Question about bikes in bike lanes and right hand turns.

[Anonymous]

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+1 Cyclist PP, you are completely in the wrong and are going to get killed blowing through stop signs. It is literally the law that you obey all traffic laws as if you were a car.

Sociopath PP is a sociopath.

But no, it is NOT literally the law that you obey all traffic laws as if you were a driver. Drivers have to obey one set of laws. Bicyclists have to obey a different set of laws. Pedestrians have to obey yet a different set of laws. I don't know where this "all the same laws apply to drivers and bicyclists" belief comes from.

Idaho rolls are not legal in dc https://bicycleuniverse.com/idaho-stop-law/ A stop sign is a stop sign for cyclists too no matter how much they wish otherwise.

A stop sign is a stop sign for drivers, too. And yet...

[Anonymous]

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There's no way this is an actual cyclist. It's a driver who despises cyclists and is intentionally playing the worst stereotype out there to incite opinion against cyclists.

Yeah, I think so too. There's one particular bicyclist-hating poster who habitually posts bicyclist-hate on threads on DCUM, who insists that the law does not require bicyclists to stop at stop signs.

Now, in some places, it's true that the law does not require bicyclists to stop at stop signs. But the law in DC, Virginia, and Maryland does require bicyclists to stop at stop signs.

DP (have posted in this thread before, but I’m not the poster being quoted)

I’m a cyclist who mostly hates other cyclists - especially your types. The sort of goodie-two shoes “I follow the laws that are applicable to bikes and practicable when it suits me”…. Blehhhh. You sound like Dudley Doowright and Sheldon Cooper’s lovechild.

I’m a libertine and an antagonistic personality. I ride like a lunatic and an a-hole in traffic because I get a kick out of it. That’s the honest truth and I don’t care who knows it or who it pisses off. I run red lights in traffic. I blow stop signs. I deliberately buzz peds. I love shoaling at traffic lights and then catching a whole string of cars behind me. I’ve busted more car windows with my padlock than I have fingers and toes. I like being a dick. On my bike is the only place I’m free to be a jerk to strangers simply because I can. It’s a valuable outlet for me, and I enjoy the hell out of it.

Yes, I’m definitely a cyclist. Would you like to know about my bikes? Would that vet me? What group-set on each bike I ride? Whether SRAM cranksets can work with Shimano derailleurs? How to properly bleed Tektro hydraulic brake lines? How to replace old Avid BB5 pads? What B-screw adjustment does? Why anything Campy sucks? Which disk system uses mineral oil based fluid and which uses DOT-4? Why 1x drivetrains are sweetness? Why only D-bags ride Cervalo? You convinced yet? Should I go on?

I’m definitely a cyclist. I definitely enjoy being an a-hole on my bike. And I definitely hate know-it-all’s like you guys.

I ride because I get to be an outlaw on my bike. And that’s the truth.

He says, as he bravely posts anonymously.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Hi, not going to read what a bunch of amateur wannabe lawyers wrote, given I am a DC lawyer, a driver, and a cyclist.

Use your turn signal.
Merge into or across the bike lane once you've confirmed it's clear, yielding to anyone else already in that lane (make your turn from the rightmost lane).
Any bikes coming up should now be stuck behind you or passing you on your left.
Stop at the line.
Proceed when it's your turn.


Yeah, OP didn't make their turn right, and did not have right of way to cross the bike lane because it was occupied, but the cyclist is also negligent and playing with fire, and passing a car on the right that is stopped at a stop sign with its turn signal on is a clear death wish (and the cyclist probably didn't stop at the stop sign either, which is always required, and definitely negligent and a death wish if they don't stop and people are clearly already there before).

A DC lawyer? Wow, that's pretty rare! You're probably the only one of them to post in this thread.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

There's no way this is an actual cyclist. It's a driver who despises cyclists and is intentionally playing the worst stereotype out there to incite opinion against cyclists.

Yeah, I think so too. There's one particular bicyclist-hating poster who habitually posts bicyclist-hate on threads on DCUM, who insists that the law does not require bicyclists to stop at stop signs.

Now, in some places, it's true that the law does not require bicyclists to stop at stop signs. But the law in DC, Virginia, and Maryland does require bicyclists to stop at stop signs.

DP (have posted in this thread before, but I’m not the poster being quoted)

I’m a cyclist who mostly hates other cyclists - especially your types. The sort of goodie-two shoes “I follow the laws that are applicable to bikes and practicable when it suits me”…. Blehhhh. You sound like Dudley Doowright and Sheldon Cooper’s lovechild.

I’m a libertine and an antagonistic personality. I ride like a lunatic and an a-hole in traffic because I get a kick out of it. That’s the honest truth and I don’t care who knows it or who it pisses off. I run red lights in traffic. I blow stop signs. I deliberately buzz peds. I love shoaling at traffic lights and then catching a whole string of cars behind me. I’ve busted more car windows with my padlock than I have fingers and toes. I like being a dick. On my bike is the only place I’m free to be a jerk to strangers simply because I can. It’s a valuable outlet for me, and I enjoy the hell out of it.

Yes, I’m definitely a cyclist. Would you like to know about my bikes? Would that vet me? What group-set on each bike I ride? Whether SRAM cranksets can work with Shimano derailleurs? How to properly bleed Tektro hydraulic brake lines? How to replace old Avid BB5 pads? What B-screw adjustment does? Why anything Campy sucks? Which disk system uses mineral oil based fluid and which uses DOT-4? Why 1x drivetrains are sweetness? Why only D-bags ride Cervalo? You convinced yet? Should I go on?

I’m definitely a cyclist. I definitely enjoy being an a-hole on my bike. And I definitely hate know-it-all’s like you guys.

I ride because I get to be an outlaw on my bike. And that’s the truth.

He says, as he bravely posts anonymously.

Of course it’s anonymous. I’m a sociopath, not a moron. I do stuff I can get away with. Why would I put my name down?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP, probably it's more important to learn how to prevent this from happening again than to discuss who was at fault, correct?

So, as a general rule:

1. Turn on your turn signal
2. Check to make sure there's nobody in the bike lane
3. Merge to the right in the merge area
4. Stop at the stop sign
5. Turn right

The idea is that you're turning right from the right lane, just like you'd do if there were no bike lane.

If you're turning right from the general lane, and there's a bike lane to the right of you, that's like turning right from the left lane of a street with two lanes going the same direction.

100% WRONG.

Cars are not to use the bike lane as a right turn lane. Ever. Bike lanes are for bikes. Period. They are not a turn lane for cars.

Sorry repeat to fix the quote formatting

The DC reg is written as follows:

2203.3​Both the approach for a right turn and a right turn shall be made as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge or the roadway.

That would seem to imply you should be in the bike lane.

Also page 19 of this guide indicates that the driver was at fault because they didn’t get as far right as possible in the bike lane https://ddot.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/d...e-Law-Pocket-Guide-Oct2012.pdf

I still think the cyclist should have stopped in OPs example.

Bike lanes are for bikes.

Cyclist here. I think the car turning right should have moved into the bike lane and the cyclist should have stopped. I hate these intersections. I've had buses and cars try to turn on top of me when we were both stopped and the stop sign together and they didn't think to check the bike lane. It's much safer for the car to be in bike line (of course check before changing lanes are you would with a car!) obviously planning to turn. The cyclist can either move to the car's left (proper side for going straight when someone is making a right) or stop further back until the car has completed their turn. Many bike lanes in my area (not NW) have dashed lines for just this reason. I am glad everyone was okay today, OP.

I live in MoCo but have been confused as a driver what to do at turns when there are bike lanes- thinking of University Blvd. in particular. I never know if I should move into the bike lanes to make a right hand turn or turn from the driving lane. I've done both but not sure which is right- one time I turned from the car lane with my signal on but the car behind me moved over to the bike lanes to turn and we almost had an accident.

[Anonymous]

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I live in MoCo but have been confused as a driver what to do at turns when there are bike lanes- thinking of University Blvd. in particular. I never know if I should move into the bike lanes to make a right hand turn or turn from the driving lane. I've done both but not sure which is right- one time I turned from the car lane with my signal on but the car behind me moved over to the bike lanes to turn and we almost had an accident.

1. Check to make sure the bike lane is clear.
2. Put on your turn signal.
3. Merge to the right in the area marked for merging.
4. Turn right.

If you turn from the right across the bike lane, without merging to the right (when the bike lane is clear), you risk right-hooking a bicyclist - or, as happened to you, getting into a crash with a driver who did merge to the right.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

I live in MoCo but have been confused as a driver what to do at turns when there are bike lanes- thinking of University Blvd. in particular. I never know if I should move into the bike lanes to make a right hand turn or turn from the driving lane. I've done both but not sure which is right- one time I turned from the car lane with my signal on but the car behind me moved over to the bike lanes to turn and we almost had an accident.

1. Check to make sure the bike lane is clear.
2. Put on your turn signal.
3. Merge to the right in the area marked for merging.
4. Turn right.

If you turn from the right across the bike lane, without merging to the right (when the bike lane is clear), you risk right-hooking a bicyclist - or, as happened to you, getting into a crash with a driver who did merge to the right.

This is the correct answer. Read it. Learn it. Love it.

[Anonymous]

I love how the cyclists here are happy to blame the driver for the cyclist who clearly blew the stop sign and *ran into* the side of OP’s car.


Because that is literally the only way this could’ve happened.


There is no possible way a bike is going to go from a stop at a stop sign and accelerate quickly enough to get right hooked by a car that’s already making a turn.


There is no depth to which the bicycle goons won’t go to defend a fellow rider’s idiocy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I love how the cyclists here are happy to blame the driver for the cyclist who clearly blew the stop sign and *ran into* the side of OP’s car.


Because that is literally the only way this could’ve happened.


There is no possible way a bike is going to go from a stop at a stop sign and accelerate quickly enough to get right hooked by a car that’s already making a turn.


There is no depth to which the bicycle goons won’t go to defend a fellow rider’s idiocy.

If the bicyclist had a stop sign than so did the driver and that means the driver still was responsible for safely merging into and getting across the bike lane and if the car was already ahead of the cyclists he would have been visible and easily avoidable for the person on a bike - what you are positing is absolutely no proof of what you allege. What does make sense is that the car overtook the cyclist from behind and then turned into him which the cyclist would not have been able to see to avoid.

Please try again.