Fake URM

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My wealthy, well-educated cousins were afforded every opportunity. They also checked the Hispanic box years ago for college admissions, since technically their father is from South America.

It happens all the time, OP. No system is perfect. I'd rather have a system based strictly on academic merit, with financial aid based on financial documents and verified by the IRS.

WTF. They ARE Hispanic and Latino if their father is from South America. Wealth has nothing to do with identity, unless you are a racist that thinks all Latinos are poor and uneducated. Not checking the Hispanic box would be lying about their identity.

This too is murky. Dh has parents who were born in Argentina but their parents were European from Europe. His parents grew up at moved to the US. (He never checks the Hispanic box but..) Is he Hispanic (he never checks this box). He grew up in a Spanish speaking household. Had his parents spoke Yiddish would that change your mind ? What if his parents had been born in Argentina but moved here at age 6?

The whole system is rough around the edges. No way about it. Dh doesn’t check the box because he has had every advantage. I’d hope others were reasonable in this way but there are always exceptions.

Sure. Of course it is murky. I strongly, strongly disagree that your husband is being “reasonable” by default, though. Hiding his identity and being ashamed of being Latino is not a reasonable position. I would hope that most people with identities like your husband’s proudly check the box.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
My wealthy, well-educated cousins were afforded every opportunity. They also checked the Hispanic box years ago for college admissions, since technically their father is from South America.

It happens all the time, OP. No system is perfect. I'd rather have a system based strictly on academic merit, with financial aid based on financial documents and verified by the IRS.

This. Case in point: Friend A: parents emigrated to Costa Rica from SC when friend was about 12. When applying for college, she applied as Hispanic, in spite of not even holding a passport other than US. "But I iiiideeennttiiiiffyyyy as Hispanic".

Friend B: Grandparents immigrated to the US from Spain. Identified as Hispanic, because technically Spanish speaking--nevermind that Spaniards are White Europeans.


Absurd.

Friend A is Latina/Latino and, if they speak Spanish at home, Hispanic

Friend B is white Hispanic

Sure they're not really the target audience that these questions are usually aimed at but I agree with the poster who said they'd rather than imperfect system aimed to help rather than nixing the whole thing all together. (And I'm super white and my kids are mixed white and Asian so we're not getting any advantages here.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Schools aren’t going to check. I know a fair skinned, blonde boy who is 50% black. His black parent is fair skinned plus he got every recessive gene there is. Blue eyes. But he’s legitimately 50% black and can claim URM.

I know several kids like this who also identified as such on applications. A set of siblings are also blond and blue-eyed and their father is also very light skinned. In terms of descent, he's probably not 50% black since his one parent probably isn't even 50% black. Still, it does count.

- a biracial woman married to a Black man

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
My wealthy, well-educated cousins were afforded every opportunity. They also checked the Hispanic box years ago for college admissions, since technically their father is from South America.

It happens all the time, OP. No system is perfect. I'd rather have a system based strictly on academic merit, with financial aid based on financial documents and verified by the IRS.

This. Case in point: Friend A: parents emigrated to Costa Rica from SC when friend was about 12. When applying for college, she applied as Hispanic, in spite of not even holding a passport other than US. "But I iiiideeennttiiiiffyyyy as Hispanic".

Friend B: Grandparents immigrated to the US from Spain. Identified as Hispanic, because technically Spanish speaking--nevermind that Spaniards are White Europeans.


Absurd.

Friend A is Latina/Latino and, if they speak Spanish at home, Hispanic

Friend B is white Hispanic

Sure they're not really the target audience that these questions are usually aimed at but I agree with the poster who said they'd rather than imperfect system aimed to help rather than nixing the whole thing all together. (And I'm super white and my kids are mixed white and Asian so we're not getting any advantages here.)

+1 and I am white.

[Anonymous]

Why should white Europeans from the Iberian Peninsula get an admissions boost?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why should white Europeans from the Iberian Peninsula get an admissions boost?

They do not get one. You need to learn more about college admissions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
My wealthy, well-educated cousins were afforded every opportunity. They also checked the Hispanic box years ago for college admissions, since technically their father is from South America.

It happens all the time, OP. No system is perfect. I'd rather have a system based strictly on academic merit, with financial aid based on financial documents and verified by the IRS.

This. Case in point: Friend A: parents emigrated to Costa Rica from SC when friend was about 12. When applying for college, she applied as Hispanic, in spite of not even holding a passport other than US. "But I iiiideeennttiiiiffyyyy as Hispanic".

Friend B: Grandparents immigrated to the US from Spain. Identified as Hispanic, because technically Spanish speaking--nevermind that Spaniards are White Europeans.


Absurd.

Friend A is Latina/Latino and, if they speak Spanish at home, Hispanic

Friend B is white Hispanic

Sure they're not really the target audience that these questions are usually aimed at but I agree with the poster who said they'd rather than imperfect system aimed to help rather than nixing the whole thing all together. (And I'm super white and my kids are mixed white and Asian so we're not getting any advantages here.)

+1 and I am white.

Unless there's some info missing, Friend A (who had U.S. non-Hispanic parents but lived in Costa Rica from age 12-17) is not Hispanic or Latina.

Friend B is white Hispanic.

Race and ethnicity are two separate questions on all these forms. Hispanics can be any race - white, black, indigenous, even Asian (case in point: the former president of Peru, Fujimori, was of Japanese ancestry)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
My wealthy, well-educated cousins were afforded every opportunity. They also checked the Hispanic box years ago for college admissions, since technically their father is from South America.

It happens all the time, OP. No system is perfect. I'd rather have a system based strictly on academic merit, with financial aid based on financial documents and verified by the IRS.

This. Case in point: Friend A: parents emigrated to Costa Rica from SC when friend was about 12. When applying for college, she applied as Hispanic, in spite of not even holding a passport other than US. "But I iiiideeennttiiiiffyyyy as Hispanic".

Friend B: Grandparents immigrated to the US from Spain. Identified as Hispanic, because technically Spanish speaking--nevermind that Spaniards are White Europeans.


Absurd.

Friend A is Latina/Latino and, if they speak Spanish at home, Hispanic

Friend B is white Hispanic

Sure they're not really the target audience that these questions are usually aimed at but I agree with the poster who said they'd rather than imperfect system aimed to help rather than nixing the whole thing all together. (And I'm super white and my kids are mixed white and Asian so we're not getting any advantages here.)

+1 and I am white.

Unless there's some info missing, Friend A (who had U.S. non-Hispanic parents but lived in Costa Rica from age 12-17) is not Hispanic or Latina.

Friend B is white Hispanic.

Race and ethnicity are two separate questions on all these forms. Hispanics can be any race - white, black, indigenous, even Asian (case in point: the former president of Peru, Fujimori, was of Japanese ancestry)

That post was unclear. If Friend A just lived there then yes, not Latina.

Nearly all college forms ask for race and ethnicity. Colleges do not give admissions preferences to white Hispanics and they know who they are.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP, just MYOB. You probably don't really know what they are.

OP here. Unfortunately I do. It's not even close with one parent. The other parent is probably pushing the boundary. It's sad. Is probably saying the family is a percentage of this or that race because of some skin coloring. Looking for an advantage to not have to be full pay. Disheartening.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP, just MYOB. You probably don't really know what they are.

OP here. Unfortunately I do. It's not even close with one parent. The other parent is probably pushing the boundary. It's sad. Is probably saying the family is a percentage of this or that race because of some skin coloring. Looking for an advantage to not have to be full pay. Disheartening.

I don't understand your point. URMs are not given extra financial aid just because they are URM...they get the basic income-based package like everyone else.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP, just MYOB. You probably don't really know what they are.

OP here. Unfortunately I do. It's not even close with one parent. The other parent is probably pushing the boundary. It's sad. Is probably saying the family is a percentage of this or that race because of some skin coloring. Looking for an advantage to not have to be full pay. Disheartening.

I don't understand your point. URMs are not given extra financial aid just because they are URM...they get the basic income-based package like everyone else.

+1

I think OP is just demonstrating that she or he is a racist idiot.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP, just MYOB. You probably don't really know what they are.

OP here. Unfortunately I do. It's not even close with one parent. The other parent is probably pushing the boundary. It's sad. Is probably saying the family is a percentage of this or that race because of some skin coloring. Looking for an advantage to not have to be full pay. Disheartening.

Financial aid does not change based on race/ethnicity.

Whatever you think you are gleaning from conversations with these people isn't how things actually work.

[Anonymous]

I am an ESOL teacher and all of my students are Hispanic. The vast majority of them are white. Hispanic is an ethnicity, not a race. I have a few Hispanic students who are black. They are from the Dominican Republic. My own son is half Hispanic. His father is from Mexico. My son will check the Hispanic box because that is what he is. If the school really only wants low-income Hispanic students, I don't think it will be too difficult to figure out which ones fit that description.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Schools aren’t going to check. I know a fair skinned, blonde boy who is 50% black. His black parent is fair skinned plus he got every recessive gene there is. Blue eyes. But he’s legitimately 50% black and can claim URM.

I know several kids like this who also identified as such on applications. A set of siblings are also blond and blue-eyed and their father is also very light skinned. In terms of descent, he's probably not 50% black since his one parent probably isn't even 50% black. Still, it does count.

- a biracial woman married to a Black man

PP. I sort of do have a question about this though. My kids definitely pass as black since they got my genes as well, but my light-skinned sister-in-law is married to a blond, blue-eyed Swede and her kids are also blond and blue-eyed. Since my kids are a little bit older, she called me the other day asking for advice about college admissions; she doesn't know if her kids technically count as URM since percentage-wise, they are probably more white than black. Also, my husband doesn't come from a family very involved in the local black community since he and his biological siblings were adopted by white parents. The kids spend part of their summer in Sweden where they are virtually indistinguishable from the local Swedish kids and are culturally more European. I told her that she could technically do this, although we both have some reservations since our kids come from multiracial, multicultural financially-privileged households. WWYD?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why should white Europeans from the Iberian Peninsula get an admissions boost?

And white European-Americans whose parents spent a few years growing up in Argentina?