Montgomery County- Universal Income

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Anonymous wrote:I can get behind hire wages for workers. That’s a cause that makes sense to me.

But UBI? How about undocumented immigrants? Will they also be eligible for UBI?

We already have all this. MoCo passed $15/hr minimum wage a few years ago. Also there is both the MD and MoC earned income tax credit for low income families.

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Anonymous wrote:what’s going to happen is that people won’t like how far left the county is moving and will start voting those people out of office. I also wonder if with the current governor election in Virginia if they’re going to look across the river and vote Republican because they don’t want to see that happen in their county/state. I’m probably exaggerating the situation but if I thought of it I’m sure others have as well.

No they won’t. There is no too far left in MOCO these days. Anything goes.

Yep. Jawando and Elrich got rid of SROs in schools. This is the logical next step for them to pursue. As left as we can go is their motto. And people keep voting for the same types of politicians, so it’s what the public wants.

Actually, I hope we move leftward over the next election. First of all it would be nice to not have to fight against a Republican governor. Secondly I hope we can kick the developer-funded councilmembers out. Will be nice to see Riemer and Friedson gone, those two are the worst. The only really good councilmember we have is Jawando.
Elrich 200% must be re-elected. Would be great to elect someone like Brandy Brooks to the Council, and I also like Kristin Mink. There are great candidates for D2 and D4 as well. We need fewer white men on the council.

Montgomery County is changing and that’s a really good thing. It doesn’t have to be all posh and white. I’d gladly kick out some of the multimillionaires if they are the ones trying to block progress for everyone else. Fewer mega rich people is fine if it means less income inequality. I’d like MoCo to be the national leader in reducing income inequality and making more progress in racial justice.

If you don’t like it, you can leave. That means fewer reactionaries in the way of the rest of us in creating the kind of society we want to live in. Get the knuckledraggers out of the way and we can build a Scandinavian type system right here in America.

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Anonymous wrote:what’s going to happen is that people won’t like how far left the county is moving and will start voting those people out of office. I also wonder if with the current governor election in Virginia if they’re going to look across the river and vote Republican because they don’t want to see that happen in their county/state. I’m probably exaggerating the situation but if I thought of it I’m sure others have as well.

No they won’t. There is no too far left in MOCO these days. Anything goes.

Yep. Jawando and Elrich got rid of SROs in schools. This is the logical next step for them to pursue. As left as we can go is their motto. And people keep voting for the same types of politicians, so it’s what the public wants.

Actually, I hope we move leftward over the next election. First of all it would be nice to not have to fight against a Republican governor. Secondly I hope we can kick the developer-funded councilmembers out. Will be nice to see Riemer and Friedson gone, those two are the worst. The only really good councilmember we have is Jawando.
Elrich 200% must be re-elected. Would be great to elect someone like Brandy Brooks to the Council, and I also like Kristin Mink. There are great candidates for D2 and D4 as well. We need fewer white men on the council.

Montgomery County is changing and that’s a really good thing. It doesn’t have to be all posh and white. I’d gladly kick out some of the multimillionaires if they are the ones trying to block progress for everyone else. Fewer mega rich people is fine if it means less income inequality. I’d like MoCo to be the national leader in reducing income inequality and making more progress in racial justice.

If you don’t like it, you can leave. That means fewer reactionaries in the way of the rest of us in creating the kind of society we want to live in. Get the knuckledraggers out of the way and we can build a Scandinavian type system right here in America.

Or, you could just move to California. Go right ahead.

Scandinavia? You’re using Scandinavia as your goal? Such hypocrisy. Do you hate diversity? Lots of people of color in Scandinavia, right?

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Anonymous wrote:what’s going to happen is that people won’t like how far left the county is moving and will start voting those people out of office. I also wonder if with the current governor election in Virginia if they’re going to look across the river and vote Republican because they don’t want to see that happen in their county/state. I’m probably exaggerating the situation but if I thought of it I’m sure others have as well.

No they won’t. There is no too far left in MOCO these days. Anything goes.

Yep. Jawando and Elrich got rid of SROs in schools. This is the logical next step for them to pursue. As left as we can go is their motto. And people keep voting for the same types of politicians, so it’s what the public wants.

Actually, I hope we move leftward over the next election. First of all it would be nice to not have to fight against a Republican governor. Secondly I hope we can kick the developer-funded councilmembers out. Will be nice to see Riemer and Friedson gone, those two are the worst. The only really good councilmember we have is Jawando.
Elrich 200% must be re-elected. Would be great to elect someone like Brandy Brooks to the Council, and I also like Kristin Mink. There are great candidates for D2 and D4 as well. We need fewer white men on the council.

Montgomery County is changing and that’s a really good thing. It doesn’t have to be all posh and white. I’d gladly kick out some of the multimillionaires if they are the ones trying to block progress for everyone else. Fewer mega rich people is fine if it means less income inequality. I’d like MoCo to be the national leader in reducing income inequality and making more progress in racial justice.

If you don’t like it, you can leave. That means fewer reactionaries in the way of the rest of us in creating the kind of society we want to live in. Get the knuckledraggers out of the way and we can build a Scandinavian type system right here in America.

You should move. We are not a socialist society.

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Anonymous wrote:Jawando is all about policy that sounds good and nothing about understanding how to make the trains run. So tired of his rhetoric and damaging legislation.

Sounds exactly like Biden.

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Anonymous wrote:Jawando is all about policy that sounds good and nothing about understanding how to make the trains run. So tired of his rhetoric and damaging legislation.

Sounds exactly like Biden.

#truth

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Anonymous wrote:Great. When there already aren’t enough workers, people will get to buy a handle of vodka & Netflix & chill. Dumb public policy.

Riiiiight, because $800/month is enough to live the good life in MoCo. $800 would get you a shared room in a basement. Ten years ago.

However, it COULD make the difference for someone who needs to fix their car to get to a job interview, to not have to choose between utilities and groceries, or not have to ration insulin and die.

Why do you hate poor people? Give them skills to move up not money. Noone should have to be a dependent of the state.

Skills to move up. Right, a single mother with three minimum wage jobs and no childcare should just learn to code. Why didn’t we think of that?

How many single mothers are there with three minimum wage jobs and no childcare? Our country already has many, many safety net programs for situations like this, including: Medicaid, CHIP, SNAP, Earned Income Tax Credit, Section 8, Head First, subsidized cell phones, subsidized child care, Pell Grants, subsidized student loans, and on and on.

And a person who is working a minimum wage job is absolutely learning skills that can help her move up. Work at McDonalds? Move up to become a Shift Manager and then Assistant Manager. Use their scholarship program to take classes, etc.

Our entrenched underclass is not due to lack of a safety net. It is due to poor K-12 education, mental health problems, substance abuse, lack of work requirements and a continuing in-flow of uneducated immigrants.

DP... I can tell you don't know what it's like to be poor and have little kids. I grew up like this.

When do you think a single mother with young children has time to work FT, and take classes? Heck, I'm married with a higher income, and I would be too tired to take classes after working FT and dealing with little children. If I had to take public transport to/from my job, to get groceries, I would have zero energy to take classes at night. I spend the weekend now shuttling the kids around, running errands, and cooking for the coming week.

Low income typically have no access to laundry machines in their homes, so they spend the weekends or nights at the laundromat with their little kids.

I urge you to get involved with programs that deal with low income people. As the saying goes, being poor is expensive.

Don't underestimate the motivated. And don't underestimate the motivation of wanted better. Let them work toward success. Handouts ruin people and communities. Please have a heart and help them achieve independence. Stop sentencing them to your misguided beliefs. They deserve better.

Yes to all of this.

I seriously want to know if any of you grew up poor.

I don't necessary believe in handouts, but I do believe in providing either much higher wages or support to help people out of poverty. I don't like the idea of UBI, but I do think subsidies for childcare so people can work and good public transportation would help lower income people.

There is a rich neighborhood in MoCo that refuses to allow a bus stop in their neighborhood because of traffic concerns. But there is one section of that neighborhood that is lower income, and that bus stop would help the people there.

Later in my childhood, yes. We even lost our home. But bad policy is bad policy. It doesn’t matter your personal life experience. UBI is bad policy.

And did you have a single parent? Were you a latchkey kid? I had two working parents, but I was still a latchkey kid because they both had to work, in menial jobs, to pay the rent and buy food.

I don't agree with UBI, but I have a lot of empathy for poor, struggling parents since I saw the way my parents struggled.

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You should move. We are not a socialist society.

In some ways, we are. The unemployment extension went way beyond what a worker/employee paid into unemployment insurance. States like KY had not problems taking the extension on it. Medicaid expansion is also a form of socialism, and again, some red states had no problems accepting it.

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You should move. We are not a socialist society.

In some ways, we are. The unemployment extension went way beyond what a worker/employee paid into unemployment insurance. States like KY had not problems taking the extension on it. Medicaid expansion is also a form of socialism, and again, some red states had no problems accepting it.

Do socialist countries also allow an unmitigated inflow of undocumented immigrants? Or might they have some regulations in place to control that?

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Anonymous wrote:Sweet! Imma quit my job.

You only make $800/mo?

You’d live in a cardboard box in MoCo.

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Anonymous wrote:Jawando is all about policy that sounds good and nothing about understanding how to make the trains run. So tired of his rhetoric and damaging legislation.

There is nothing about UBI that “sounds good.”

If I can buy a used car rather than taking three little kids on two buses to get to daycare, that sounds good. If I can buy a washer and dryer, rather than spending hours on Saturday at a laundromat during a pandemic, that also sounds good. If I can afford to take unpaid time off from work so I can get a mammogram, that sounds really good.

If I can earn my way through life...that sounds good.

If I can use the low cost amenities like busses and laundry facilities rather than be on hook for expensive maintenance of these items.. that sounds good.

If I can use my time a health plan for heathcare.. that sounds good.

If I can care for myself and my family of my own independence and agency...that sounds good.

If you could stop belittling me with your outdated thoughts...well...that sounds really good.

I don’t think you have ever been a 6 year old on a December school night waiting with your sick mom in the cold wind 30 min for a bus to take you from grandma’s house (where you at least had dinner) across town to home. Actually the first of two buses because you have to transfer. A car would seem like a good investment to your mom, despite maintenance costs.

Wrong. I gre up working poor at best in Philly taking public transit everywhere. My cousins and silbings, and I were shuttled off to a patchwork of babysitting situations. Mom started out hauling food trays in nursing homes taking every shift she could get. Worked her way to an RN degree and a decent life. She worked 3 jobs to pay off the loans. Dad started out PT at Wawa. Then it was full time. Then he was able to get a job with one of their destributers taking on every weekend delivery he could. Then he went to night school to get his BSN. Then we had one car. Then no more laurdomat or dragging laundy to a relatives. Then is was a small beat up row house in a safe but poor neighborhood. Then it was 2 cars. Then we got to do activities. The catholic school. Life got better with hard work. Really hard work but it lead to better. Why deny anyone that opportunity with the finacial pacifier.

You seem traumatized by your childhood. Work on that rather than sentence others to your sad experience. They money won't help. I have worked with the truly poor and the money will go to the fast food place. Maybe vice of one kind or another. Maybe a trampoline for the kids. Probably not where you think it should go. Let them work their way up. You appreciate what you work for and make decisions with that value in mind.

You seem to be poisoned by conservative talk radio. I was poor. We didn’t eat fast food. My parents didn’t drink, smoke, do drugs, or gamble. Money went to rent, food, utilities, and medicine. Same for my neighbors.

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Anonymous wrote:what’s going to happen is that people won’t like how far left the county is moving and will start voting those people out of office. I also wonder if with the current governor election in Virginia if they’re going to look across the river and vote Republican because they don’t want to see that happen in their county/state. I’m probably exaggerating the situation but if I thought of it I’m sure others have as well.

No they won’t. There is no too far left in MOCO these days. Anything goes.

Yep. Jawando and Elrich got rid of SROs in schools. This is the logical next step for them to pursue. As left as we can go is their motto. And people keep voting for the same types of politicians, so it’s what the public wants.

Actually, I hope we move leftward over the next election. First of all it would be nice to not have to fight against a Republican governor. Secondly I hope we can kick the developer-funded councilmembers out. Will be nice to see Riemer and Friedson gone, those two are the worst. The only really good councilmember we have is Jawando.
Elrich 200% must be re-elected. Would be great to elect someone like Brandy Brooks to the Council, and I also like Kristin Mink. There are great candidates for D2 and D4 as well. We need fewer white men on the council.

Montgomery County is changing and that’s a really good thing. It doesn’t have to be all posh and white. I’d gladly kick out some of the multimillionaires if they are the ones trying to block progress for everyone else. Fewer mega rich people is fine if it means less income inequality. I’d like MoCo to be the national leader in reducing income inequality and making more progress in racial justice.

If you don’t like it, you can leave. That means fewer reactionaries in the way of the rest of us in creating the kind of society we want to live in. Get the knuckledraggers out of the way and we can build a Scandinavian type system right here in America.

This has to be a troll post. You can’t pay for the social programs you want without tax revenue. Who’s paying in the taxes? The business sector.

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I can't believe anyone would think a good way to address income equality, rather than working to bring up the bottom, is to get rid of the top. There is no case where if you have 10 people with a million dollar salary, and 10 with a 20,000 salary, getting rid of five of the millionaires to achieve better "income equality" makes things better.

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This program will be a disaster. No oversight on how the money will be used. daycare are many food and clothing programs so no excuse for anyone to go hungry and purchase clothing. I would rather this money fund low cost daycares since it sounds like that there are a ton of single moms with many kids working 3 jobs. Or fill some vacant government jobs and pay these people a loving wage with benefits.
At the end of the program, what happens? The money goes away and no one is better for it. It doesn't seem right to fund families where no one is working or trying to move up.

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