Hispanics get lower admissions standards. That's a fact. Whether you think that is right is an opinion. My point is...don't gaslight people into thinking there is no advantage to which box you check. People understand that there are consequences to which box they check.

Oh my God you are so incredibly stupid. Did you even read the posts you were responding to? Do you have the ability to even comprehend them?

I will spell it out extremely slowly for you. The top post in this thread references white Europeans from the Iberian Peninsula. The Iberian Peninsula refers to Spain. Under the definition of Hispanic used by the federal government, Hispanic includes those from the Iberian Peninsula. They are therefore properly identified as Hispanic in college admissions.

However, college applications ask for race and ethnicity. These are different boxes and are asking for different information. People who are from the Iberian Peninsula will generally select “white” for race, although not everyone from the Iberian Peninsula is white. White Hispanics — people whose race is white but whose ethnicity is Hispanic — do not get admissions preferences.

It seems to me that your own college education failed you spectacularly, and maybe you should be a little less worried about where other people are being educated and focus on your own shortcomings.

Only people who are ineffective communicators resort to name calling such as stupid, racist, sexist, etc... I am well aware of the history and diversity of Latin countries and its people. The bottom line is that the box is used to discriminate in favor of the box checker. I don't disagree that if you are Hispanic, regardless of race, you should check the box. Period. What I disagree with is to even have the box to check in the first place. We really need to stop with the identity politics in this country. It is tearing us apart.

You are clearly stupid. Dear God.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My father was born in South America to Jewish parents escaping the Holocaust. This was in 1952. When I applied to college in 2000 there was no way I would have fathomed checking Hispanic. You can surely bet my daughter will be checking Hispanic when she applies to college! This game is sickening and absurd.

If you think the game is “sickening and absurd,” why are you playing it? Seems like you are willing to do whatever it takes to get an advantage over others and compromise your daughter’s integrity in the process. For the rest of her life she always have that knowledge, like a pebble in her shoe. That seems pretty sickening to me.

DP. You are wrong. If someone is picking my pocket and I have the opportunity to pick theirs, I'll gladly do it though I am against stealing. This is somewhat similar to that. Even if not real, there's a perception that "undeserving" URMs are stealing opportunities away for hard-working kids (Whites, Jews, Asians, etc.). If those kids are also convinced of that, I bet they won't give a rat's a** about moral dilemmas. Why should a dark-brown Indian kid of recent Indian immigrants be denied admission to a top school when a similar dark brown kid African kid of recent immigrants gets that spot? If this was happening at a for-profit institution, I wouldn't care but not at a non-Profit college that my taxes subsidize.

Don't get me wrong. I'm all for giving opportunities for those who have been truly wronged or truly deserve it - Native Americans, African Americans with slave ancestry on both sides and kids from families with income/wealth below a certain threshold. Set aside 5% of all admissions for those categories by law and cut all the other crap. A college's job is to teach. Not engineer society. That's why I will never donate to any college. My kids will gladly accept that pebble in their shoes. Thrown in an extra pebble for all I care.

So the only *hard-working* kids are "Whites, Jews, Asians, etc."?

+1

The racists in this thread are unreal.

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The way this conversation is splitting hairs just emphasizes how stupid this is. Some kids really do deserve the boost and provide true diversity. So many do not.

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I don't know that they will get discounted costs but probably will get preferential admission. If you cant beat them, join them. I realized too late, we were the only idiots still checking "white male" on applications.

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How about we based it on financial situation not skin color? There are plenty of well-off POCs who probably don't need the help, and plenty of poor non-POCs that do.

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Anonymous wrote:How about we based it on financial situation not skin color? There are plenty of well-off POCs who probably don't need the help, and plenty of poor non-POCs that do.

There is nothing preventing a college from doing this. The race/ethnicity questions are just data points from the application. It also includes parents' education level.

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My wealthy, well-educated cousins were afforded every opportunity. They also checked the Hispanic box years ago for college admissions, since technically their father is from South America.

It happens all the time, OP. No system is perfect. I'd rather have a system based strictly on academic merit, with financial aid based on financial documents and verified by the IRS.

Why the F does someone from South America get preferential treatment for college admissions?!? Stupid.

There are people from SA who come from privilege, and plenty who do not. But regardless, by virtue of their separate experiences they bring different perspectives to a college campus. Schools want students from SA for some of the very same reasons they want students from as many different US states and territories as possible.

And I have to say that colleagues in my own field from SA, from several different countries, report working conditions that are considerably harder than mine, and economic circumstances that are much more difficult (and I am not HNW by any stretch).

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Reading these posts reminds me of why I have lost faith in humanity. You all are truly disgusting.