The cruelty and misogyny of forced birth politics

[Anonymous]

Could you imagine moving to Texas or FL and then having the laws changed like this? Between the pro-life laws and the anti-LGBT stuff in these states, I would be looking to get TF out of there. Who knows what next.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Could you imagine moving to Texas or FL and then having the laws changed like this? Between the pro-life laws and the anti-LGBT stuff in these states, I would be looking to get TF out of there. Who knows what next.

Please use the correct term.
These laws are forced birth.
Words matter.

[Anonymous]

Idaho to Texas & Tennessee, “hold my beer.”

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Anonymous wrote:Idaho to Texas & Tennessee, “hold my beer.”

Have the obedient forced birther female voters figured it out yet? The net is closing on you, too.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know of a good lawyer to follow on Twitter about the abortion fight? I follow Marc Elias for info on voting rights lawsuits and it makes me feel so much better to hear from someone "in the trenches" actually doing something. Anyone similar for abortion lawsuits?

Imani Gandy (though she does insist on using the tedious “pregnant people”) https://twitter.com/AngryBlackLady?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor and Jessica Mason Pieklo https://twitter.com/Hegemommy?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

At first I found “pregnant people” tedious, but a shocking number on the right wing actually need reminders that cis/straight women are, in fact, people, as opposed to hosts for the glorious, God-sustained fetus. To say nothing of the folks that don’t identify as women. So I’m ok with it. Pregnant humans, citizens that are pregnant, humans that are actively sustaining potential humans by their blood and organs, whatever it takes.

Potential human? A human is a human. Nothing on earth changes from non-human to human.

No. Stop it.

It is not equal to the women carrying it.

WOMEN FIRST!

all humans are equal

Nothing is human until it is born. If it can't survive on its own it is not human.

A 6 month old baby is born and can’t survive on his or her own. A born toddler or preschool child is born but can’t survive on his or her own. Apparently according to dcum baby killers, those children aren’t human.

A baby inside it’s mom is a human in early stages of development. Thread calling people monsters is really monsters openly admitting they don’t feel babies aren’t human and are ok with killing them. Sick people here.

Adult humans on life support can’t survive on his or her own, do they lose the human classification during that time? What about children that mature into adults but are born with physical or mental disabilities and will never be able to care for themselves? Are they human?

You are just being purposely stupid.

If it can't live without a host, by definition it is a parasite. I am not required to give over my body to anyone else for it to survive.

I'm pro-Shiite but you are a vile human being. Growing a child inside of you is an incredible gift we are given and blessed to be able to do. It is not a parasite. I look at my daughter in wonder and think how is this possible, she's so perfect. A billion things have to go right for her to be here like this....it's a wonder of science and a blessing from God.

And I was born grossly deformed, far from perfect. A couple of things went wrong and then oops, here’s a malformed one, unfixable and very expensive to raise. I guess I wasn’t a blessing from God. According to your logic I must be punishment from God.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"I'm really trying to understand your logic". LOL

No one can use someone's body without permission. Not for pregnancy. Not for sex. Not for body parts or fluids. Not to enhance mass vaccination goals. Your right to decide or do anything to my body stops at my skin.

Permission can be revoked at any time. If we are having sex and I say stop, you stop. If you are drawing blood and I say stop, you stop. If I get once covid shot then decide not to get anymore, I don't have to get anymore. If I am pregnant and decide to stop, that is my choice and my right.

You’re naive. Permission is only necessary for those not in power. Those in power take what they want regardless of your “permission”. The police take you into custody without your permission. A bully knocks you down without permission. A judge takes your freedom without your permission. Government takes your life, your money and your right to choose without your permission. That’s the way it is. So if you really want to affect change towards your political philosophies, you need to gain power.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know of a good lawyer to follow on Twitter about the abortion fight? I follow Marc Elias for info on voting rights lawsuits and it makes me feel so much better to hear from someone "in the trenches" actually doing something. Anyone similar for abortion lawsuits?

Imani Gandy (though she does insist on using the tedious “pregnant people”) https://twitter.com/AngryBlackLady?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor and Jessica Mason Pieklo https://twitter.com/Hegemommy?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

At first I found “pregnant people” tedious, but a shocking number on the right wing actually need reminders that cis/straight women are, in fact, people, as opposed to hosts for the glorious, God-sustained fetus. To say nothing of the folks that don’t identify as women. So I’m ok with it. Pregnant humans, citizens that are pregnant, humans that are actively sustaining potential humans by their blood and organs, whatever it takes.

Potential human? A human is a human. Nothing on earth changes from non-human to human.

No. Stop it.

It is not equal to the women carrying it.

WOMEN FIRST!

all humans are equal

Nothing is human until it is born. If it can't survive on its own it is not human.

A 6 month old baby is born and can’t survive on his or her own. A born toddler or preschool child is born but can’t survive on his or her own. Apparently according to dcum baby killers, those children aren’t human.

A baby inside it’s mom is a human in early stages of development. Thread calling people monsters is really monsters openly admitting they don’t feel babies aren’t human and are ok with killing them. Sick people here.

Adult humans on life support can’t survive on his or her own, do they lose the human classification during that time? What about children that mature into adults but are born with physical or mental disabilities and will never be able to care for themselves? Are they human?

You are just being purposely stupid.

If it can't live without a host, by definition it is a parasite. I am not required to give over my body to anyone else for it to survive.

I'm pro-Shiite but you are a vile human being. Growing a child inside of you is an incredible gift we are given and blessed to be able to do. It is not a parasite. I look at my daughter in wonder and think how is this possible, she's so perfect. A billion things have to go right for her to be here like this....it's a wonder of science and a blessing from God.

And I was born grossly deformed, far from perfect. A couple of things went wrong and then oops, here’s a malformed one, unfixable and very expensive to raise. I guess I wasn’t a blessing from God. According to your logic I must be punishment from God.

If your parents accepted that responsibility, good for them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:"I'm really trying to understand your logic". LOL

No one can use someone's body without permission. Not for pregnancy. Not for sex. Not for body parts or fluids. Not to enhance mass vaccination goals. Your right to decide or do anything to my body stops at my skin.

Permission can be revoked at any time. If we are having sex and I say stop, you stop. If you are drawing blood and I say stop, you stop. If I get once covid shot then decide not to get anymore, I don't have to get anymore. If I am pregnant and decide to stop, that is my choice and my right.

You’re naive. Permission is only necessary for those not in power. Those in power take what they want regardless of your “permission”. The police take you into custody without your permission. A bully knocks you down without permission. A judge takes your freedom without your permission. Government takes your life, your money and your right to choose without your permission. That’s the way it is. So if you really want to affect change towards your political philosophies, you need to gain power.

I think we all understand there are circumstances when you give up your rights. Such as when you commit a crime.
Pregnancy is not one of those times.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:"I'm really trying to understand your logic". LOL

No one can use someone's body without permission. Not for pregnancy. Not for sex. Not for body parts or fluids. Not to enhance mass vaccination goals. Your right to decide or do anything to my body stops at my skin.

Permission can be revoked at any time. If we are having sex and I say stop, you stop. If you are drawing blood and I say stop, you stop. If I get once covid shot then decide not to get anymore, I don't have to get anymore. If I am pregnant and decide to stop, that is my choice and my right.

You’re naive. Permission is only necessary for those not in power. Those in power take what they want regardless of your “permission”. The police take you into custody without your permission. A bully knocks you down without permission. A judge takes your freedom without your permission. Government takes your life, your money and your right to choose without your permission. That’s the way it is. So if you really want to affect change towards your political philosophies, you need to gain power.

I think we all understand there are circumstances when you give up your rights. Such as when you commit a crime.
Pregnancy is not one of those times.

I think the PP’s point is that women and those that love them need to start doing what it takes to get the power necessary to shut this down. The right wing loonies are always talking about the Second Amendment as a check to government overreach. Maybe it’s time to arm up, ladies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"I'm really trying to understand your logic". LOL

No one can use someone's body without permission. Not for pregnancy. Not for sex. Not for body parts or fluids. Not to enhance mass vaccination goals. Your right to decide or do anything to my body stops at my skin.

Permission can be revoked at any time. If we are having sex and I say stop, you stop. If you are drawing blood and I say stop, you stop. If I get once covid shot then decide not to get anymore, I don't have to get anymore. If I am pregnant and decide to stop, that is my choice and my right.

You’re naive. Permission is only necessary for those not in power. Those in power take what they want regardless of your “permission”. The police take you into custody without your permission. A bully knocks you down without permission. A judge takes your freedom without your permission. Government takes your life, your money and your right to choose without your permission. That’s the way it is. So if you really want to affect change towards your political philosophies, you need to gain power.

I think we all understand there are circumstances when you give up your rights. Such as when you commit a crime.
Pregnancy is not one of those times.

I think the PP’s point is that women and those that love them need to start doing what it takes to get the power necessary to shut this down. The right wing loonies are always talking about the Second Amendment as a check to government overreach. Maybe it’s time to arm up, ladies.

And what? Start shooting forced birthers harassing people at existing clinics? I’m not sure that murdering forced birthers does anything for women’s rights. But now that I think of the history of the forced birther movement, the forced birther nutjobs have a history of harassing and intimidating women seeking any kind of cervical or uterine related service (be that a pap smear or birth control or an abortion), murdering abortion providers and blowing up and burning down clinics and they seem to be getting their way, so perhaps you’re on to something.

[Anonymous]

Kentucky State Senator, Dr. Karen Berg, a radiologist who knows that a 15-week-old fetus is not viable, telling her colleagues that banning abortion won't stop it from happening, but it will lead to women dying.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Could you imagine moving to Texas or FL and then having the laws changed like this? Between the pro-life laws and the anti-LGBT stuff in these states, I would be looking to get TF out of there. Who knows what next.

Please use the correct term.
These laws are forced birth.
Words matter.

DP. I credit this thread with educating me about the term "forced birth". It's absolutely more accurate. These people are the American Taliban and they are not pro-life in any sense of the word "life".

[Anonymous]

If the government can force you to get a vaccination (under penalty of losing your job) then I really don’t see why they can’t also force you to carry a pregnancy against your will, either.


“Body Autonomy” went away last year. It’s gone, and it’s not coming back.

The real irony is the people who were pushing mandatory vaccinations the hardest were often pro-abortion.


Well, you helped create this mess. We now have a precedent of the government forcing you to get something you don’t want put into your body. The same authority you folks were celebrating when it came to giving people shots is now being used in some places to ensure that abortion is eliminated.

You made this. Deal with it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If the government can force you to get a vaccination (under penalty of losing your job) then I really don’t see why they can’t also force you to carry a pregnancy against your will, either.


“Body Autonomy” went away last year. It’s gone, and it’s not coming back.

The real irony is the people who were pushing mandatory vaccinations the hardest were often pro-abortion.


Well, you helped create this mess. We now have a precedent of the government forcing you to get something you don’t want put into your body. The same authority you folks were celebrating when it came to giving people shots is now being used in some places to ensure that abortion is eliminated.

You made this. Deal with it.

Yep. There is a lot of truth to this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If the government can force you to get a vaccination (under penalty of losing your job) then I really don’t see why they can’t also force you to carry a pregnancy against your will, either.


“Body Autonomy” went away last year. It’s gone, and it’s not coming back.

The real irony is the people who were pushing mandatory vaccinations the hardest were often pro-abortion.


Well, you helped create this mess. We now have a precedent of the government forcing you to get something you don’t want put into your body. The same authority you folks were celebrating when it came to giving people shots is now being used in some places to ensure that abortion is eliminated.

You made this. Deal with it.

Vaccine mandates are not new.