Montgomery County- Universal Income

[Anonymous]

I'd feel better about this knowing the money is going to take care of basic needs. Rent, utilities, medical care, childcare. And a lesson in family and financial management.
PP was right, no reason for anyone in this county to go hungry, lack for clothes, or household furnishings. We have warehouses full of this stuff.

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Anonymous wrote:Jawando is all about policy that sounds good and nothing about understanding how to make the trains run. So tired of his rhetoric and damaging legislation.

There is nothing about UBI that “sounds good.”

If I can buy a used car rather than taking three little kids on two buses to get to daycare, that sounds good. If I can buy a washer and dryer, rather than spending hours on Saturday at a laundromat during a pandemic, that also sounds good. If I can afford to take unpaid time off from work so I can get a mammogram, that sounds really good.

If I can earn my way through life...that sounds good.

If I can use the low cost amenities like busses and laundry facilities rather than be on hook for expensive maintenance of these items.. that sounds good.

If I can use my time a health plan for heathcare.. that sounds good.

If I can care for myself and my family of my own independence and agency...that sounds good.

If you could stop belittling me with your outdated thoughts...well...that sounds really good.

I don’t think you have ever been a 6 year old on a December school night waiting with your sick mom in the cold wind 30 min for a bus to take you from grandma’s house (where you at least had dinner) across town to home. Actually the first of two buses because you have to transfer. A car would seem like a good investment to your mom, despite maintenance costs.

Wrong. I gre up working poor at best in Philly taking public transit everywhere. My cousins and silbings, and I were shuttled off to a patchwork of babysitting situations. Mom started out hauling food trays in nursing homes taking every shift she could get. Worked her way to an RN degree and a decent life. She worked 3 jobs to pay off the loans. Dad started out PT at Wawa. Then it was full time. Then he was able to get a job with one of their destributers taking on every weekend delivery he could. Then he went to night school to get his BSN. Then we had one car. Then no more laurdomat or dragging laundy to a relatives. Then is was a small beat up row house in a safe but poor neighborhood. Then it was 2 cars. Then we got to do activities. The catholic school. Life got better with hard work. Really hard work but it lead to better. Why deny anyone that opportunity with the finacial pacifier.

You seem traumatized by your childhood. Work on that rather than sentence others to your sad experience. They money won't help. I have worked with the truly poor and the money will go to the fast food place. Maybe vice of one kind or another. Maybe a trampoline for the kids. Probably not where you think it should go. Let them work their way up. You appreciate what you work for and make decisions with that value in mind.

You seem to be poisoned by conservative talk radio. I was poor. We didn’t eat fast food. My parents didn’t drink, smoke, do drugs, or gamble. Money went to rent, food, utilities, and medicine. Same for my neighbors.

You sound naive. I grew up in this enviornment. I know where the extra went.

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Anonymous wrote:I can't believe anyone would think a good way to address income equality, rather than working to bring up the bottom, is to get rid of the top. There is no case where if you have 10 people with a million dollar salary, and 10 with a 20,000 salary, getting rid of five of the millionaires to achieve better "income equality" makes things better.

We will lose more businesses, jobs, and high earners to VA.

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You should move. We are not a socialist society.

In some ways, we are. The unemployment extension went way beyond what a worker/employee paid into unemployment insurance. States like KY had not problems taking the extension on it. Medicaid expansion is also a form of socialism, and again, some red states had no problems accepting it.

Do socialist countries also allow an unmitigated inflow of undocumented immigrants? Or might they have some regulations in place to control that?

We have regulations in place, but a lot of businesses continue to flaunt those regulations and hire illegal immigrants. Maybe we need more regulations.

A wall doesn't prevent visa overstays, which is now the majority source of illegal immigration.

The former first lady also worked here illegally at one point. A wall didn't stop her, either.

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Anonymous wrote:Jawando is all about policy that sounds good and nothing about understanding how to make the trains run. So tired of his rhetoric and damaging legislation.

There is nothing about UBI that “sounds good.”

If I can buy a used car rather than taking three little kids on two buses to get to daycare, that sounds good. If I can buy a washer and dryer, rather than spending hours on Saturday at a laundromat during a pandemic, that also sounds good. If I can afford to take unpaid time off from work so I can get a mammogram, that sounds really good.

If I can earn my way through life...that sounds good.

If I can use the low cost amenities like busses and laundry facilities rather than be on hook for expensive maintenance of these items.. that sounds good.

If I can use my time a health plan for heathcare.. that sounds good.

If I can care for myself and my family of my own independence and agency...that sounds good.

If you could stop belittling me with your outdated thoughts...well...that sounds really good.

I don’t think you have ever been a 6 year old on a December school night waiting with your sick mom in the cold wind 30 min for a bus to take you from grandma’s house (where you at least had dinner) across town to home. Actually the first of two buses because you have to transfer. A car would seem like a good investment to your mom, despite maintenance costs.

Wrong. I gre up working poor at best in Philly taking public transit everywhere. My cousins and silbings, and I were shuttled off to a patchwork of babysitting situations. Mom started out hauling food trays in nursing homes taking every shift she could get. Worked her way to an RN degree and a decent life. She worked 3 jobs to pay off the loans. Dad started out PT at Wawa. Then it was full time. Then he was able to get a job with one of their destributers taking on every weekend delivery he could. Then he went to night school to get his BSN. Then we had one car. Then no more laurdomat or dragging laundy to a relatives. Then is was a small beat up row house in a safe but poor neighborhood. Then it was 2 cars. Then we got to do activities. The catholic school. Life got better with hard work. Really hard work but it lead to better. Why deny anyone that opportunity with the finacial pacifier.

You seem traumatized by your childhood. Work on that rather than sentence others to your sad experience. They money won't help. I have worked with the truly poor and the money will go to the fast food place. Maybe vice of one kind or another. Maybe a trampoline for the kids. Probably not where you think it should go. Let them work their way up. You appreciate what you work for and make decisions with that value in mind.

You seem to be poisoned by conservative talk radio. I was poor. We didn’t eat fast food. My parents didn’t drink, smoke, do drugs, or gamble. Money went to rent, food, utilities, and medicine. Same for my neighbors.

You seem poisoned by the far left. No one with any fiscal or ethical knowledge could support your position. You need to look no further than the inner cities to see these social problems in full force. Your denial does no one any good.

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Anonymous wrote:I can't believe anyone would think a good way to address income equality, rather than working to bring up the bottom, is to get rid of the top. There is no case where if you have 10 people with a million dollar salary, and 10 with a 20,000 salary, getting rid of five of the millionaires to achieve better "income equality" makes things better.

We will lose more businesses, jobs, and high earners to VA.

The two year study is based on a grant, not from taxes.

[Anonymous]

FREE (ok, well you are paying for it) BEER & TVS FOR ALL! Nevermind the labor shortage. Stay home. Chill. Model dysfunction no work ethic poverty for your children!

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Anonymous wrote:Jawando is all about policy that sounds good and nothing about understanding how to make the trains run. So tired of his rhetoric and damaging legislation.

Sounds exactly like Biden.

#truth

This. We are surrounded by absolute morons who have the best of intentions.

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Anonymous wrote:Great. When there already aren’t enough workers, people will get to buy a handle of vodka & Netflix & chill. Dumb public policy.

Riiiiight, because $800/month is enough to live the good life in MoCo. $800 would get you a shared room in a basement. Ten years ago.

However, it COULD make the difference for someone who needs to fix their car to get to a job interview, to not have to choose between utilities and groceries, or not have to ration insulin and die.

Why do you hate poor people? Give them skills to move up not money. Noone should have to be a dependent of the state.

Skills to move up. Right, a single mother with three minimum wage jobs and no childcare should just learn to code. Why didn’t we think of that?

How many single mothers are there with three minimum wage jobs and no childcare? Our country already has many, many safety net programs for situations like this, including: Medicaid, CHIP, SNAP, Earned Income Tax Credit, Section 8, Head First, subsidized cell phones, subsidized child care, Pell Grants, subsidized student loans, and on and on.

And a person who is working a minimum wage job is absolutely learning skills that can help her move up. Work at McDonalds? Move up to become a Shift Manager and then Assistant Manager. Use their scholarship program to take classes, etc.

Our entrenched underclass is not due to lack of a safety net. It is due to poor K-12 education, mental health problems, substance abuse, lack of work requirements and a continuing in-flow of uneducated immigrants.

DP... I can tell you don't know what it's like to be poor and have little kids. I grew up like this.

When do you think a single mother with young children has time to work FT, and take classes? Heck, I'm married with a higher income, and I would be too tired to take classes after working FT and dealing with little children. If I had to take public transport to/from my job, to get groceries, I would have zero energy to take classes at night. I spend the weekend now shuttling the kids around, running errands, and cooking for the coming week.

Low income typically have no access to laundry machines in their homes, so they spend the weekends or nights at the laundromat with their little kids.

I urge you to get involved with programs that deal with low income people. As the saying goes, being poor is expensive.

Don't underestimate the motivated. And don't underestimate the motivation of wanted better. Let them work toward success. Handouts ruin people and communities. Please have a heart and help them achieve independence. Stop sentencing them to your misguided beliefs. They deserve better.

Yes to all of this.

I seriously want to know if any of you grew up poor.

I don't necessary believe in handouts, but I do believe in providing either much higher wages or support to help people out of poverty. I don't like the idea of UBI, but I do think subsidies for childcare so people can work and good public transportation would help lower income people.

There is a rich neighborhood in MoCo that refuses to allow a bus stop in their neighborhood because of traffic concerns. But there is one section of that neighborhood that is lower income, and that bus stop would help the people there.

Name it here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jawando is all about policy that sounds good and nothing about understanding how to make the trains run. So tired of his rhetoric and damaging legislation.

Sounds exactly like Biden.

#truth

This. We are surrounded by absolute morons who have the best of intentions.

I sometimes wonder if it is well intended. Most of this seems cruel.

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Anonymous wrote:I can't believe anyone would think a good way to address income equality, rather than working to bring up the bottom, is to get rid of the top. There is no case where if you have 10 people with a million dollar salary, and 10 with a 20,000 salary, getting rid of five of the millionaires to achieve better "income equality" makes things better.

We will lose more businesses, jobs, and high earners to VA.

The two year study is based on a grant, not from taxes.

Where's the county finding the 2 million it's responsible for?

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Anonymous wrote:And, where will they get the money from? More taxes.

Actually they would get a foundation to fund about 90% of it

What foundation? Provide specifics, don't make assertions that you fail to support.

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Anonymous wrote:Jawando is all about policy that sounds good and nothing about understanding how to make the trains run. So tired of his rhetoric and damaging legislation.

There is nothing about UBI that “sounds good.”

If I can buy a used car rather than taking three little kids on two buses to get to daycare, that sounds good. If I can buy a washer and dryer, rather than spending hours on Saturday at a laundromat during a pandemic, that also sounds good. If I can afford to take unpaid time off from work so I can get a mammogram, that sounds really good.

If I can earn my way through life...that sounds good.

If I can use the low cost amenities like busses and laundry facilities rather than be on hook for expensive maintenance of these items.. that sounds good.

If I can use my time a health plan for heathcare.. that sounds good.

If I can care for myself and my family of my own independence and agency...that sounds good.

If you could stop belittling me with your outdated thoughts...well...that sounds really good.

I don’t think you have ever been a 6 year old on a December school night waiting with your sick mom in the cold wind 30 min for a bus to take you from grandma’s house (where you at least had dinner) across town to home. Actually the first of two buses because you have to transfer. A car would seem like a good investment to your mom, despite maintenance costs.

Wrong. I gre up working poor at best in Philly taking public transit everywhere. My cousins and silbings, and I were shuttled off to a patchwork of babysitting situations. Mom started out hauling food trays in nursing homes taking every shift she could get. Worked her way to an RN degree and a decent life. She worked 3 jobs to pay off the loans. Dad started out PT at Wawa. Then it was full time. Then he was able to get a job with one of their destributers taking on every weekend delivery he could. Then he went to night school to get his BSN. Then we had one car. Then no more laurdomat or dragging laundy to a relatives. Then is was a small beat up row house in a safe but poor neighborhood. Then it was 2 cars. Then we got to do activities. The catholic school. Life got better with hard work. Really hard work but it lead to better. Why deny anyone that opportunity with the finacial pacifier.

You seem traumatized by your childhood. Work on that rather than sentence others to your sad experience. They money won't help. I have worked with the truly poor and the money will go to the fast food place. Maybe vice of one kind or another. Maybe a trampoline for the kids. Probably not where you think it should go. Let them work their way up. You appreciate what you work for and make decisions with that value in mind.

You seem to be poisoned by conservative talk radio. I was poor. We didn’t eat fast food. My parents didn’t drink, smoke, do drugs, or gamble. Money went to rent, food, utilities, and medicine. Same for my neighbors.

You sound naive. I grew up in this enviornment. I know where the extra went.

You sound jaded. I also grew up in that environment. I watched neighbors save an extra money for a first communion or donate it to a family trying to pay for a funeral. If you saw so much drugging, is that where your parents spent any extra money? Doesn’t sound like it. Why were your parents so special and why don’t you think there could be other hard working, honest poor people.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jawando is all about policy that sounds good and nothing about understanding how to make the trains run. So tired of his rhetoric and damaging legislation.

There is nothing about UBI that “sounds good.”

If I can buy a used car rather than taking three little kids on two buses to get to daycare, that sounds good. If I can buy a washer and dryer, rather than spending hours on Saturday at a laundromat during a pandemic, that also sounds good. If I can afford to take unpaid time off from work so I can get a mammogram, that sounds really good.

If I can earn my way through life...that sounds good.

If I can use the low cost amenities like busses and laundry facilities rather than be on hook for expensive maintenance of these items.. that sounds good.

If I can use my time a health plan for heathcare.. that sounds good.

If I can care for myself and my family of my own independence and agency...that sounds good.

If you could stop belittling me with your outdated thoughts...well...that sounds really good.

I don’t think you have ever been a 6 year old on a December school night waiting with your sick mom in the cold wind 30 min for a bus to take you from grandma’s house (where you at least had dinner) across town to home. Actually the first of two buses because you have to transfer. A car would seem like a good investment to your mom, despite maintenance costs.

Wrong. I gre up working poor at best in Philly taking public transit everywhere. My cousins and silbings, and I were shuttled off to a patchwork of babysitting situations. Mom started out hauling food trays in nursing homes taking every shift she could get. Worked her way to an RN degree and a decent life. She worked 3 jobs to pay off the loans. Dad started out PT at Wawa. Then it was full time. Then he was able to get a job with one of their destributers taking on every weekend delivery he could. Then he went to night school to get his BSN. Then we had one car. Then no more laurdomat or dragging laundy to a relatives. Then is was a small beat up row house in a safe but poor neighborhood. Then it was 2 cars. Then we got to do activities. The catholic school. Life got better with hard work. Really hard work but it lead to better. Why deny anyone that opportunity with the finacial pacifier.

You seem traumatized by your childhood. Work on that rather than sentence others to your sad experience. They money won't help. I have worked with the truly poor and the money will go to the fast food place. Maybe vice of one kind or another. Maybe a trampoline for the kids. Probably not where you think it should go. Let them work their way up. You appreciate what you work for and make decisions with that value in mind.

You seem to be poisoned by conservative talk radio. I was poor. We didn’t eat fast food. My parents didn’t drink, smoke, do drugs, or gamble. Money went to rent, food, utilities, and medicine. Same for my neighbors.

You sound naive. I grew up in this enviornment. I know where the extra went.

You sound jaded. I also grew up in that environment. I watched neighbors save an extra money for a first communion or donate it to a family trying to pay for a funeral. If you saw so much drugging, is that where your parents spent any extra money? Doesn’t sound like it. Why were your parents so special and why don’t you think there could be other hard working, honest poor people.

Hardworking people don't accept handouts.

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Anonymous wrote:I can't believe anyone would think a good way to address income equality, rather than working to bring up the bottom, is to get rid of the top. There is no case where if you have 10 people with a million dollar salary, and 10 with a 20,000 salary, getting rid of five of the millionaires to achieve better "income equality" makes things better.

We will lose more businesses, jobs, and high earners to VA.

The two year study is based on a grant, not from taxes.

Where's the county finding the 2 million it's responsible for?

The whole thing costs $5.76 million, and the county is pulling from the reserves for the first $2 million. The Meyer foundation is paying a million as well. While the county will seek grant funding elsewhere, there is no guarantee of awards. So the remaining $2.76 million may be on taxpayers' shoulders. The county will likely shoulder 83% of the cost of this.