Question about bikes in bike lanes and right hand turns.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

There's no way this is an actual cyclist. It's a driver who despises cyclists and is intentionally playing the worst stereotype out there to incite opinion against cyclists.

Yeah, I think so too. There's one particular bicyclist-hating poster who habitually posts bicyclist-hate on threads on DCUM, who insists that the law does not require bicyclists to stop at stop signs.

Now, in some places, it's true that the law does not require bicyclists to stop at stop signs. But the law in DC, Virginia, and Maryland does require bicyclists to stop at stop signs.

DP (have posted in this thread before, but I’m not the poster being quoted)

I’m a cyclist who mostly hates other cyclists - especially your types. The sort of goodie-two shoes “I follow the laws that are applicable to bikes and practicable when it suits me”…. Blehhhh. You sound like Dudley Doowright and Sheldon Cooper’s lovechild.

I’m a libertine and an antagonistic personality. I ride like a lunatic and an a-hole in traffic because I get a kick out of it. That’s the honest truth and I don’t care who knows it or who it pisses off. I run red lights in traffic. I blow stop signs. I deliberately buzz peds. I love shoaling at traffic lights and then catching a whole string of cars behind me. I’ve busted more car windows with my padlock than I have fingers and toes. I like being a dick. On my bike is the only place I’m free to be a jerk to strangers simply because I can. It’s a valuable outlet for me, and I enjoy the hell out of it.

Yes, I’m definitely a cyclist. Would you like to know about my bikes? Would that vet me? What group-set on each bike I ride? Whether SRAM cranksets can work with Shimano derailleurs? How to properly bleed Tektro hydraulic brake lines? How to replace old Avid BB5 pads? What B-screw adjustment does? Why anything Campy sucks? Which disk system uses mineral oil based fluid and which uses DOT-4? Why 1x drivetrains are sweetness? Why only D-bags ride Cervalo? You convinced yet? Should I go on?

I’m definitely a cyclist. I definitely enjoy being an a-hole on my bike. And I definitely hate know-it-all’s like you guys.

I ride because I get to be an outlaw on my bike. And that’s the truth.

If you're going for off-brand fiction you should get some pointers on writing style before you try to get published. You and every other troll have great imaginations but lack what it takes to make it in the industry. Keep working on it!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

There's no way this is an actual cyclist. It's a driver who despises cyclists and is intentionally playing the worst stereotype out there to incite opinion against cyclists.

Yeah, I think so too. There's one particular bicyclist-hating poster who habitually posts bicyclist-hate on threads on DCUM, who insists that the law does not require bicyclists to stop at stop signs.

Now, in some places, it's true that the law does not require bicyclists to stop at stop signs. But the law in DC, Virginia, and Maryland does require bicyclists to stop at stop signs.

DP (have posted in this thread before, but I’m not the poster being quoted)

I’m a cyclist who mostly hates other cyclists - especially your types. The sort of goodie-two shoes “I follow the laws that are applicable to bikes and practicable when it suits me”…. Blehhhh. You sound like Dudley Doowright and Sheldon Cooper’s lovechild.

I’m a libertine and an antagonistic personality. I ride like a lunatic and an a-hole in traffic because I get a kick out of it. That’s the honest truth and I don’t care who knows it or who it pisses off. I run red lights in traffic. I blow stop signs. I deliberately buzz peds. I love shoaling at traffic lights and then catching a whole string of cars behind me. I’ve busted more car windows with my padlock than I have fingers and toes. I like being a dick. On my bike is the only place I’m free to be a jerk to strangers simply because I can. It’s a valuable outlet for me, and I enjoy the hell out of it.

Yes, I’m definitely a cyclist. Would you like to know about my bikes? Would that vet me? What group-set on each bike I ride? Whether SRAM cranksets can work with Shimano derailleurs? How to properly bleed Tektro hydraulic brake lines? How to replace old Avid BB5 pads? What B-screw adjustment does? Why anything Campy sucks? Which disk system uses mineral oil based fluid and which uses DOT-4? Why 1x drivetrains are sweetness? Why only D-bags ride Cervalo? You convinced yet? Should I go on?

I’m definitely a cyclist. I definitely enjoy being an a-hole on my bike. And I definitely hate know-it-all’s like you guys.

I ride because I get to be an outlaw on my bike. And that’s the truth.

If you're going for off-brand fiction you should get some pointers on writing style before you try to get published. You and every other troll have great imaginations but lack what it takes to make it in the industry. Keep working on it!

Still not convinced huh? I mean, I get it - your acknowledgment that I’m what I say I am gives a LOT of ammunition to people who hate anyone on a bike. So you have a lot vested in continuing to claim I’m not a rider. I think other people reading my earlier post that was all inside-baseball about wrenching on bikes know the truth though. And the truth is I’m a borderline sociopath who loves being on my bike because it’s the only place I can truly go/do/say/act whatever I want and stand a decent chance of getting away with it. And that’s why I love riding. The fact that I’m a blacksheep embarrassment to people like you is just a bonus.


Hmmmmmm… ask me something only an experienced rider would know?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I was driving on Irving st NW a few hours ago, and also had a crash involving a cyclist.

The street has a dedicated, marked bike lane on the right side of the roadway. I came to a 4-way stop sign, and was going to turn right. I had my turn signal on and was sitting there for a moment because the car to my left had already stopped for the stop sign on their side, and had started to move across the intersection, so I had to wait for a bit longer than a normal stop before I could turn right.

As I started to pull away from the stop sign and make the turn, this I hear a loud shout, and then a thump, and look over my right shoulder and this guy on a bike was all the way up against the rear right side of my car and just slammed his hand down on the back window.

I stopped right there in the middle of the turn because I didn’t realize right away what had just happened. For a second I thought I’d run over him, but then realized I couldn’t have. And then he pedals around beside and is yelling about how I almost ran over him. Then he kept going. He looked unharmed to me.


Then I started thinking about what had to have happened, and if I was already stopped, and had my signal on and was turning, how could it be my fault? Don’t I have a right of way since I’m already at the stop sign? Is a cyclist allowed to pass a car in front of them that is turning right at a stop sign, if the car is already at the stop sign and starting to make a turn? The only possible way he could have been trying to go around me mid-turn was if he hadn’t stopped at the stop sign, and bikers are supposed to stop at stop signs. So I don’t see how any of this could’ve been me “almost running over him”.

Who is in the wrong here?

You were. Just another oblivious driver behind the wheel not paying attention to your surroundings. People like you are the bane of people like me. The exact same scenario has happened to me several times. I’ve almost run into the sides of cars on several occasions because some idiot turns in front of me. Most cyclists don’t do stop signs. We’re not a car so we’re not required to and it takes too much energy to stop at every block and then get back up to speed again. So we’re trying to maintain our cadence and momentum and when you stop and then turn you literally force us to run into you if we don’t take evasive action. You’re lucky he just pounded on your window. I would’ve smashed your car with my lock.

We actually are required to stop at stop signs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You should let the biker come to a stop at the sign. They are coming up to an intersection and have no obligation to stop before reaching the sign. It’s like merging lanes, and you need the lane to be clear.

That makes no sense if the car is legally turning from the lane to the left and the bike gets there second. The bike HAS to stop behind the car and let it go. Passing on the right is dangerous, especially when the car has signaled a turn. Is simply is not true that the bikers always have the right of way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I was driving on Irving st NW a few hours ago, and also had a crash involving a cyclist.

The street has a dedicated, marked bike lane on the right side of the roadway. I came to a 4-way stop sign, and was going to turn right. I had my turn signal on and was sitting there for a moment because the car to my left had already stopped for the stop sign on their side, and had started to move across the intersection, so I had to wait for a bit longer than a normal stop before I could turn right.

As I started to pull away from the stop sign and make the turn, this I hear a loud shout, and then a thump, and look over my right shoulder and this guy on a bike was all the way up against the rear right side of my car and just slammed his hand down on the back window.

I stopped right there in the middle of the turn because I didn’t realize right away what had just happened. For a second I thought I’d run over him, but then realized I couldn’t have. And then he pedals around beside and is yelling about how I almost ran over him. Then he kept going. He looked unharmed to me.


Then I started thinking about what had to have happened, and if I was already stopped, and had my signal on and was turning, how could it be my fault? Don’t I have a right of way since I’m already at the stop sign? Is a cyclist allowed to pass a car in front of them that is turning right at a stop sign, if the car is already at the stop sign and starting to make a turn? The only possible way he could have been trying to go around me mid-turn was if he hadn’t stopped at the stop sign, and bikers are supposed to stop at stop signs. So I don’t see how any of this could’ve been me “almost running over him”.

Who is in the wrong here?

You were. Just another oblivious driver behind the wheel not paying attention to your surroundings. People like you are the bane of people like me. The exact same scenario has happened to me several times. I’ve almost run into the sides of cars on several occasions because some idiot turns in front of me. Most cyclists don’t do stop signs. We’re not a car so we’re not required to and it takes too much energy to stop at every block and then get back up to speed again. So we’re trying to maintain our cadence and momentum and when you stop and then turn you literally force us to run into you if we don’t take evasive action. You’re lucky he just pounded on your window. I would’ve smashed your car with my lock.

We actually are required to stop at stop signs.

+1 Cyclist PP, you are completely in the wrong and are going to get killed blowing through stop signs. It is literally the law that you obey all traffic laws as if you were a car.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Cyclists are a law onto themselves.

I've seen cars stopped at a red light waiting their turn for the light to turn green so they can cross the intersection and cyclists just cutting through the cars and stopping right in front of the first car in line. Then when the light changes to green the cyclists slows down the cars in crossing the intersection. Shouldn't the cyclists have to get in line just like the cars waiting for the green light?

No. That particular thing those bicyclists are doing is fine.

But it still not fair or safe.

But is it legal, at least in DC.

This doesn't apply to OP's question, which was a stop sign. If you try to pass a turning car on the right, you will get hit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You should let the biker come to a stop at the sign. They are coming up to an intersection and have no obligation to stop before reaching the sign. It’s like merging lanes, and you need the lane to be clear.

That makes no sense if the car is legally turning from the lane to the left and the bike gets there second. The bike HAS to stop behind the car and let it go. Passing on the right is dangerous, especially when the car has signaled a turn. Is simply is not true that the bikers always have the right of way.

The driver is NOT legally turning from the lane to the left, because the driver is supposed to be all the way to the right before turning right.

The bicyclist has to stop AT the stop sign, not BEFORE the stop sign.

When bicyclists ride in line with the cars, some drivers get upset because the bicyclists are supposed ride to the right. When bicyclists ride to the right, some drivers get upset because the bicyclists are supposed to ride in line with the cars.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

+1 Cyclist PP, you are completely in the wrong and are going to get killed blowing through stop signs. It is literally the law that you obey all traffic laws as if you were a car.

Sociopath PP is a sociopath.

But no, it is NOT literally the law that you obey all traffic laws as if you were a driver. Drivers have to obey one set of laws. Bicyclists have to obey a different set of laws. Pedestrians have to obey yet a different set of laws. I don't know where this "all the same laws apply to drivers and bicyclists" belief comes from.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You should let the biker come to a stop at the sign. They are coming up to an intersection and have no obligation to stop before reaching the sign. It’s like merging lanes, and you need the lane to be clear.

That makes no sense if the car is legally turning from the lane to the left and the bike gets there second. The bike HAS to stop behind the car and let it go. Passing on the right is dangerous, especially when the car has signaled a turn. Is simply is not true that the bikers always have the right of way.

The driver is NOT legally turning from the lane to the left, because the driver is supposed to be all the way to the right before turning right.

The bicyclist has to stop AT the stop sign, not BEFORE the stop sign.

When bicyclists ride in line with the cars, some drivers get upset because the bicyclists are supposed ride to the right. When bicyclists ride to the right, some drivers get upset because the bicyclists are supposed to ride in line with the cars.

+1
And when there are bikelanes, bikes ride to the right. If a car is turning right, it needs to be in the rightmost lane, so everyone is in line with the cars/bikes. If a bike is turning left, it needs to take the left lane so that the bikes/cars are in line at that point. This is not that hard.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

There's no way this is an actual cyclist. It's a driver who despises cyclists and is intentionally playing the worst stereotype out there to incite opinion against cyclists.

Yeah, I think so too. There's one particular bicyclist-hating poster who habitually posts bicyclist-hate on threads on DCUM, who insists that the law does not require bicyclists to stop at stop signs.

Now, in some places, it's true that the law does not require bicyclists to stop at stop signs. But the law in DC, Virginia, and Maryland does require bicyclists to stop at stop signs.

DP (have posted in this thread before, but I’m not the poster being quoted)

I’m a cyclist who mostly hates other cyclists - especially your types. The sort of goodie-two shoes “I follow the laws that are applicable to bikes and practicable when it suits me”…. Blehhhh. You sound like Dudley Doowright and Sheldon Cooper’s lovechild.

I’m a libertine and an antagonistic personality. I ride like a lunatic and an a-hole in traffic because I get a kick out of it. That’s the honest truth and I don’t care who knows it or who it pisses off. I run red lights in traffic. I blow stop signs. I deliberately buzz peds. I love shoaling at traffic lights and then catching a whole string of cars behind me. I’ve busted more car windows with my padlock than I have fingers and toes. I like being a dick. On my bike is the only place I’m free to be a jerk to strangers simply because I can. It’s a valuable outlet for me, and I enjoy the hell out of it.

Yes, I’m definitely a cyclist. Would you like to know about my bikes? Would that vet me? What group-set on each bike I ride? Whether SRAM cranksets can work with Shimano derailleurs? How to properly bleed Tektro hydraulic brake lines? How to replace old Avid BB5 pads? What B-screw adjustment does? Why anything Campy sucks? Which disk system uses mineral oil based fluid and which uses DOT-4? Why 1x drivetrains are sweetness? Why only D-bags ride Cervalo? You convinced yet? Should I go on?

I’m definitely a cyclist. I definitely enjoy being an a-hole on my bike. And I definitely hate know-it-all’s like you guys.

I ride because I get to be an outlaw on my bike. And that’s the truth.

If you're going for off-brand fiction you should get some pointers on writing style before you try to get published. You and every other troll have great imaginations but lack what it takes to make it in the industry. Keep working on it!

Still not convinced huh? I mean, I get it - your acknowledgment that I’m what I say I am gives a LOT of ammunition to people who hate anyone on a bike. So you have a lot vested in continuing to claim I’m not a rider. I think other people reading my earlier post that was all inside-baseball about wrenching on bikes know the truth though. And the truth is I’m a borderline sociopath who loves being on my bike because it’s the only place I can truly go/do/say/act whatever I want and stand a decent chance of getting away with it. And that’s why I love riding. The fact that I’m a blacksheep embarrassment to people like you is just a bonus.


Hmmmmmm… ask me something only an experienced rider would know?

I don’t care if you’re an experienced rider. You’re clearly a keyboard warrior. There’s no way you’ve smashed car windows or anything like that. You’re just an ordinary a-hole and no one cares. Bye.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

There's no way this is an actual cyclist. It's a driver who despises cyclists and is intentionally playing the worst stereotype out there to incite opinion against cyclists.

Yeah, I think so too. There's one particular bicyclist-hating poster who habitually posts bicyclist-hate on threads on DCUM, who insists that the law does not require bicyclists to stop at stop signs.

Now, in some places, it's true that the law does not require bicyclists to stop at stop signs. But the law in DC, Virginia, and Maryland does require bicyclists to stop at stop signs.

DP (have posted in this thread before, but I’m not the poster being quoted)

I’m a cyclist who mostly hates other cyclists - especially your types. The sort of goodie-two shoes “I follow the laws that are applicable to bikes and practicable when it suits me”…. Blehhhh. You sound like Dudley Doowright and Sheldon Cooper’s lovechild.

I’m a libertine and an antagonistic personality. I ride like a lunatic and an a-hole in traffic because I get a kick out of it. That’s the honest truth and I don’t care who knows it or who it pisses off. I run red lights in traffic. I blow stop signs. I deliberately buzz peds. I love shoaling at traffic lights and then catching a whole string of cars behind me. I’ve busted more car windows with my padlock than I have fingers and toes. I like being a dick. On my bike is the only place I’m free to be a jerk to strangers simply because I can. It’s a valuable outlet for me, and I enjoy the hell out of it.

Yes, I’m definitely a cyclist. Would you like to know about my bikes? Would that vet me? What group-set on each bike I ride? Whether SRAM cranksets can work with Shimano derailleurs? How to properly bleed Tektro hydraulic brake lines? How to replace old Avid BB5 pads? What B-screw adjustment does? Why anything Campy sucks? Which disk system uses mineral oil based fluid and which uses DOT-4? Why 1x drivetrains are sweetness? Why only D-bags ride Cervalo? You convinced yet? Should I go on?

I’m definitely a cyclist. I definitely enjoy being an a-hole on my bike. And I definitely hate know-it-all’s like you guys.

I ride because I get to be an outlaw on my bike. And that’s the truth.

If you're going for off-brand fiction you should get some pointers on writing style before you try to get published. You and every other troll have great imaginations but lack what it takes to make it in the industry. Keep working on it!

Still not convinced huh? I mean, I get it - your acknowledgment that I’m what I say I am gives a LOT of ammunition to people who hate anyone on a bike. So you have a lot vested in continuing to claim I’m not a rider. I think other people reading my earlier post that was all inside-baseball about wrenching on bikes know the truth though. And the truth is I’m a borderline sociopath who loves being on my bike because it’s the only place I can truly go/do/say/act whatever I want and stand a decent chance of getting away with it. And that’s why I love riding. The fact that I’m a blacksheep embarrassment to people like you is just a bonus.


Hmmmmmm… ask me something only an experienced rider would know?

I don’t care if you’re an experienced rider. You’re clearly a keyboard warrior. There’s no way you’ve smashed car windows or anything like that. You’re just an ordinary a-hole and no one cares. Bye.

Ooooooooo’k. Sure. So I’m being honest about all the other F’d up stuff I do, BUT when it comes to claiming I’ve used my padlock on a loop of chain to bust windows on cars that piss me off, THAT’s the part where I’m lying?!?! Bwahahaha!!!!

ProTip - locks aren’t the only thing for breaking windows. Ever hear of a Ninja Rock? They work even better than locks (which have to be swung REALLY hard, btw). You can just flick at a side window and it’ll break. Learned that from the kids in the neighborhood where I lived many years ago (WV ave and Trinidad ave). I carry a bunch of them in my topbar bag.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

There's no way this is an actual cyclist. It's a driver who despises cyclists and is intentionally playing the worst stereotype out there to incite opinion against cyclists.

Yeah, I think so too. There's one particular bicyclist-hating poster who habitually posts bicyclist-hate on threads on DCUM, who insists that the law does not require bicyclists to stop at stop signs.

Now, in some places, it's true that the law does not require bicyclists to stop at stop signs. But the law in DC, Virginia, and Maryland does require bicyclists to stop at stop signs.

DP (have posted in this thread before, but I’m not the poster being quoted)

I’m a cyclist who mostly hates other cyclists - especially your types. The sort of goodie-two shoes “I follow the laws that are applicable to bikes and practicable when it suits me”…. Blehhhh. You sound like Dudley Doowright and Sheldon Cooper’s lovechild.

I’m a libertine and an antagonistic personality. I ride like a lunatic and an a-hole in traffic because I get a kick out of it. That’s the honest truth and I don’t care who knows it or who it pisses off. I run red lights in traffic. I blow stop signs. I deliberately buzz peds. I love shoaling at traffic lights and then catching a whole string of cars behind me. I’ve busted more car windows with my padlock than I have fingers and toes. I like being a dick. On my bike is the only place I’m free to be a jerk to strangers simply because I can. It’s a valuable outlet for me, and I enjoy the hell out of it.

Yes, I’m definitely a cyclist. Would you like to know about my bikes? Would that vet me? What group-set on each bike I ride? Whether SRAM cranksets can work with Shimano derailleurs? How to properly bleed Tektro hydraulic brake lines? How to replace old Avid BB5 pads? What B-screw adjustment does? Why anything Campy sucks? Which disk system uses mineral oil based fluid and which uses DOT-4? Why 1x drivetrains are sweetness? Why only D-bags ride Cervalo? You convinced yet? Should I go on?

I’m definitely a cyclist. I definitely enjoy being an a-hole on my bike. And I definitely hate know-it-all’s like you guys.

I ride because I get to be an outlaw on my bike. And that’s the truth.

If you're going for off-brand fiction you should get some pointers on writing style before you try to get published. You and every other troll have great imaginations but lack what it takes to make it in the industry. Keep working on it!

Still not convinced huh? I mean, I get it - your acknowledgment that I’m what I say I am gives a LOT of ammunition to people who hate anyone on a bike. So you have a lot vested in continuing to claim I’m not a rider. I think other people reading my earlier post that was all inside-baseball about wrenching on bikes know the truth though. And the truth is I’m a borderline sociopath who loves being on my bike because it’s the only place I can truly go/do/say/act whatever I want and stand a decent chance of getting away with it. And that’s why I love riding. The fact that I’m a blacksheep embarrassment to people like you is just a bonus.


Hmmmmmm… ask me something only an experienced rider would know?

I don’t care if you’re an experienced rider. You’re clearly a keyboard warrior. There’s no way you’ve smashed car windows or anything like that. You’re just an ordinary a-hole and no one cares. Bye.

Ooooooooo’k. Sure. So I’m being honest about all the other F’d up stuff I do, BUT when it comes to claiming I’ve used my padlock on a loop of chain to bust windows on cars that piss me off, THAT’s the part where I’m lying?!?! Bwahahaha!!!!

ProTip - locks aren’t the only thing for breaking windows. Ever hear of a Ninja Rock? They work even better than locks (which have to be swung REALLY hard, btw). You can just flick at a side window and it’ll break. Learned that from the kids in the neighborhood where I lived many years ago (WV ave and Trinidad ave). I carry a bunch of them in my topbar bag.

Everyone in DC sees idiot jerks in both cars and on bikes. That's very believable.

But no one sees rampant road rage - that makes the news. Like your buddy who assaulted a driver and called him the N word. Yeah, he went to jail. You're just living in your fantasy world.

[Anonymous]

Hi, not going to read what a bunch of amateur wannabe lawyers wrote, given I am a DC lawyer, a driver, and a cyclist.

Use your turn signal.
Merge into or across the bike lane once you've confirmed it's clear, yielding to anyone else already in that lane (make your turn from the rightmost lane).
Any bikes coming up should now be stuck behind you or passing you on your left.
Stop at the line.
Proceed when it's your turn.


Yeah, OP didn't make their turn right, and did not have right of way to cross the bike lane because it was occupied, but the cyclist is also negligent and playing with fire, and passing a car on the right that is stopped at a stop sign with its turn signal on is a clear death wish (and the cyclist probably didn't stop at the stop sign either, which is always required, and definitely negligent and a death wish if they don't stop and people are clearly already there before).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Hi, not going to read what a bunch of amateur wannabe lawyers wrote, given I am a DC lawyer, a driver, and a cyclist.

Use your turn signal.
Merge into or across the bike lane once you've confirmed it's clear, yielding to anyone else already in that lane (make your turn from the rightmost lane).
Any bikes coming up should now be stuck behind you or passing you on your left.
Stop at the line.
Proceed when it's your turn.


Yeah, OP didn't make their turn right, and did not have right of way to cross the bike lane because it was occupied, but the cyclist is also negligent and playing with fire, and passing a car on the right that is stopped at a stop sign with its turn signal on is a clear death wish (and the cyclist probably didn't stop at the stop sign either, which is always required, and definitely negligent and a death wish if they don't stop and people are clearly already there before).

At a 4 way stop, you go in the order you arrived. The bike left prematurely.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

+1 Cyclist PP, you are completely in the wrong and are going to get killed blowing through stop signs. It is literally the law that you obey all traffic laws as if you were a car.

Sociopath PP is a sociopath.

But no, it is NOT literally the law that you obey all traffic laws as if you were a driver. Drivers have to obey one set of laws. Bicyclists have to obey a different set of laws. Pedestrians have to obey yet a different set of laws. I don't know where this "all the same laws apply to drivers and bicyclists" belief comes from.

Idaho rolls are not legal in dc https://bicycleuniverse.com/idaho-stop-law/ A stop sign is a stop sign for cyclists too no matter how much they wish otherwise.