The cruelty and misogyny of forced birth politics

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Also, was explain one situation in which the government forced anyone to get a vaccine. I imagine we will be waiting all day because it didn't happen.

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Anonymous wrote:If the government can force you to get a vaccination (under penalty of losing your job) then I really don’t see why they can’t also force you to carry a pregnancy against your will, either.


“Body Autonomy” went away last year. It’s gone, and it’s not coming back.

The real irony is the people who were pushing mandatory vaccinations the hardest were often pro-abortion.


Well, you helped create this mess. We now have a precedent of the government forcing you to get something you don’t want put into your body. The same authority you folks were celebrating when it came to giving people shots is now being used in some places to ensure that abortion is eliminated.

You made this. Deal with it.

What a crock. 100 years of precedence says you need to get shots if you want to be around others so you don't spread sickness and death.

Interestingly, the Supreme Court struck down most government vaccine mandates.

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain the “if something can’t survive on its own then it is not a big deal to abort its life” philosophy to me? Do you apply the same rationale to newborns, elderly people, and severely disabled people?

I’m not aware of any newborns, elderly people, or severely disabled people that need to be tethered to the bodily systems of another human being to survive. Some require organ transplants or blood infusions, but there is no law requiring their friends or family to give it to them.

Heck, in America, a corpse has more rights to its body than a pregnant woman.

It’s this.

PP who’s feigning stupidity, you know we can see through you, right? We cannot compel people to donate blood, pieces of liver, marrow or kidneys. We can’t even take perfectly good live-saving organs after death without the appropriate permission. But forced birthers want to compel women to stay pregnant, and as the Michigan GOP has demonstrated, they want to take away women’s ability not to get pregnant.

Covid vaccine was developed using fetal cells from an abortion. What about that?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8205255/





This blows the whole “fetuses are not people!” argument away. If fetuses aren’t people, why are we using their cells to help people?

And we are using human cells without any consent; the pp that says she couldn’t use one, a single one, of her father’s cells to save her own life got that wrong. We are definitely using cells from aborted babies to save our lives.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Also, was explain one situation in which the government forced anyone to get a vaccine. I imagine we will be waiting all day because it didn't happen.

My sibling had to get vaccinated to stay in the military and keep their military career intact.

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain the “if something can’t survive on its own then it is not a big deal to abort its life” philosophy to me? Do you apply the same rationale to newborns, elderly people, and severely disabled people?

Don't pretend to be stupid. We're not talking about dependent people. We're talking medically. I can remove a living thing - zygote, fetus, baby, whatever you want to call it - from my body if I don't want it there. If it dies because it no longer can use my body, that is my right.

My dad made me. If I get a disease and a SINGLE cell from his body is all the scientists needed to generate a cure for me, but he doesn't want to give me his cell, then I am out of luck. Even if he's a corpse! If he didn't sign an organ donor authorization, I have no claim on any part of his body, even if it's a matter of life and death for me.

We're not talking about parental, familial, or societal obligations to care for other people. We are talking about the ownership and disposal of one's own body. Bodily integrity.

If we citizens cease to own our own bodies, the government owns us. Male or female. Simple.

The fetal cells used to create some covid vaccines: where is the consent there? It’s utterly hypocritical to take these cells and use them (and hiding it) and then preaching bodily autonomy.

Do we have a right to claim these cells? according to you, no. But we do claim and use them and then hide it!

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Anonymous wrote:Also, was explain one situation in which the government forced anyone to get a vaccine. I imagine we will be waiting all day because it didn't happen.

My sibling had to get vaccinated to stay in the military and keep their military career intact.

Was it get the shot or go to prison?

Also he had to have a million other shots for that job.

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Why stop at birth? Ancient Romans let people decide whether to let children up to age 4 live. If the kid didn’t seem to be developing the way they liked, they could kill it without guilt. Choosing to say birth is where we draw the line is just as arbitrary.

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Anonymous wrote:Also, was explain one situation in which the government forced anyone to get a vaccine. I imagine we will be waiting all day because it didn't happen.

My sibling had to get vaccinated to stay in the military and keep their military career intact.

Was it get the shot or go to prison?

Also he had to have a million other shots for that job.

It’s an example of the government forcing someone to get the vaccine. I get you have to move the goalposts once an appropriate example is given.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know of a good lawyer to follow on Twitter about the abortion fight? I follow Marc Elias for info on voting rights lawsuits and it makes me feel so much better to hear from someone "in the trenches" actually doing something. Anyone similar for abortion lawsuits?

Imani Gandy (though she does insist on using the tedious “pregnant people”) https://twitter.com/AngryBlackLady?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor and Jessica Mason Pieklo https://twitter.com/Hegemommy?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

At first I found “pregnant people” tedious, but a shocking number on the right wing actually need reminders that cis/straight women are, in fact, people, as opposed to hosts for the glorious, God-sustained fetus. To say nothing of the folks that don’t identify as women. So I’m ok with it. Pregnant humans, citizens that are pregnant, humans that are actively sustaining potential humans by their blood and organs, whatever it takes.

Potential human? A human is a human. Nothing on earth changes from non-human to human.

No. Stop it.

It is not equal to the women carrying it.

WOMEN FIRST!

all humans are equal

Nothing is human until it is born. If it can't survive on its own it is not human.

A 6 month old baby is born and can’t survive on his or her own. A born toddler or preschool child is born but can’t survive on his or her own. Apparently according to dcum baby killers, those children aren’t human.

A baby inside it’s mom is a human in early stages of development. Thread calling people monsters is really monsters openly admitting they don’t feel babies aren’t human and are ok with killing them. Sick people here.

Adult humans on life support can’t survive on his or her own, do they lose the human classification during that time? What about children that mature into adults but are born with physical or mental disabilities and will never be able to care for themselves? Are they human?

You are just being purposely stupid.

If it can't live without a host, by definition it is a parasite. I am not required to give over my body to anyone else for it to survive.

I'm pro-Shiite but you are a vile human being. Growing a child inside of you is an incredible gift we are given and blessed to be able to do. It is not a parasite. I look at my daughter in wonder and think how is this possible, she's so perfect. A billion things have to go right for her to be here like this....it's a wonder of science and a blessing from God.

And I was born grossly deformed, far from perfect. A couple of things went wrong and then oops, here’s a malformed one, unfixable and very expensive to raise. I guess I wasn’t a blessing from God. According to your logic I must be punishment from God.

You seem self-hating and unhappy with your life and body. Don’t think everyone is like you. Some people are grateful for life and want to live and be happy despite imperfect circumstances. Your feelings are valid, but not valid for other people.

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain the “if something can’t survive on its own then it is not a big deal to abort its life” philosophy to me? Do you apply the same rationale to newborns, elderly people, and severely disabled people?

I’m not aware of any newborns, elderly people, or severely disabled people that need to be tethered to the bodily systems of another human being to survive. Some require organ transplants or blood infusions, but there is no law requiring their friends or family to give it to them.

Heck, in America, a corpse has more rights to its body than a pregnant woman.

It’s this.

PP who’s feigning stupidity, you know we can see through you, right? We cannot compel people to donate blood, pieces of liver, marrow or kidneys. We can’t even take perfectly good live-saving organs after death without the appropriate permission. But forced birthers want to compel women to stay pregnant, and as the Michigan GOP has demonstrated, they want to take away women’s ability not to get pregnant.

Covid vaccine was developed using fetal cells from an abortion. What about that?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8205255/





This blows the whole “fetuses are not people!” argument away. If fetuses aren’t people, why are we using their cells to help people?

And we are using human cells without any consent; the pp that says she couldn’t use one, a single one, of her father’s cells to save her own life got that wrong. We are definitely using cells from aborted babies to save our lives.

Wow.

Cells from an abortion belong to the mother. Consent was given by the person whose body produced the cells. This really doesn’t even warrant a response but I am feeling generous this morning.

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Anonymous wrote:Also, was explain one situation in which the government forced anyone to get a vaccine. I imagine we will be waiting all day because it didn't happen.

My sibling had to get vaccinated to stay in the military and keep their military career intact.

Was it get the shot or go to prison?

Also he had to have a million other shots for that job.

It’s an example of the government forcing someone to get the vaccine. I get you have to move the goalposts once an appropriate example is given.

No it isn’t. Nobody was ever forced no matter how much you twist logic.

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Anonymous wrote:Why stop at birth? Ancient Romans let people decide whether to let children up to age 4 live. If the kid didn’t seem to be developing the way they liked, they could kill it without guilt. Choosing to say birth is where we draw the line is just as arbitrary.

That doesn’t make any sense at all lol.

Religion has warped the brains of so many people. Look at this “reasoning” we have to listen to!

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain the “if something can’t survive on its own then it is not a big deal to abort its life” philosophy to me? Do you apply the same rationale to newborns, elderly people, and severely disabled people?

I’m not aware of any newborns, elderly people, or severely disabled people that need to be tethered to the bodily systems of another human being to survive. Some require organ transplants or blood infusions, but there is no law requiring their friends or family to give it to them.

Heck, in America, a corpse has more rights to its body than a pregnant woman.

It’s this.

PP who’s feigning stupidity, you know we can see through you, right? We cannot compel people to donate blood, pieces of liver, marrow or kidneys. We can’t even take perfectly good live-saving organs after death without the appropriate permission. But forced birthers want to compel women to stay pregnant, and as the Michigan GOP has demonstrated, they want to take away women’s ability not to get pregnant.

Covid vaccine was developed using fetal cells from an abortion. What about that?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8205255/





This blows the whole “fetuses are not people!” argument away. If fetuses aren’t people, why are we using their cells to help people?

And we are using human cells without any consent; the pp that says she couldn’t use one, a single one, of her father’s cells to save her own life got that wrong. We are definitely using cells from aborted babies to save our lives.

Wow.

Cells from an abortion belong to the mother. Consent was given by the person whose body produced the cells. This really doesn’t even warrant a response but I am feeling generous this morning.

Calling her the mother implies that she was pregnant with a child, her own child. We don’t use cells from man, woman, or child w/o consent. Parents can’t give their children’s organs or blood or cells away.

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain the “if something can’t survive on its own then it is not a big deal to abort its life” philosophy to me? Do you apply the same rationale to newborns, elderly people, and severely disabled people?

I’m not aware of any newborns, elderly people, or severely disabled people that need to be tethered to the bodily systems of another human being to survive. Some require organ transplants or blood infusions, but there is no law requiring their friends or family to give it to them.

Heck, in America, a corpse has more rights to its body than a pregnant woman.

It’s this.

PP who’s feigning stupidity, you know we can see through you, right? We cannot compel people to donate blood, pieces of liver, marrow or kidneys. We can’t even take perfectly good live-saving organs after death without the appropriate permission. But forced birthers want to compel women to stay pregnant, and as the Michigan GOP has demonstrated, they want to take away women’s ability not to get pregnant.

Covid vaccine was developed using fetal cells from an abortion. What about that?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8205255/





This blows the whole “fetuses are not people!” argument away. If fetuses aren’t people, why are we using their cells to help people?

And we are using human cells without any consent; the pp that says she couldn’t use one, a single one, of her father’s cells to save her own life got that wrong. We are definitely using cells from aborted babies to save our lives.

Wow.

Cells from an abortion belong to the mother. Consent was given by the person whose body produced the cells. This really doesn’t even warrant a response but I am feeling generous this morning.

Why didn’t we just use the mother’s cells to develop the covid vaccine? Her body “produced “ these life saving cells?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain the “if something can’t survive on its own then it is not a big deal to abort its life” philosophy to me? Do you apply the same rationale to newborns, elderly people, and severely disabled people?

I’m not aware of any newborns, elderly people, or severely disabled people that need to be tethered to the bodily systems of another human being to survive. Some require organ transplants or blood infusions, but there is no law requiring their friends or family to give it to them.

Heck, in America, a corpse has more rights to its body than a pregnant woman.

It’s this.

PP who’s feigning stupidity, you know we can see through you, right? We cannot compel people to donate blood, pieces of liver, marrow or kidneys. We can’t even take perfectly good live-saving organs after death without the appropriate permission. But forced birthers want to compel women to stay pregnant, and as the Michigan GOP has demonstrated, they want to take away women’s ability not to get pregnant.

Covid vaccine was developed using fetal cells from an abortion. What about that?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8205255/





This blows the whole “fetuses are not people!” argument away. If fetuses aren’t people, why are we using their cells to help people?

And we are using human cells without any consent; the pp that says she couldn’t use one, a single one, of her father’s cells to save her own life got that wrong. We are definitely using cells from aborted babies to save our lives.

Wow.

Cells from an abortion belong to the mother. Consent was given by the person whose body produced the cells. This really doesn’t even warrant a response but I am feeling generous this morning.

Calling her the mother implies that she was pregnant with a child, her own child. We don’t use cells from man, woman, or child w/o consent. Parents can’t give their children’s organs or blood or cells away.

Of course she was pregnant with her child. That’s the only way an abortion can happen!

Her body made the cells. They were her own cells just like the embryo. Her body provided the nutrients and energy for each one of those cells. Without her body the cells are dead. Get it?