Fake URM

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The anxiety is palpable.

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Make admissions race blind and equitable and you’ll eliminate all of these ridiculous games.

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My wealthy, well-educated cousins were afforded every opportunity. They also checked the Hispanic box years ago for college admissions, since technically their father is from South America.

It happens all the time, OP. No system is perfect. I'd rather have a system based strictly on academic merit, with financial aid based on financial documents and verified by the IRS.

WTF. They ARE Hispanic and Latino if their father is from South America. Wealth has nothing to do with identity, unless you are a racist that thinks all Latinos are poor and uneducated. Not checking the Hispanic box would be lying about their identity.

This too is murky. Dh has parents who were born in Argentina but their parents were European from Europe. His parents grew up at moved to the US. (He never checks the Hispanic box but..) Is he Hispanic (he never checks this box). He grew up in a Spanish speaking household. Had his parents spoke Yiddish would that change your mind ? What if his parents had been born in Argentina but moved here at age 6?

The whole system is rough around the edges. No way about it. Dh doesn’t check the box because he has had every advantage. I’d hope others were reasonable in this way but there are always exceptions.

Are you implying that the Jews in Argentina or Mexico or Venezuela are not Hispanic?

I thought Hispanic meant that the primary language was Spanish? (I'm super not Hispanic at all; not PP.) So presumably Jews whose primary language was Yiddish would not consider themselves Hispanic? Although tbf if you live in a Spanish-dominant country, you probably use Spanish as much as whatever language you speak at home, so you probably count. Also this means (I think) Brazilians are Latin@ but not Hispanic, right?

No, Hispanic means that they come from a country whose primary language is Spanish. Latino includes Brazil but not Spain. Back to Hispanic - It doesn't necessarily mean that the language spoken at home is Spanish. It can be, for example, Nahuatl or Guarani. And yes, it can be Yiddish.

There have been, of course, many immigrants to South America. Whether or not a particularly family is Hispanic takes into account how long they were in the country. For example, I know of Argentines who were of Italian descent but have been there for generations now. I also know of someone who fled Iran and just happened to be born in South America but left as an infant. They were only there a few years - until the parents were able to get to the U.S. - and do not share the culture or language of that country nor were they ever citizens.

Except Brazilians speak Portuguese, not Spanish.

I'm not sure what your point is. Brazilians are Latino; they are not Hispanic. This is exactly why most of the time, the category is Hispanic/ Latino - so that it includes both Spaniards and Brazilians.

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Anonymous wrote:Why should white Europeans from the Iberian Peninsula get an admissions boost?

They do not get one. You need to learn more about college admissions.

Actually, you need to learn more about college admissions. Blacks and Hispanics are underrepresented in most higher education. There are many initiatives to increase their enrollment and retention. In order to administer those initiatives, they need to know who falls within those categories. Just read the Harvard lawsuit (and other similar cases). The data shows that Blacks and Hispanics get lower admissions standards. That's a fact. Whether you think that is right is an opinion. My point is...don't gaslight people into thinking there is no advantage to which box you check. People understand that there are consequences to which box they check.

Oh my God you are so incredibly stupid. Did you even read the posts you were responding to? Do you have the ability to even comprehend them?

I will spell it out extremely slowly for you. The top post in this thread references white Europeans from the Iberian Peninsula. The Iberian Peninsula refers to Spain. Under the definition of Hispanic used by the federal government, Hispanic includes those from the Iberian Peninsula. They are therefore properly identified as Hispanic in college admissions.

However, college applications ask for race and ethnicity. These are different boxes and are asking for different information. People who are from the Iberian Peninsula will generally select “white” for race, although not everyone from the Iberian Peninsula is white. White Hispanics — people whose race is white but whose ethnicity is Hispanic — do not get admissions preferences.

It seems to me that your own college education failed you spectacularly, and maybe you should be a little less worried about where other people are being educated and focus on your own shortcomings.

Source for claim Hispanic, but white, doesn't constitute a minority for college admissions purposes?

Are you the stupid PP from above? I’m not doing your work for you. Learn some basics, improve your failings, and educate yourself.

No, stupid, I'm not. The only "failing" is your attempt to put down Hispanics here.

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My father was born in South America to Jewish parents escaping the Holocaust. This was in 1952. When I applied to college in 2000 there was no way I would have fathomed checking Hispanic. You can surely bet my daughter will be checking Hispanic when she applies to college! This game is sickening and absurd.

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DCUM is a swamp.

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My wealthy, well-educated cousins were afforded every opportunity. They also checked the Hispanic box years ago for college admissions, since technically their father is from South America.

It happens all the time, OP. No system is perfect. I'd rather have a system based strictly on academic merit, with financial aid based on financial documents and verified by the IRS.

This. Case in point: Friend A: parents emigrated to Costa Rica from SC when friend was about 12. When applying for college, she applied as Hispanic, in spite of not even holding a passport other than US. "But I iiiideeennttiiiiffyyyy as Hispanic".

Friend B: Grandparents immigrated to the US from Spain. Identified as Hispanic, because technically Spanish speaking--nevermind that Spaniards are White Europeans.


Absurd.

Friend A is lying. But Friend B is indeed Hispanic, no technicality about it. Universities are well aware there are white Hispanics. Hispanic does not mean “not white.”

The ignorance of DCUM posters regarding Latino and Hispanic identity is shocking at times.

I’ve seen for years here the disregard and negative feelings towards white Hispanics here. It’s really shocking and disgusting. Not white enough for the DCUM whites but not brown/struggle enough to “count” according to them.

Agree. People are so ignorant. What do Hispanics look like? They come in all colors. Spent years living in Mexico. Spouse and children are Mexican. My Mexican family comes in a wide variety of colors. How offensive of some to claim they are not Hispanic because they are white. You know there are poor white Mexicans in Mexico.

Generally speaking when people think "Hispanic" they don't think Spanish, since they are European and hardly an URM. Yes, they come from a Spanish speaking country...Spain, obviously. But the whole "hispanic" thing was essentialy designed for South/Latin America. It's more associated with Latino/Hispanic, not with being a European. Otherwise you'd include Italy and Greece and other European countries.

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Question — do the apps ask where parents are born?

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Anonymous wrote:Question — do the apps ask where parents are born?

no

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Anonymous wrote:Why should white Europeans from the Iberian Peninsula get an admissions boost?

They do not get one. You need to learn more about college admissions.

Actually, you need to learn more about college admissions. Blacks and Hispanics are underrepresented in most higher education. There are many initiatives to increase their enrollment and retention. In order to administer those initiatives, they need to know who falls within those categories. Just read the Harvard lawsuit (and other similar cases). The data shows that Blacks and Hispanics get lower admissions standards. That's a fact. Whether you think that is right is an opinion. My point is...don't gaslight people into thinking there is no advantage to which box you check. People understand that there are consequences to which box they check.

Oh my God you are so incredibly stupid. Did you even read the posts you were responding to? Do you have the ability to even comprehend them?

I will spell it out extremely slowly for you. The top post in this thread references white Europeans from the Iberian Peninsula. The Iberian Peninsula refers to Spain. Under the definition of Hispanic used by the federal government, Hispanic includes those from the Iberian Peninsula. They are therefore properly identified as Hispanic in college admissions.

However, college applications ask for race and ethnicity. These are different boxes and are asking for different information. People who are from the Iberian Peninsula will generally select “white” for race, although not everyone from the Iberian Peninsula is white. White Hispanics — people whose race is white but whose ethnicity is Hispanic — do not get admissions preferences.

It seems to me that your own college education failed you spectacularly, and maybe you should be a little less worried about where other people are being educated and focus on your own shortcomings.

Source for claim Hispanic, but white, doesn't constitute a minority for college admissions purposes?

Are you the stupid PP from above? I’m not doing your work for you. Learn some basics, improve your failings, and educate yourself.

DP here. I picked GW and here are the stats on the undergraduate class as they track them:
https://irp.gwu.edu/sites/g/files/zaxdzs2501/f/downloads/Factsheet%20Fall%202020.pdf

Notice it has "Race and Ethnicity" and the pie chart adds up to 100%. They have pie pieces for white, asian, black, and hispanic (among others). So... someone who indicates they are white hispanic -- I guess they end up in the hispanic pie in that chart?

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Anonymous wrote:Why should white Europeans from the Iberian Peninsula get an admissions boost?

They do not get one. You need to learn more about college admissions.

Actually, you need to learn more about college admissions. Blacks and Hispanics are underrepresented in most higher education. There are many initiatives to increase their enrollment and retention. In order to administer those initiatives, they need to know who falls within those categories. Just read the Harvard lawsuit (and other similar cases). The data shows that Blacks and Hispanics get lower admissions standards. That's a fact. Whether you think that is right is an opinion. My point is...don't gaslight people into thinking there is no advantage to which box you check. People understand that there are consequences to which box they check.

Oh my God you are so incredibly stupid. Did you even read the posts you were responding to? Do you have the ability to even comprehend them?

I will spell it out extremely slowly for you. The top post in this thread references white Europeans from the Iberian Peninsula. The Iberian Peninsula refers to Spain. Under the definition of Hispanic used by the federal government, Hispanic includes those from the Iberian Peninsula. They are therefore properly identified as Hispanic in college admissions.

However, college applications ask for race and ethnicity. These are different boxes and are asking for different information. People who are from the Iberian Peninsula will generally select “white” for race, although not everyone from the Iberian Peninsula is white. White Hispanics — people whose race is white but whose ethnicity is Hispanic — do not get admissions preferences.

It seems to me that your own college education failed you spectacularly, and maybe you should be a little less worried about where other people are being educated and focus on your own shortcomings.

Source for claim Hispanic, but white, doesn't constitute a minority for college admissions purposes?

Are you the stupid PP from above? I’m not doing your work for you. Learn some basics, improve your failings, and educate yourself.

DP here. I picked GW and here are the stats on the undergraduate class as they track them:
https://irp.gwu.edu/sites/g/files/zaxdzs2501/f/downloads/Factsheet%20Fall%202020.pdf

Notice it has "Race and Ethnicity" and the pie chart adds up to 100%. They have pie pieces for white, asian, black, and hispanic (among others). So... someone who indicates they are white hispanic -- I guess they end up in the hispanic pie in that chart?

NP: yes, because the required reporting to the Federal government doesn’t separate white Hispanic.

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I trace my lineage to Queen Isabella. So we always check the Hispanic box.

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Anonymous wrote:My father was born in South America to Jewish parents escaping the Holocaust. This was in 1952. When I applied to college in 2000 there was no way I would have fathomed checking Hispanic. You can surely bet my daughter will be checking Hispanic when she applies to college! This game is sickening and absurd.

If you think the game is “sickening and absurd,” why are you playing it? Seems like you are willing to do whatever it takes to get an advantage over others and compromise your daughter’s integrity in the process. For the rest of her life she always have that knowledge, like a pebble in her shoe. That seems pretty sickening to me.

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Anonymous wrote:Why should white Europeans from the Iberian Peninsula get an admissions boost?

They do not get one. You need to learn more about college admissions.

Actually, you need to learn more about college admissions. Blacks and Hispanics are underrepresented in most higher education. There are many initiatives to increase their enrollment and retention. In order to administer those initiatives, they need to know who falls within those categories. Just read the Harvard lawsuit (and other similar cases). The data shows that Blacks and Hispanics get lower admissions standards. That's a fact. Whether you think that is right is an opinion. My point is...don't gaslight people into thinking there is no advantage to which box you check. People understand that there are consequences to which box they check.

Oh my God you are so incredibly stupid. Did you even read the posts you were responding to? Do you have the ability to even comprehend them?

I will spell it out extremely slowly for you. The top post in this thread references white Europeans from the Iberian Peninsula. The Iberian Peninsula refers to Spain. Under the definition of Hispanic used by the federal government, Hispanic includes those from the Iberian Peninsula. They are therefore properly identified as Hispanic in college admissions.

However, college applications ask for race and ethnicity. These are different boxes and are asking for different information. People who are from the Iberian Peninsula will generally select “white” for race, although not everyone from the Iberian Peninsula is white. White Hispanics — people whose race is white but whose ethnicity is Hispanic — do not get admissions preferences.

It seems to me that your own college education failed you spectacularly, and maybe you should be a little less worried about where other people are being educated and focus on your own shortcomings.

Source for claim Hispanic, but white, doesn't constitute a minority for college admissions purposes?

Are you the stupid PP from above? I’m not doing your work for you. Learn some basics, improve your failings, and educate yourself.

DP here. I picked GW and here are the stats on the undergraduate class as they track them:
https://irp.gwu.edu/sites/g/files/zaxdzs2501/f/downloads/Factsheet%20Fall%202020.pdf

Notice it has "Race and Ethnicity" and the pie chart adds up to 100%. They have pie pieces for white, asian, black, and hispanic (among others). So... someone who indicates they are white hispanic -- I guess they end up in the hispanic pie in that chart?

NP: yes, because the required reporting to the Federal government doesn’t separate white Hispanic.

Many Hispanics are Mestizo, a combination of white and indigenous. Mestizo would be the missing category, but White is not wrong. Accordingly, most Hispanics from Mexico, Central and South America end up checking White.

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Anonymous wrote:Why should white Europeans from the Iberian Peninsula get an admissions boost?

They do not get one. You need to learn more about college admissions.

Actually, you need to learn more about college admissions. Blacks and Hispanics are underrepresented in most higher education. There are many initiatives to increase their enrollment and retention. In order to administer those initiatives, they need to know who falls within those categories. Just read the Harvard lawsuit (and other similar cases). The data shows that Blacks and Hispanics get lower admissions standards. That's a fact. Whether you think that is right is an opinion. My point is...don't gaslight people into thinking there is no advantage to which box you check. People understand that there are consequences to which box they check.

Oh my God you are so incredibly stupid. Did you even read the posts you were responding to? Do you have the ability to even comprehend them?

I will spell it out extremely slowly for you. The top post in this thread references white Europeans from the Iberian Peninsula. The Iberian Peninsula refers to Spain. Under the definition of Hispanic used by the federal government, Hispanic includes those from the Iberian Peninsula. They are therefore properly identified as Hispanic in college admissions.

However, college applications ask for race and ethnicity. These are different boxes and are asking for different information. People who are from the Iberian Peninsula will generally select “white” for race, although not everyone from the Iberian Peninsula is white. White Hispanics — people whose race is white but whose ethnicity is Hispanic — do not get admissions preferences.

It seems to me that your own college education failed you spectacularly, and maybe you should be a little less worried about where other people are being educated and focus on your own shortcomings.

Source for claim Hispanic, but white, doesn't constitute a minority for college admissions purposes?

Are you the stupid PP from above? I’m not doing your work for you. Learn some basics, improve your failings, and educate yourself.

DP here. I picked GW and here are the stats on the undergraduate class as they track them:
https://irp.gwu.edu/sites/g/files/zaxdzs2501/f/downloads/Factsheet%20Fall%202020.pdf

Notice it has "Race and Ethnicity" and the pie chart adds up to 100%. They have pie pieces for white, asian, black, and hispanic (among others). So... someone who indicates they are white hispanic -- I guess they end up in the hispanic pie in that chart?

NP: yes, because the required reporting to the Federal government doesn’t separate white Hispanic.

Many Hispanics are Mestizo, a combination of white and indigenous. Mestizo would be the missing category, but White is not wrong. Accordingly, most Hispanics from Mexico, Central and South America end up checking White.

Hispanic is an ethnicity, not a race