DEI st St. Pat’s?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:^^ I'm the PP and I'm saying this as a privileged white person, not a person of color.

Of course you are; you are a Karen who thrives on things like this. Please don't tell me what is a mistake when it comes to raising my kids. You have no idea who I am or what my background is.

For the record, when I say that I am teaching my kids to be colorblind - of course we all "see" color, like I "see" that you are wearing a blue shirt or I can "see" that you are tall. But those traits have nothing more to do with who you are as a person, and the kind of person that you are and whether or not I want to be friends with you, than does the color of your skin. I'm sorry that you still judge, stereotype and categorize people on outward appearances such as this. Perhaps one day you will evolve.

The garbage you are spouting is long debunked. That’s not how the world works. Your denial is for your own convenience, because the existing systems and power structures favor you.

Claiming to be “colorblind” in 2022. You should be embarrassed.

Tell that to 00:52. No one is entitled to define another’s story. Empathy and compassion should be blind to race/religion/ethnicity. Let people share who they are not by what they look like but what defines them.

[Anonymous]

Also- I can’t help but see the similarities between these arguments and the Defund the Police movement. You have rich white people virtue signaling at the top of their lungs about how people of color should be governed/treated/observed. And, instead of debating the issue it’s constant gas lighting.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:NP here. I agree with the idea of raising your children to be color blind, but part of other groups DEI efforts it’s not about group think, but rather to be aware of experiences. How will our color blind children respond when someone is treated differently due to race/color? Don’t we need to understand/be aware of experiences of others?

Yes- but who is to say which characteristics shape a person most? I’m white and Jewish but I would say that what defined me most was growing up middle class as the daughter of a teacher and secretary in a blue collar town. I am sure there are thousands of Americans of all colors and religions who would argue the same. Each one of us has the right to choose what defines us.

Yes and for many people of color, they would say their race and how they have been treated has been a defining element in their lives.

Absolutely. But that is their story to tell. I have no right to look at someone and make a broad list of assumptions about them based on any characteristic.

Acknowledging race/color does not ask you to make a broad list of assumptions about any individual based on that observation. It asks you to recognize that you do see color (we all do), work to understand your own internalized racial biases, and be open and empathetic to the experiences racialized experiences of others.

This active engagement in the significance of race in broader American society and history will help to abandon the misconception that an equitable society has been achieved; color blindness acts as if racism is part of a bygone era and greatly inhibits our ability to recognize its subtler manifestations and push things forward.

TLDR: Color blindness makes people blind to racism not race.

As a colored person who has experienced daily racism growing up, I COMPLETELY REJECT THIS REASONING. It is RACIST to "look at my color" and make conclusions about me - we do want a colorblind society and I don't want the tyranny of some sociologist who studies racial correlations reducing those to inferences at my individual level no matter how benign or paternalistic the intent of the beholder. It is absolutely disgusting how so-called progressives arrogate to themselves the right to define my experience of race and continue to use it as a daily category of interpersonal relationships.

Thank you for your perspective. Unfortunately, white liberals and progressives claim to know what is best for you more than you know yourself. Welcome to the new racism, which is just as insidious as the old.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Also- I can’t help but see the similarities between these arguments and the Defund the Police movement. You have rich white people virtue signaling at the top of their lungs about how people of color should be governed/treated/observed. And, instead of debating the issue it’s constant gas lighting.

+1. And it’s of the ultimate arrogance for st Pat’s liberals to think they need to retrain parents in groupthink. No thank you

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Also- I can’t help but see the similarities between these arguments and the Defund the Police movement. You have rich white people virtue signaling at the top of their lungs about how people of color should be governed/treated/observed. And, instead of debating the issue it’s constant gas lighting.

+1. And it’s of the ultimate arrogance for st Pat’s liberals to think they need to retrain parents in groupthink. No thank you

+2

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^ I'm the PP and I'm saying this as a privileged white person, not a person of color.

Of course you are; you are a Karen who thrives on things like this. Please don't tell me what is a mistake when it comes to raising my kids. You have no idea who I am or what my background is.

For the record, when I say that I am teaching my kids to be colorblind - of course we all "see" color, like I "see" that you are wearing a blue shirt or I can "see" that you are tall. But those traits have nothing more to do with who you are as a person, and the kind of person that you are and whether or not I want to be friends with you, than does the color of your skin. I'm sorry that you still judge, stereotype and categorize people on outward appearances such as this. Perhaps one day you will evolve.

The fact that you are teaching your children colorblindness makes you a racist. Perhaps one day YOU will evolve.

Oh, please explain that one to us. This I can't wait to hear.

+1 I'm confused. I thought our goal as a society was to become colorblind. I say this as someone who is one of those shades of brown that everyone overlooks.

NP, here. No, it's not. And I used to think that was the enlightened view as well, but now I'm a mom of biracial kids. And it's very, very important to "see" them, "see" their color and celebrate it. It denies their racial identity and almost suggests that it is something that is good to deny or ignore. Because, as others have noted, we absolutely see color and often have unconscious bias about it. Many articles on this if you do a search and are curious to learn more.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^ I'm the PP and I'm saying this as a privileged white person, not a person of color.

Of course you are; you are a Karen who thrives on things like this. Please don't tell me what is a mistake when it comes to raising my kids. You have no idea who I am or what my background is.

For the record, when I say that I am teaching my kids to be colorblind - of course we all "see" color, like I "see" that you are wearing a blue shirt or I can "see" that you are tall. But those traits have nothing more to do with who you are as a person, and the kind of person that you are and whether or not I want to be friends with you, than does the color of your skin. I'm sorry that you still judge, stereotype and categorize people on outward appearances such as this. Perhaps one day you will evolve.

The fact that you are teaching your children colorblindness makes you a racist. Perhaps one day YOU will evolve.

Oh, please explain that one to us. This I can't wait to hear.

+1 I'm confused. I thought our goal as a society was to become colorblind. I say this as someone who is one of those shades of brown that everyone overlooks.

NP, here. No, it's not. And I used to think that was the enlightened view as well, but now I'm a mom of biracial kids. And it's very, very important to "see" them, "see" their color and celebrate it. It denies their racial identity and almost suggests that it is something that is good to deny or ignore. Because, as others have noted, we absolutely see color and often have unconscious bias about it. Many articles on this if you do a search and are curious to learn more.

That is YOUR opinion and the way that you are raising your kids to think. It is not a universal viewpoint. 0:52, who identified themself as a POC, has an equally valid point. I, as a white person, do not expect anyone to "see" my color, or to celebrate it. It's a fact about me and nothing more. If you're going to celebrate me, celebrate that I am a good person. That is what is meaningful.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Also- I can’t help but see the similarities between these arguments and the Defund the Police movement. You have rich white people virtue signaling at the top of their lungs about how people of color should be governed/treated/observed. And, instead of debating the issue it’s constant gas lighting.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^ I'm the PP and I'm saying this as a privileged white person, not a person of color.

Of course you are; you are a Karen who thrives on things like this. Please don't tell me what is a mistake when it comes to raising my kids. You have no idea who I am or what my background is.

For the record, when I say that I am teaching my kids to be colorblind - of course we all "see" color, like I "see" that you are wearing a blue shirt or I can "see" that you are tall. But those traits have nothing more to do with who you are as a person, and the kind of person that you are and whether or not I want to be friends with you, than does the color of your skin. I'm sorry that you still judge, stereotype and categorize people on outward appearances such as this. Perhaps one day you will evolve.

The fact that you are teaching your children colorblindness makes you a racist. Perhaps one day YOU will evolve.

Oh, please explain that one to us. This I can't wait to hear.

+1 I'm confused. I thought our goal as a society was to become colorblind. I say this as someone who is one of those shades of brown that everyone overlooks.

NP, here. No, it's not. And I used to think that was the enlightened view as well, but now I'm a mom of biracial kids. And it's very, very important to "see" them, "see" their color and celebrate it. It denies their racial identity and almost suggests that it is something that is good to deny or ignore. Because, as others have noted, we absolutely see color and often have unconscious bias about it. Many articles on this if you do a search and are curious to learn more.

How about we celebrate your kids because they’re great kids! No one is ignoring or denying anything.

[Anonymous]

The part that unnerves me is imagining certain parents solemnly attending these things while sending snickering texts to fellow parents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I was surprised to learn that St. Patrick’s is apparently a leader in DEI and organizing anti-racism trainings for parents. It always seemed to be such a country club-type place. Is it more politically progressive than I thought or is this the admin trying to change the school’s demo or image?

I can think of a few parents that really need this training. Pretty sure they also support the insurrection - not kidding.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I was surprised to learn that St. Patrick’s is apparently a leader in DEI and organizing anti-racism trainings for parents. It always seemed to be such a country club-type place. Is it more politically progressive than I thought or is this the admin trying to change the school’s demo or image?

I can think of a few parents that really need this training. Pretty sure they also support the insurrection - not kidding.

“Need” this “training” from their children’s elementary school?? Do you have any idea how ridiculous and condescending you sound?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^ I'm the PP and I'm saying this as a privileged white person, not a person of color.

Of course you are; you are a Karen who thrives on things like this. Please don't tell me what is a mistake when it comes to raising my kids. You have no idea who I am or what my background is.

For the record, when I say that I am teaching my kids to be colorblind - of course we all "see" color, like I "see" that you are wearing a blue shirt or I can "see" that you are tall. But those traits have nothing more to do with who you are as a person, and the kind of person that you are and whether or not I want to be friends with you, than does the color of your skin. I'm sorry that you still judge, stereotype and categorize people on outward appearances such as this. Perhaps one day you will evolve.

The fact that you are teaching your children colorblindness makes you a racist. Perhaps one day YOU will evolve.

Help me understand what you want me to think or presume after I “see” your color. How do I celebrate it? With any person of color, I don’t want to make presumptions about their beliefs, culture, or upbringing based on the color of their skin. That is the definition of a stereotype. I can celebrate our differences once I get to know them as a person and appreciate their personality and character.

Oh, please explain that one to us. This I can't wait to hear.

+1 I'm confused. I thought our goal as a society was to become colorblind. I say this as someone who is one of those shades of brown that everyone overlooks.

NP, here. No, it's not. And I used to think that was the enlightened view as well, but now I'm a mom of biracial kids. And it's very, very important to "see" them, "see" their color and celebrate it. It denies their racial identity and almost suggests that it is something that is good to deny or ignore. Because, as others have noted, we absolutely see color and often have unconscious bias about it. Many articles on this if you do a search and are curious to learn more.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^ I'm the PP and I'm saying this as a privileged white person, not a person of color.

Of course you are; you are a Karen who thrives on things like this. Please don't tell me what is a mistake when it comes to raising my kids. You have no idea who I am or what my background is.

For the record, when I say that I am teaching my kids to be colorblind - of course we all "see" color, like I "see" that you are wearing a blue shirt or I can "see" that you are tall. But those traits have nothing more to do with who you are as a person, and the kind of person that you are and whether or not I want to be friends with you, than does the color of your skin. I'm sorry that you still judge, stereotype and categorize people on outward appearances such as this. Perhaps one day you will evolve.

The garbage you are spouting is long debunked. That’s not how the world works. Your denial is for your own convenience, because the existing systems and power structures favor you.

Claiming to be “colorblind” in 2022. You should be embarrassed.

Seriously. Part of this kind of training is about finding the humility to question how you see race instead of just shutting it down with the "I have nothing to learn from this" attitude.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I was surprised to learn that St. Patrick’s is apparently a leader in DEI and organizing anti-racism trainings for parents. It always seemed to be such a country club-type place. Is it more politically progressive than I thought or is this the admin trying to change the school’s demo or image?

I can think of a few parents that really need this training. Pretty sure they also support the insurrection - not kidding.

“Need” this “training” from their children’s elementary school?? Do you have any idea how ridiculous and condescending you sound?

+1. There is no reason why elementary schools, nay any school, public or private, has to teach this stuff. And that’s why I won’t pay for it. Better to be discussed at home around the dinner table, in daily encounters with other, at church or synogogue. Schools that are doing this are repeating Mao’s cultural Revolution and 1984.