DEI st St. Pat’s?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is probably why the training at St. Pats is direly needed and racism exists because parents genuinely do not know but assume they know and then teach their children what they think is best.

"To make sense of this discrepancy, I’ve spent the past few years researching how white people think about race and racism and more specifically, how white parents verbally and nonverbally communicate racial messages to their children. What I learned was that white parents often refrain from speaking with their children about race, racism and racial inequality. If racial discussions do occur they are characterized by a colorblind rhetoric. White parents adopt these practices because they believe it will help them raise a non-racist child. From a sociological perspective though, white parents' racial messages may do more harm than good."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2018/10/05/white-parents-teach-their-children-be-colorblind-heres-why-thats-bad-everyone/

Parents should be able to speak to their children as they wish. Don't you see what happened in Virginia? If you don't cut this out, Trump is going to be back in power. Stop it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is probably why the training at St. Pats is direly needed and racism exists because parents genuinely do not know but assume they know and then teach their children what they think is best.

"To make sense of this discrepancy, I’ve spent the past few years researching how white people think about race and racism and more specifically, how white parents verbally and nonverbally communicate racial messages to their children. What I learned was that white parents often refrain from speaking with their children about race, racism and racial inequality. If racial discussions do occur they are characterized by a colorblind rhetoric. White parents adopt these practices because they believe it will help them raise a non-racist child. From a sociological perspective though, white parents' racial messages may do more harm than good."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2018/10/05/white-parents-teach-their-children-be-colorblind-heres-why-thats-bad-everyone/

I don’t need to be “trained,”’on how to think or what to say, thank you, by my children’s elementary school administrators, who have a rather limited world view themselves. I am not an animal nor an automaton. I have my own very valid experiences and opinions on these issues, which I as a parent will impart to my kids.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is probably why the training at St. Pats is direly needed and racism exists because parents genuinely do not know but assume they know and then teach their children what they think is best.

"To make sense of this discrepancy, I’ve spent the past few years researching how white people think about race and racism and more specifically, how white parents verbally and nonverbally communicate racial messages to their children. What I learned was that white parents often refrain from speaking with their children about race, racism and racial inequality. If racial discussions do occur they are characterized by a colorblind rhetoric. White parents adopt these practices because they believe it will help them raise a non-racist child. From a sociological perspective though, white parents' racial messages may do more harm than good."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2018/10/05/white-parents-teach-their-children-be-colorblind-heres-why-thats-bad-everyone/

I don’t need to be “trained,”’on how to think or what to say, thank you, by my children’s elementary school administrators, who have a rather limited world view themselves. I am not an animal nor an automaton. I have my own very valid experiences and opinions on these issues, which I as a parent will impart to my kids.

From the same article

Most white Americans grow up in majority white environments where they have few neighbors, classmates or friends of color. These mono-racial environments preclude whites from seeing or understanding how race positively or negatively influences people’s social environments or their life chances. It also hinders whites from developing an awareness of themselves as racialized beings and as members of a privileged racial group.

As research demonstrates, identity development is relational. That means people develop an awareness of themselves as a member of a particular group when they spend time around people whom they perceive as being different from them. Hence, if a white person grows up in a mono-racial environment, it is unlikely that they will accord much attention to race. Instead, they will focus on the factors that differentiate themselves and their families from other members of their community — their class status, political affiliation or religion. Over time, race will fade from their view as a meaningful social identity for themselves and others.

When we reflect on the majority white environments in which most white parents raise their children, combined with the color-mute or colorblind messages they relay about race — whites' minimization of racism and racial discrimination is less surprising.

[Anonymous]

Can anyone compare the dei “climate” at st pats with nps and Beauvoir?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:NP here. I agree with the idea of raising your children to be color blind, but part of other groups DEI efforts it’s not about group think, but rather to be aware of experiences. How will our color blind children respond when someone is treated differently due to race/color? Don’t we need to understand/be aware of experiences of others?

Yes- but who is to say which characteristics shape a person most? I’m white and Jewish but I would say that what defined me most was growing up middle class as the daughter of a teacher and secretary in a blue collar town. I am sure there are thousands of Americans of all colors and religions who would argue the same. Each one of us has the right to choose what defines us.

Yes and for many people of color, they would say their race and how they have been treated has been a defining element in their lives.

Absolutely. But that is their story to tell. I have no right to look at someone and make a broad list of assumptions about them based on any characteristic.

Acknowledging race/color does not ask you to make a broad list of assumptions about any individual based on that observation. It asks you to recognize that you do see color (we all do), work to understand your own internalized racial biases, and be open and empathetic to the experiences racialized experiences of others.

This active engagement in the significance of race in broader American society and history will help to abandon the misconception that an equitable society has been achieved; color blindness acts as if racism is part of a bygone era and greatly inhibits our ability to recognize its subtler manifestations and push things forward.

TLDR: Color blindness makes people blind to racism not race.

As a colored person who has experienced daily racism growing up, I COMPLETELY REJECT THIS REASONING. It is RACIST to "look at my color" and make conclusions about me - we do want a colorblind society and I don't want the tyranny of some sociologist who studies racial correlations reducing those to inferences at my individual level no matter how benign or paternalistic the intent of the beholder. It is absolutely disgusting how so-called progressives arrogate to themselves the right to define my experience of race and continue to use it as a daily category of interpersonal relationships.

Thank you for your perspective. Unfortunately, white liberals and progressives claim to know what is best for you more than you know yourself. Welcome to the new racism, which is just as insidious as the old.

People of color and White people should all read this book instead. https://www.npr.org/2021/11/05/1052650979/mcwhorters-new-book-woke-racism-attacks-leading-thinkers-on-race

[Anonymous]

I don't know if anyone can compare the three schools unless they have kiddos at each. DEI @ BVR is present in an inviting way. As a parent, I feel comfortable attending cultural book talks, attending chapel, and reading materials the school sends out. There is a balanced look at diversity. HOS sends communications out on social media across cultures, topics, and religions. One went out this weekend condemning the hate crime against the Jewish community at Union Station and offered parent guidance for small children when traumatic events or news are witnessed. I also remember one communication over MLK weekend. These are moments when I am glad to be in a school that does not have MS or HS.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is probably why the training at St. Pats is direly needed and racism exists because parents genuinely do not know but assume they know and then teach their children what they think is best.

"To make sense of this discrepancy, I’ve spent the past few years researching how white people think about race and racism and more specifically, how white parents verbally and nonverbally communicate racial messages to their children. What I learned was that white parents often refrain from speaking with their children about race, racism and racial inequality. If racial discussions do occur they are characterized by a colorblind rhetoric. White parents adopt these practices because they believe it will help them raise a non-racist child. From a sociological perspective though, white parents' racial messages may do more harm than good."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2018/10/05/white-parents-teach-their-children-be-colorblind-heres-why-thats-bad-everyone/

I don’t need to be “trained,”’on how to think or what to say, thank you, by my children’s elementary school administrators, who have a rather limited world view themselves. I am not an animal nor an automaton. I have my own very valid experiences and opinions on these issues, which I as a parent will impart to my kids.

From the same article

Most white Americans grow up in majority white environments where they have few neighbors, classmates or friends of color. These mono-racial environments preclude whites from seeing or understanding how race positively or negatively influences people’s social environments or their life chances. It also hinders whites from developing an awareness of themselves as racialized beings and as members of a privileged racial group.

As research demonstrates, identity development is relational. That means people develop an awareness of themselves as a member of a particular group when they spend time around people whom they perceive as being different from them. Hence, if a white person grows up in a mono-racial environment, it is unlikely that they will accord much attention to race. Instead, they will focus on the factors that differentiate themselves and their families from other members of their community — their class status, political affiliation or religion. Over time, race will fade from their view as a meaningful social identity for themselves and others.

When we reflect on the majority white environments in which most white parents raise their children, combined with the color-mute or colorblind messages they relay about race — whites' minimization of racism and racial discrimination is less surprising.

So?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is probably why the training at St. Pats is direly needed and racism exists because parents genuinely do not know but assume they know and then teach their children what they think is best.

"To make sense of this discrepancy, I’ve spent the past few years researching how white people think about race and racism and more specifically, how white parents verbally and nonverbally communicate racial messages to their children. What I learned was that white parents often refrain from speaking with their children about race, racism and racial inequality. If racial discussions do occur they are characterized by a colorblind rhetoric. White parents adopt these practices because they believe it will help them raise a non-racist child. From a sociological perspective though, white parents' racial messages may do more harm than good."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2018/10/05/white-parents-teach-their-children-be-colorblind-heres-why-thats-bad-everyone/

Yup as a family of color. This whole thread and the ignorant responses make me realize dc is a scary place for children of color. Again with assumptions of what is best for poc without actually taking the time to learn the issues and spewing out language like marxism and liberalism.

I am genuinely curious how the above poster suggests are good ways to "learn the issues." All during the summer of 2020, we were bombarded with acolytes of Robin D'Angelo that white people should never ask people of color how they feel about this or that issue because it is off putting or offensive, etc. Personally, I found this a bit over the top -- asking strangers certainly seemed inappropriate, but casual friends? Best friends? Yet, it seems the alternative forms of education of these perceptions of other people seem quite inadequate -- relying on articles written by people like D'Angelo making a living selling books and consulting while advancing a particular philosophy. I do believe one can educate oneself on many subjects by reading a variety of authors with different perspectives, but these days I imagine it would take a great deal of work for someone on their own to identify them in a reasonable period of time (because presumably a list from CNN and Fox would be very different). I would begin with the obvious assumption that the views of people of any race or ethnicity are not monolithic, and vary by socio-economic position, geography, age, and other factors -- including the relationship between the person inquiring and the person being asked. But to come back to the start -- how exactly does the above poster suggest is the best way to educated oneself?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm sorry. "Training" for PARENTS? Are you serious?

Yes, it is absolutely imperative that parents learn how to talk about race and equity with their children. You do realize that parents ignoring these things and saying things like "I don't see color" are how we got here, right? If your kids are going to learn about something, you should be able to support them in that at home. A school can reasonably assume that it doesn't have to teach you reading, writing and arithmetic (though a good school will tell you HOW they teach subjects) to be able to reinforce learning at home. It is not reasonable to assume that all parents are going to have a nuanced understanding of this topic, one that is stressful and challenging for many to discuss with good faith and good information.

You’d give Chairman Mao a run for his money. This is frightening.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm sorry. "Training" for PARENTS? Are you serious?

Yes, it is absolutely imperative that parents learn how to talk about race and equity with their children. You do realize that parents ignoring these things and saying things like "I don't see color" are how we got here, right? If your kids are going to learn about something, you should be able to support them in that at home. A school can reasonably assume that it doesn't have to teach you reading, writing and arithmetic (though a good school will tell you HOW they teach subjects) to be able to reinforce learning at home. It is not reasonable to assume that all parents are going to have a nuanced understanding of this topic, one that is stressful and challenging for many to discuss with good faith and good information.

You’d give Chairman Mao a run for his money. This is frightening.

How we got “here?” How we got where? To the point that America is the last, best hope for freedom for the entire world? If so, I agree with you. “I don’t see color” means that freedom is open to anyone. Thanks for pointing that out!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm sorry. "Training" for PARENTS? Are you serious?

Yes, it is absolutely imperative that parents learn how to talk about race and equity with their children. You do realize that parents ignoring these things and saying things like "I don't see color" are how we got here, right? If your kids are going to learn about something, you should be able to support them in that at home. A school can reasonably assume that it doesn't have to teach you reading, writing and arithmetic (though a good school will tell you HOW they teach subjects) to be able to reinforce learning at home. It is not reasonable to assume that all parents are going to have a nuanced understanding of this topic, one that is stressful and challenging for many to discuss with good faith and good information.

You’d give Chairman Mao a run for his money. This is frightening.

How we got “here?” How we got where? To the point that America is the last, best hope for freedom for the entire world? If so, I agree with you. “I don’t see color” means that freedom is open to anyone. Thanks for pointing that out!

Considering there are at least one St. Pats family that openly supports groups and causes that openly fly nazi flags - I would say they need to mandate DEI training and better yet don’t invite those families back.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm sorry. "Training" for PARENTS? Are you serious?

Yes, it is absolutely imperative that parents learn how to talk about race and equity with their children. You do realize that parents ignoring these things and saying things like "I don't see color" are how we got here, right? If your kids are going to learn about something, you should be able to support them in that at home. A school can reasonably assume that it doesn't have to teach you reading, writing and arithmetic (though a good school will tell you HOW they teach subjects) to be able to reinforce learning at home. It is not reasonable to assume that all parents are going to have a nuanced understanding of this topic, one that is stressful and challenging for many to discuss with good faith and good information.

You’d give Chairman Mao a run for his money. This is frightening.

How we got “here?” How we got where? To the point that America is the last, best hope for freedom for the entire world? If so, I agree with you. “I don’t see color” means that freedom is open to anyone. Thanks for pointing that out!

Considering there are at least one St. Pats family that openly supports groups and causes that openly fly nazi flags - I would say they need to mandate DEI training and better yet don’t invite those families back.

This!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm sorry. "Training" for PARENTS? Are you serious?

Yes, it is absolutely imperative that parents learn how to talk about race and equity with their children. You do realize that parents ignoring these things and saying things like "I don't see color" are how we got here, right? If your kids are going to learn about something, you should be able to support them in that at home. A school can reasonably assume that it doesn't have to teach you reading, writing and arithmetic (though a good school will tell you HOW they teach subjects) to be able to reinforce learning at home. It is not reasonable to assume that all parents are going to have a nuanced understanding of this topic, one that is stressful and challenging for many to discuss with good faith and good information.

You’d give Chairman Mao a run for his money. This is frightening.

How we got “here?” How we got where? To the point that America is the last, best hope for freedom for the entire world? If so, I agree with you. “I don’t see color” means that freedom is open to anyone. Thanks for pointing that out!

Considering there are at least one St. Pats family that openly supports groups and causes that openly fly nazi flags - I would say they need to mandate DEI training and better yet don’t invite those families back.

What do you want to bet that family is paying far more than their share of tuition.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm sorry. "Training" for PARENTS? Are you serious?

Yes, it is absolutely imperative that parents learn how to talk about race and equity with their children. You do realize that parents ignoring these things and saying things like "I don't see color" are how we got here, right? If your kids are going to learn about something, you should be able to support them in that at home. A school can reasonably assume that it doesn't have to teach you reading, writing and arithmetic (though a good school will tell you HOW they teach subjects) to be able to reinforce learning at home. It is not reasonable to assume that all parents are going to have a nuanced understanding of this topic, one that is stressful and challenging for many to discuss with good faith and good information.

You’d give Chairman Mao a run for his money. This is frightening.

How we got “here?” How we got where? To the point that America is the last, best hope for freedom for the entire world? If so, I agree with you. “I don’t see color” means that freedom is open to anyone. Thanks for pointing that out!

Considering there are at least one St. Pats family that openly supports groups and causes that openly fly nazi flags - I would say they need to mandate DEI training and better yet don’t invite those families back.

What do you want to bet that family is paying far more than their share of tuition.

What does that mean? So if they pay and donate we will overlook their support of groups and causes that fly the nazi flag?

[Anonymous]

Is the board still very Republican or is it changing?