DEI st St. Pat’s?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm sorry. "Training" for PARENTS? Are you serious?

Yes, it is absolutely imperative that parents learn how to talk about race and equity with their children. You do realize that parents ignoring these things and saying things like "I don't see color" are how we got here, right? If your kids are going to learn about something, you should be able to support them in that at home. A school can reasonably assume that it doesn't have to teach you reading, writing and arithmetic (though a good school will tell you HOW they teach subjects) to be able to reinforce learning at home. It is not reasonable to assume that all parents are going to have a nuanced understanding of this topic, one that is stressful and challenging for many to discuss with good faith and good information.

Well aren't you the authority on this subject.

Just for the record, I don't see color. And I'm teaching my kids (who are in local privates) to behave and respond in the same way. We look at the content of one's character. And I presume your character to be quite elitist.

what do you do at traffic lights?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm sorry. "Training" for PARENTS? Are you serious?

Yes, it is absolutely imperative that parents learn how to talk about race and equity with their children. You do realize that parents ignoring these things and saying things like "I don't see color" are how we got here, right? If your kids are going to learn about something, you should be able to support them in that at home. A school can reasonably assume that it doesn't have to teach you reading, writing and arithmetic (though a good school will tell you HOW they teach subjects) to be able to reinforce learning at home. It is not reasonable to assume that all parents are going to have a nuanced understanding of this topic, one that is stressful and challenging for many to discuss with good faith and good information.

Well aren't you the authority on this subject.

Just for the record, I don't see color. And I'm teaching my kids (who are in local privates) to behave and respond in the same way. We look at the content of one's character. And I presume your character to be quite elitist.

You do see color. You just make a well-intentioned effort to ignore it. However, that may be unsuccessful and harmful.

Yes you note it. Just as you ignore all other physical characteristics of a person. A person is tall. A person is fat. A person has a disability. A person has a deformity. A person has a red shirt. Why should I make any judgement about a person when noting these characteristics?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm sorry. "Training" for PARENTS? Are you serious?

Yes, it is absolutely imperative that parents learn how to talk about race and equity with their children. You do realize that parents ignoring these things and saying things like "I don't see color" are how we got here, right? If your kids are going to learn about something, you should be able to support them in that at home. A school can reasonably assume that it doesn't have to teach you reading, writing and arithmetic (though a good school will tell you HOW they teach subjects) to be able to reinforce learning at home. It is not reasonable to assume that all parents are going to have a nuanced understanding of this topic, one that is stressful and challenging for many to discuss with good faith and good information.

Well aren't you the authority on this subject.

Just for the record, I don't see color. And I'm teaching my kids (who are in local privates) to behave and respond in the same way. We look at the content of one's character. And I presume your character to be quite elitist.

You do see color. You just make a well-intentioned effort to ignore it. However, that may be unsuccessful and harmful.

Yes you note it. Just as you ignore all other physical characteristics of a person. A person is tall. A person is fat. A person has a disability. A person has a deformity. A person has a red shirt. Why should I make any judgement about a person when noting these characteristics?

+1. Your race is one of the least interesting things about you.

[Anonymous]

NP here. I agree with the idea of raising your children to be color blind, but part of other groups DEI efforts it’s not about group think, but rather to be aware of experiences. How will our color blind children respond when someone is treated differently due to race/color? Don’t we need to understand/be aware of experiences of others?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:NP here. I agree with the idea of raising your children to be color blind, but part of other groups DEI efforts it’s not about group think, but rather to be aware of experiences. How will our color blind children respond when someone is treated differently due to race/color? Don’t we need to understand/be aware of experiences of others?

Yes- but who is to say which characteristics shape a person most? I’m white and Jewish but I would say that what defined me most was growing up middle class as the daughter of a teacher and secretary in a blue collar town. I am sure there are thousands of Americans of all colors and religions who would argue the same. Each one of us has the right to choose what defines us.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NP here. I agree with the idea of raising your children to be color blind, but part of other groups DEI efforts it’s not about group think, but rather to be aware of experiences. How will our color blind children respond when someone is treated differently due to race/color? Don’t we need to understand/be aware of experiences of others?

Yes- but who is to say which characteristics shape a person most? I’m white and Jewish but I would say that what defined me most was growing up middle class as the daughter of a teacher and secretary in a blue collar town. I am sure there are thousands of Americans of all colors and religions who would argue the same. Each one of us has the right to choose what defines us.

Yes and for many people of color, they would say their race and how they have been treated has been a defining element in their lives.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NP here. I agree with the idea of raising your children to be color blind, but part of other groups DEI efforts it’s not about group think, but rather to be aware of experiences. How will our color blind children respond when someone is treated differently due to race/color? Don’t we need to understand/be aware of experiences of others?

Yes- but who is to say which characteristics shape a person most? I’m white and Jewish but I would say that what defined me most was growing up middle class as the daughter of a teacher and secretary in a blue collar town. I am sure there are thousands of Americans of all colors and religions who would argue the same. Each one of us has the right to choose what defines us.

Yes and for many people of color, they would say their race and how they have been treated has been a defining element in their lives.

Absolutely. But that is their story to tell. I have no right to look at someone and make a broad list of assumptions about them based on any characteristic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NP here. I agree with the idea of raising your children to be color blind, but part of other groups DEI efforts it’s not about group think, but rather to be aware of experiences. How will our color blind children respond when someone is treated differently due to race/color? Don’t we need to understand/be aware of experiences of others?

Yes- but who is to say which characteristics shape a person most? I’m white and Jewish but I would say that what defined me most was growing up middle class as the daughter of a teacher and secretary in a blue collar town. I am sure there are thousands of Americans of all colors and religions who would argue the same. Each one of us has the right to choose what defines us.

Yes and for many people of color, they would say their race and how they have been treated has been a defining element in their lives.

Absolutely. But that is their story to tell. I have no right to look at someone and make a broad list of assumptions about them based on any characteristic.

Has the DEI training happened yet? If so, could somebody share examples of what the parents were told.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NP here. I agree with the idea of raising your children to be color blind, but part of other groups DEI efforts it’s not about group think, but rather to be aware of experiences. How will our color blind children respond when someone is treated differently due to race/color? Don’t we need to understand/be aware of experiences of others?

Yes- but who is to say which characteristics shape a person most? I’m white and Jewish but I would say that what defined me most was growing up middle class as the daughter of a teacher and secretary in a blue collar town. I am sure there are thousands of Americans of all colors and religions who would argue the same. Each one of us has the right to choose what defines us.

Yes and for many people of color, they would say their race and how they have been treated has been a defining element in their lives.

Absolutely. But that is their story to tell. I have no right to look at someone and make a broad list of assumptions about them based on any characteristic.

Acknowledging race/color does not ask you to make a broad list of assumptions about any individual based on that observation. It asks you to recognize that you do see color (we all do), work to understand your own internalized racial biases, and be open and empathetic to the experiences racialized experiences of others.

This active engagement in the significance of race in broader American society and history will help to abandon the misconception that an equitable society has been achieved; color blindness acts as if racism is part of a bygone era and greatly inhibits our ability to recognize its subtler manifestations and push things forward.

TLDR: Color blindness makes people blind to racism not race.

[Anonymous]

Over the years St Pat’s has had a number of “how to talk to your kids about race” lectures for parents. Some are led by faculty and some by outside lecturers. All have been great and well-attended by the parents. It has been helpful for parents to learn how to navigate these discussions with our kids and all have been practical and reasonable. Parents across the board have attended -from those who go to country clubs to those who definitely don’t. The school, like most schools, is a mix of people who want to learn to help their children!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NP here. I agree with the idea of raising your children to be color blind, but part of other groups DEI efforts it’s not about group think, but rather to be aware of experiences. How will our color blind children respond when someone is treated differently due to race/color? Don’t we need to understand/be aware of experiences of others?

Yes- but who is to say which characteristics shape a person most? I’m white and Jewish but I would say that what defined me most was growing up middle class as the daughter of a teacher and secretary in a blue collar town. I am sure there are thousands of Americans of all colors and religions who would argue the same. Each one of us has the right to choose what defines us.

Yes and for many people of color, they would say their race and how they have been treated has been a defining element in their lives.

Absolutely. But that is their story to tell. I have no right to look at someone and make a broad list of assumptions about them based on any characteristic.

Acknowledging race/color does not ask you to make a broad list of assumptions about any individual based on that observation. It asks you to recognize that you do see color (we all do), work to understand your own internalized racial biases, and be open and empathetic to the experiences racialized experiences of others.

This active engagement in the significance of race in broader American society and history will help to abandon the misconception that an equitable society has been achieved; color blindness acts as if racism is part of a bygone era and greatly inhibits our ability to recognize its subtler manifestations and push things forward.

TLDR: Color blindness makes people blind to racism not race.

As a colored person who has experienced daily racism growing up, I COMPLETELY REJECT THIS REASONING. It is RACIST to "look at my color" and make conclusions about me - we do want a colorblind society and I don't want the tyranny of some sociologist who studies racial correlations reducing those to inferences at my individual level no matter how benign or paternalistic the intent of the beholder. It is absolutely disgusting how so-called progressives arrogate to themselves the right to define my experience of race and continue to use it as a daily category of interpersonal relationships.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm sorry. "Training" for PARENTS? Are you serious?

Yes, it is absolutely imperative that parents learn how to talk about race and equity with their children. You do realize that parents ignoring these things and saying things like "I don't see color" are how we got here, right? If your kids are going to learn about something, you should be able to support them in that at home. A school can reasonably assume that it doesn't have to teach you reading, writing and arithmetic (though a good school will tell you HOW they teach subjects) to be able to reinforce learning at home. It is not reasonable to assume that all parents are going to have a nuanced understanding of this topic, one that is stressful and challenging for many to discuss with good faith and good information.

Well aren't you the authority on this subject.

Just for the record, I don't see color. And I'm teaching my kids (who are in local privates) to behave and respond in the same way. We look at the content of one's character. And I presume your character to be quite elitist.

Liar.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm sorry. "Training" for PARENTS? Are you serious?

Yes, it is absolutely imperative that parents learn how to talk about race and equity with their children. You do realize that parents ignoring these things and saying things like "I don't see color" are how we got here, right? If your kids are going to learn about something, you should be able to support them in that at home. A school can reasonably assume that it doesn't have to teach you reading, writing and arithmetic (though a good school will tell you HOW they teach subjects) to be able to reinforce learning at home. It is not reasonable to assume that all parents are going to have a nuanced understanding of this topic, one that is stressful and challenging for many to discuss with good faith and good information.

Who are you to train parents in anything? And why does it fall to the school to do this? Why can’t parents talk about these issues with their own children at home, church or synogogue. Why does it have to be a public or private school issue? Many schools are going to have egg on their faces when this hoopla dies down and there is a strong reaction as we’ve already seen with the Salvation Army. I’m not paying a school for this and certainly not to “train” me in this Marxism and I’m not donating my dollars to it either. Scratch St Pat’s off the list.

Thanks for letting us know you don’t know what Marxism is, Trumper. You won’t be missed.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:^^ I'm the PP and I'm saying this as a privileged white person, not a person of color.

Of course you are; you are a Karen who thrives on things like this. Please don't tell me what is a mistake when it comes to raising my kids. You have no idea who I am or what my background is.

For the record, when I say that I am teaching my kids to be colorblind - of course we all "see" color, like I "see" that you are wearing a blue shirt or I can "see" that you are tall. But those traits have nothing more to do with who you are as a person, and the kind of person that you are and whether or not I want to be friends with you, than does the color of your skin. I'm sorry that you still judge, stereotype and categorize people on outward appearances such as this. Perhaps one day you will evolve.

The garbage you are spouting is long debunked. That’s not how the world works. Your denial is for your own convenience, because the existing systems and power structures favor you.

Claiming to be “colorblind” in 2022. You should be embarrassed.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:“I don’t see color” is problematic and patently false. Do better.

Only among liberal freaks like you.

+1. For most of us, it's how the world goes 'round.

God, there are so many of you and you’re so proud of your ignorance. Go back to 1955.