Fake URM

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My wealthy, well-educated cousins were afforded every opportunity. They also checked the Hispanic box years ago for college admissions, since technically their father is from South America.

It happens all the time, OP. No system is perfect. I'd rather have a system based strictly on academic merit, with financial aid based on financial documents and verified by the IRS.

WTF. They ARE Hispanic and Latino if their father is from South America. Wealth has nothing to do with identity, unless you are a racist that thinks all Latinos are poor and uneducated. Not checking the Hispanic box would be lying about their identity.

This too is murky. Dh has parents who were born in Argentina but their parents were European from Europe. His parents grew up at moved to the US. (He never checks the Hispanic box but..) Is he Hispanic (he never checks this box). He grew up in a Spanish speaking household. Had his parents spoke Yiddish would that change your mind ? What if his parents had been born in Argentina but moved here at age 6?

The whole system is rough around the edges. No way about it. Dh doesn’t check the box because he has had every advantage. I’d hope others were reasonable in this way but there are always exceptions.

Sure. Of course it is murky. I strongly, strongly disagree that your husband is being “reasonable” by default, though. Hiding his identity and being ashamed of being Latino is not a reasonable position. I would hope that most people with identities like your husband’s proudly check the box.

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Dh is not ashamed of his identity. He identifies as an upper middle class Jewish son of a doctor who grew up in a fancy suburb and was full pay for college. He is 100% Ashkenasi Jew by ancestry. He doesn’t even speak Spanish because his nursery school teachers told his parents to speak English around him. Yet everything I wrote above is true.

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Anonymous wrote:I have always checked the hispanic box for my children. There is no way anyone can verify so why would you not??

Many college applications require the applicants to certify that they have answered all questions truthfully, and list the penalties for lying such as expulsion and revocation of degrees. It will be hanging over your kids' heads forever.

There is no need to respond seriously to a racist lying troll.

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Being Hispanic/LatinX is not going to give anyone an admissions boost by itself.

You have to be Hispanic/LatinX and low income or first gen to get a boost in admissions. Your zip code is a bigger boost than checking any box on the application.

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Anonymous wrote:Why should white Europeans from the Iberian Peninsula get an admissions boost?

They do not get one. You need to learn more about college admissions.

Actually, you need to learn more about college admissions. Blacks and Hispanics are underrepresented in most higher education. There are many initiatives to increase their enrollment and retention. In order to administer those initiatives, they need to know who falls within those categories. Just read the Harvard lawsuit (and other similar cases). The data shows that Blacks and Hispanics get lower admissions standards. That's a fact. Whether you think that is right is an opinion. My point is...don't gaslight people into thinking there is no advantage to which box you check. People understand that there are consequences to which box they check.

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Anonymous wrote:name names or it didn't happen.

Do you just post this same response over and over? Names or not things happen. This is an anonymous board.

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Anonymous wrote:Under Represented Minority

And just what is that anyway?

Ae you kidding?

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I don't know why people don't believe this. There was a survey that said 34% of white college applicants lie about their race or ethnicity. Most common is claiming Native American. Honestly you'd be stupid not to lie since it's clearly not verified or verifiable

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OP here. Its sort of one of those things like that woman who proclaimed they were a different race and had extensions and braids and stuff added to her hair to make her seem more authentic. Everyone believed it for a long time. Well, this family is trying to do the same. No spray tan but definitely playing up a slightly tanner skin tone and exotic look to associate as AA. They are not. All for $.

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Anonymous wrote:Concerned that a friend is trying to pass off kid as being urm. Seeing signs that it may be working. Student is not urm at all, but parent is trying to make others believe there is a connect. I think it’s shameful. The family has money but wants to try for urm to get discounted costs. Wondering how schools verify this.

Wondering if this is a troll post.

There is no URM "discount."

The parent can't pass off the kid. The kid answers federal race and ethnicity questions in the app.

If they care to check, a college admissions office can ask the high school counselor what box is checked on the high school/district registration forms.

If a kid is found to be lying in the app, the kid may be subject to penalties that include not getting in, getting kicked out after matriculation, or down the road getting stripped of the degree.

Link me to one example of where someone claimed to be a race they weren't and this happened. I bet you won't find anything.

The issue is lying. While uncommon, admission has been revoked for lying in college apps, e.g., admission to Penn revoked for lying about death of mother https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/16/us/college-admission-applications.html

Or here: "The college admissions scandal mom who falsely claimed her son was African-American and Hispanic to increase his chances of getting into a top college was sentenced to three weeks in prison on Wednesday." https://nypost.com/2019/10/17/mom-who-lied-about-sons-ethnicity-on-college-apps-gets-3-weeks-in-jail/

There are people on this board advocating that people should lie about whether they are Hispanic depending on their wealth.

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My wealthy, well-educated cousins were afforded every opportunity. They also checked the Hispanic box years ago for college admissions, since technically their father is from South America.

It happens all the time, OP. No system is perfect. I'd rather have a system based strictly on academic merit, with financial aid based on financial documents and verified by the IRS.

This. Case in point: Friend A: parents emigrated to Costa Rica from SC when friend was about 12. When applying for college, she applied as Hispanic, in spite of not even holding a passport other than US. "But I iiiideeennttiiiiffyyyy as Hispanic".

Friend B: Grandparents immigrated to the US from Spain. Identified as Hispanic, because technically Spanish speaking--nevermind that Spaniards are White Europeans.


Absurd.

My mother was born in Cuba and came here as a teen. My son is therefore 1/4 Cuban. He checked the Hispanic box. We are well off. He got into every school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't know why people don't believe this. There was a survey that said 34% of white college applicants lie about their race or ethnicity. Most common is claiming Native American. Honestly you'd be stupid not to lie since it's clearly not verified or verifiable

Where was this survey? If this were true, the % of Native Americans in college would skyrocket, and it only changed slightly. Just think about what these numbers imply.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know why people don't believe this. There was a survey that said 34% of white college applicants lie about their race or ethnicity. Most common is claiming Native American. Honestly you'd be stupid not to lie since it's clearly not verified or verifiable

Where was this survey? If this were true, the % of Native Americans in college would skyrocket, and it only changed slightly. Just think about what these numbers imply.

https://www.insidehighered.com/admissions/article/2021/10/25/survey-asks-if-applicants-are-truthful-about-race

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know why people don't believe this. There was a survey that said 34% of white college applicants lie about their race or ethnicity. Most common is claiming Native American. Honestly you'd be stupid not to lie since it's clearly not verified or verifiable

Where was this survey? If this were true, the % of Native Americans in college would skyrocket, and it only changed slightly. Just think about what these numbers imply.

https://www.insidehighered.com/admissions/article/2021/10/25/survey-asks-if-applicants-are-truthful-about-race

That was basically a buzzfeed survey. Not accurate. It was discussed in this forum at length.

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Anonymous wrote:Concerned that a friend is trying to pass off kid as being urm. Seeing signs that it may be working. Student is not urm at all, but parent is trying to make others believe there is a connect. I think it’s shameful. The family has money but wants to try for urm to get discounted costs. Wondering how schools verify this.

It doesn’t save money, but it may help with admissions if they are on the bubble. Low income and first generation of any ethnicity garner more money and better admissions with similar stats.

The only stretch I have seen is ticking the box for AA when a parent is from North Africa. A slight stretch as obviously North Africa is in Africa and, their heritage is from one of the lower regarded minority populations in their parent’s country of origin. They did not qualify on first Gen as both parents have terminal degrees and they had a decent income (dual level higher ranked Feds).

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My wealthy, well-educated cousins were afforded every opportunity. They also checked the Hispanic box years ago for college admissions, since technically their father is from South America.

It happens all the time, OP. No system is perfect. I'd rather have a system based strictly on academic merit, with financial aid based on financial documents and verified by the IRS.

This. Case in point: Friend A: parents emigrated to Costa Rica from SC when friend was about 12. When applying for college, she applied as Hispanic, in spite of not even holding a passport other than US. "But I iiiideeennttiiiiffyyyy as Hispanic".

Friend B: Grandparents immigrated to the US from Spain. Identified as Hispanic, because technically Spanish speaking--nevermind that Spaniards are White Europeans.


Absurd.

Friend A is lying. But Friend B is indeed Hispanic, no technicality about it. Universities are well aware there are white Hispanics. Hispanic does not mean “not white.”

The ignorance of DCUM posters regarding Latino and Hispanic identity is shocking at times.

I’ve seen for years here the disregard and negative feelings towards white Hispanics here. It’s really shocking and disgusting. Not white enough for the DCUM whites but not brown/struggle enough to “count” according to them.

Agree. People are so ignorant. What do Hispanics look like? They come in all colors. Spent years living in Mexico. Spouse and children are Mexican. My Mexican family comes in a wide variety of colors. How offensive of some to claim they are not Hispanic because they are white. You know there are poor white Mexicans in Mexico.