Montgomery County- Universal Income

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Anonymous wrote:$800 gets you:
Grocery expenses for a family of 4 for a month
Cable, wifi, internet and a phone plan

So take your pick of the 2. The rest of the time you would have to live under a bridge

You must be joking. We are at 375-400+/week now for a family of only 3. We eat dinner at home 6 days a week. Poor folks do 7 days a week.

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^^ 375-400 for groceries only. Cell phones 215/month. Cable and WI fi 180/mo

[Anonymous]

I'd immediately leave if it ever happened. The county already is deep in the hole and its finances already stink. They'd have to raise taxes even more. And why the hell would I pay more taxes to give UBI to citizens from other countries that are here illegally? MoCo rolls out the red carpet for illegal immigrants.

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Anonymous wrote:Jawando is all about policy that sounds good and nothing about understanding how to make the trains run. So tired of his rhetoric and damaging legislation.

There is nothing about UBI that “sounds good.”

If I can buy a used car rather than taking three little kids on two buses to get to daycare, that sounds good. If I can buy a washer and dryer, rather than spending hours on Saturday at a laundromat during a pandemic, that also sounds good. If I can afford to take unpaid time off from work so I can get a mammogram, that sounds really good.

If I can earn my way through life...that sounds good.

If I can use the low cost amenities like busses and laundry facilities rather than be on hook for expensive maintenance of these items.. that sounds good.

If I can use my time a health plan for heathcare.. that sounds good.

If I can care for myself and my family of my own independence and agency...that sounds good.

If you could stop belittling me with your outdated thoughts...well...that sounds really good.

I don’t think you have ever been a 6 year old on a December school night waiting with your sick mom in the cold wind 30 min for a bus to take you from grandma’s house (where you at least had dinner) across town to home. Actually the first of two buses because you have to transfer. A car would seem like a good investment to your mom, despite maintenance costs.

Wrong. I gre up working poor at best in Philly taking public transit everywhere. My cousins and silbings, and I were shuttled off to a patchwork of babysitting situations. Mom started out hauling food trays in nursing homes taking every shift she could get. Worked her way to an RN degree and a decent life. She worked 3 jobs to pay off the loans. Dad started out PT at Wawa. Then it was full time. Then he was able to get a job with one of their destributers taking on every weekend delivery he could. Then he went to night school to get his BSN. Then we had one car. Then no more laurdomat or dragging laundy to a relatives. Then is was a small beat up row house in a safe but poor neighborhood. Then it was 2 cars. Then we got to do activities. The catholic school. Life got better with hard work. Really hard work but it lead to better. Why deny anyone that opportunity with the finacial pacifier.

You seem traumatized by your childhood. Work on that rather than sentence others to your sad experience. They money won't help. I have worked with the truly poor and the money will go to the fast food place. Maybe vice of one kind or another. Maybe a trampoline for the kids. Probably not where you think it should go. Let them work their way up. You appreciate what you work for and make decisions with that value in mind.

You seem to be poisoned by conservative talk radio. I was poor. We didn’t eat fast food. My parents didn’t drink, smoke, do drugs, or gamble. Money went to rent, food, utilities, and medicine. Same for my neighbors.

You sound naive. I grew up in this enviornment. I know where the extra went.

You sound jaded. I also grew up in that environment. I watched neighbors save an extra money for a first communion or donate it to a family trying to pay for a funeral. If you saw so much drugging, is that where your parents spent any extra money? Doesn’t sound like it. Why were your parents so special and why don’t you think there could be other hard working, honest poor people.

Hardworking people don't accept handouts.

That's BS. Only too proud people don't accept handout.

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Anonymous wrote:what’s going to happen is that people won’t like how far left the county is moving and will start voting those people out of office. I also wonder if with the current governor election in Virginia if they’re going to look across the river and vote Republican because they don’t want to see that happen in their county/state. I’m probably exaggerating the situation but if I thought of it I’m sure others have as well.

No they won’t. There is no too far left in MOCO these days. Anything goes.

Yep. Jawando and Elrich got rid of SROs in schools. This is the logical next step for them to pursue. As left as we can go is their motto. And people keep voting for the same types of politicians, so it’s what the public wants.

Actually, I hope we move leftward over the next election. First of all it would be nice to not have to fight against a Republican governor. Secondly I hope we can kick the developer-funded councilmembers out. Will be nice to see Riemer and Friedson gone, those two are the worst. The only really good councilmember we have is Jawando.
Elrich 200% must be re-elected. Would be great to elect someone like Brandy Brooks to the Council, and I also like Kristin Mink. There are great candidates for D2 and D4 as well. We need fewer white men on the council.

Montgomery County is changing and that’s a really good thing. It doesn’t have to be all posh and white. I’d gladly kick out some of the multimillionaires if they are the ones trying to block progress for everyone else. Fewer mega rich people is fine if it means less income inequality. I’d like MoCo to be the national leader in reducing income inequality and making more progress in racial justice.

If you don’t like it, you can leave. That means fewer reactionaries in the way of the rest of us in creating the kind of society we want to live in. Get the knuckledraggers out of the way and we can build a Scandinavian type system right here in America.

Lol, racist demands white people move so that they can setup a society modeled after gigantically majority white countries.

Oh the hypocrisy.

Goddamn you looney bins in Takoma Park and Silver Spring are truly, mind warpingly stupid.

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Alaska currently pays its residents $1000 to $2000 per person. They've been doing this for a while.

Some places in NoVa are looking at doing the same thing - Arlington and Alexandria. DC also does this. So for those who say they will move to NoVa, good luck.

https://www.npr.org/local/305/2021/10/26/1049266089/montgomery-county-to-weigh-sending-800-a-month-to-low-income-families-for-two-years

The folks who are going to be in the pilot will be vetted by the county. You can't sign up for it. The county will hand select the people.

While I'm not a fan of UBI, at least it's not a free for all.

Whether the money comes from special appropriation budget or federal money (as NoVa is doing), it ends up in the same pot that gets doled out however the county sees fit.

How did the Stockton experiment go?

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If your tax base (the multimillionaires you mentioned) leaves, who’s gonna pay for your utopia?

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Anonymous wrote:Alaska currently pays its residents $1000 to $2000 per person. They've been doing this for a while.

Some places in NoVa are looking at doing the same thing - Arlington and Alexandria. DC also does this. So for those who say they will move to NoVa, good luck.

https://www.npr.org/local/305/2021/10/26/1049266089/montgomery-county-to-weigh-sending-800-a-month-to-low-income-families-for-two-years

The folks who are going to be in the pilot will be vetted by the county. You can't sign up for it. The county will hand select the people.

While I'm not a fan of UBI, at least it's not a free for all.

Whether the money comes from special appropriation budget or federal money (as NoVa is doing), it ends up in the same pot that gets doled out however the county sees fit.

How did the Stockton experiment go?

Alaska basically has a sovereign wealth fund though, numb nuts. That's not even remotely a fair comparison. The leftists in Takoma Park are utterly too stupid to run finances correctly to ever get something like a sovereign wealth fund up and running..lol, Alaska gets all of that money too from oil and greenhouse gas producing commodities, which would be a big no no for the idiots in Takoma Park.

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Anonymous wrote:I'd immediately leave if it ever happened. The county already is deep in the hole and its finances already stink. They'd have to raise taxes even more. And why the hell would I pay more taxes to give UBI to citizens from other countries that are here illegally? MoCo rolls out the red carpet for illegal immigrants.

While I'm not a huge fan of UBI, MoCo bond rating is a AAA. I assume you know what that means, right?

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Anonymous wrote:Jawando is all about policy that sounds good and nothing about understanding how to make the trains run. So tired of his rhetoric and damaging legislation.

There is nothing about UBI that “sounds good.”

If I can buy a used car rather than taking three little kids on two buses to get to daycare, that sounds good. If I can buy a washer and dryer, rather than spending hours on Saturday at a laundromat during a pandemic, that also sounds good. If I can afford to take unpaid time off from work so I can get a mammogram, that sounds really good.

If I can earn my way through life...that sounds good.

If I can use the low cost amenities like busses and laundry facilities rather than be on hook for expensive maintenance of these items.. that sounds good.

If I can use my time a health plan for heathcare.. that sounds good.

If I can care for myself and my family of my own independence and agency...that sounds good.

If you could stop belittling me with your outdated thoughts...well...that sounds really good.

I don’t think you have ever been a 6 year old on a December school night waiting with your sick mom in the cold wind 30 min for a bus to take you from grandma’s house (where you at least had dinner) across town to home. Actually the first of two buses because you have to transfer. A car would seem like a good investment to your mom, despite maintenance costs.

Wrong. I gre up working poor at best in Philly taking public transit everywhere. My cousins and silbings, and I were shuttled off to a patchwork of babysitting situations. Mom started out hauling food trays in nursing homes taking every shift she could get. Worked her way to an RN degree and a decent life. She worked 3 jobs to pay off the loans. Dad started out PT at Wawa. Then it was full time. Then he was able to get a job with one of their destributers taking on every weekend delivery he could. Then he went to night school to get his BSN. Then we had one car. Then no more laurdomat or dragging laundy to a relatives. Then is was a small beat up row house in a safe but poor neighborhood. Then it was 2 cars. Then we got to do activities. The catholic school. Life got better with hard work. Really hard work but it lead to better. Why deny anyone that opportunity with the finacial pacifier.

You seem traumatized by your childhood. Work on that rather than sentence others to your sad experience. They money won't help. I have worked with the truly poor and the money will go to the fast food place. Maybe vice of one kind or another. Maybe a trampoline for the kids. Probably not where you think it should go. Let them work their way up. You appreciate what you work for and make decisions with that value in mind.

You seem to be poisoned by conservative talk radio. I was poor. We didn’t eat fast food. My parents didn’t drink, smoke, do drugs, or gamble. Money went to rent, food, utilities, and medicine. Same for my neighbors.

You sound naive. I grew up in this enviornment. I know where the extra went.

You sound jaded. I also grew up in that environment. I watched neighbors save an extra money for a first communion or donate it to a family trying to pay for a funeral. If you saw so much drugging, is that where your parents spent any extra money? Doesn’t sound like it. Why were your parents so special and why don’t you think there could be other hard working, honest poor people.

Hardworking people don't accept handouts.

I completely agree. I don't deduct my mortgage interest, my property taxes, my state income taxes, or my investment losses from my income when I file taxes. I also never check books out from the library, I refuse to use the Chipotle app to get free guacamole, and I only drive my car on private toll roads. Hardworking freedom-loving patriots such as ourselves never accept handouts!

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Anonymous wrote:Alaska currently pays its residents $1000 to $2000 per person. They've been doing this for a while.

Some places in NoVa are looking at doing the same thing - Arlington and Alexandria. DC also does this. So for those who say they will move to NoVa, good luck.

https://www.npr.org/local/305/2021/10/26/1049266089/montgomery-county-to-weigh-sending-800-a-month-to-low-income-families-for-two-years

The folks who are going to be in the pilot will be vetted by the county. You can't sign up for it. The county will hand select the people.

While I'm not a fan of UBI, at least it's not a free for all.

Whether the money comes from special appropriation budget or federal money (as NoVa is doing), it ends up in the same pot that gets doled out however the county sees fit.

How did the Stockton experiment go?

Alaska basically has a sovereign wealth fund though, numb nuts. That's not even remotely a fair comparison. The leftists in Takoma Park are utterly too stupid to run finances correctly to ever get something like a sovereign wealth fund up and running..lol, Alaska gets all of that money too from oil and greenhouse gas producing commodities, which would be a big no no for the idiots in Takoma Park.

At the end of the day, oil revenue for the state is part of their budget. And AK has one of the highest sales tax rates in the country. Income tax is lower because they have oil revenue and high sales tax, but regardless, it's expensive to live in AK. And there are a lot of poor people there.

I hear WV is trying to attract people to live there by giving out money. I assume that's taxpayer money that a lot of poor people in WV could use, too.

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Anonymous wrote:And, where will they get the money from? More taxes.

Actually they would get a foundation to fund about 90% of it

You are wrong. Tax payers will foot 2/3 of the bill, not 10%.
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Montgomery County will work with the Meyer Foundation, a foundation that “pursues and invests in solutions that build an equitable Greater Washington community in which economically disadvantaged people thrive,” according to its website.

The initial rollout of the pilot will consist of $1,993,832 from the county government’s general fund reserves, and $1 million from the Meyer Foundation, council staff documents show. The total cost of the pilot for 24 months is $5.76 million.”

https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/government/county-to-try-income-boost-program-in-which-300-households-get-800-a-month/

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Anonymous wrote:what’s going to happen is that people won’t like how far left the county is moving and will start voting those people out of office. I also wonder if with the current governor election in Virginia if they’re going to look across the river and vote Republican because they don’t want to see that happen in their county/state. I’m probably exaggerating the situation but if I thought of it I’m sure others have as well.

No they won’t. There is no too far left in MOCO these days. Anything goes.

Yep. Jawando and Elrich got rid of SROs in schools. This is the logical next step for them to pursue. As left as we can go is their motto. And people keep voting for the same types of politicians, so it’s what the public wants.

Actually, I hope we move leftward over the next election. First of all it would be nice to not have to fight against a Republican governor. Secondly I hope we can kick the developer-funded councilmembers out. Will be nice to see Riemer and Friedson gone, those two are the worst. The only really good councilmember we have is Jawando.
Elrich 200% must be re-elected. Would be great to elect someone like Brandy Brooks to the Council, and I also like Kristin Mink. There are great candidates for D2 and D4 as well. We need fewer white men on the council.

Montgomery County is changing and that’s a really good thing. It doesn’t have to be all posh and white. I’d gladly kick out some of the multimillionaires if they are the ones trying to block progress for everyone else. Fewer mega rich people is fine if it means less income inequality. I’d like MoCo to be the national leader in reducing income inequality and making more progress in racial justice.

If you don’t like it, you can leave. That means fewer reactionaries in the way of the rest of us in creating the kind of society we want to live in. Get the knuckledraggers out of the way and we can build a Scandinavian type system right here in America.

Lol, racist demands white people move so that they can setup a society modeled after gigantically majority white countries.

Oh the hypocrisy.

Goddamn you looney bins in Takoma Park and Silver Spring are truly, mind warpingly stupid.

Income inequality and haves and have nots have existed since the beginning of time. Why so bitter that others have that you think it should be taken from them? Presuming your are middle class, do you feel the same regarding people below you? That they should be able to take your accomplishments and money and things, ya know, just to even out the wealth distribution?

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Anonymous wrote:Alaska currently pays its residents $1000 to $2000 per person. They've been doing this for a while.

Some places in NoVa are looking at doing the same thing - Arlington and Alexandria. DC also does this. So for those who say they will move to NoVa, good luck.

https://www.npr.org/local/305/2021/10/26/1049266089/montgomery-county-to-weigh-sending-800-a-month-to-low-income-families-for-two-years

The folks who are going to be in the pilot will be vetted by the county. You can't sign up for it. The county will hand select the people.

While I'm not a fan of UBI, at least it's not a free for all.

Whether the money comes from special appropriation budget or federal money (as NoVa is doing), it ends up in the same pot that gets doled out however the county sees fit.

How did the Stockton experiment go?

Have you ever heard the saying "teach a person to fish?"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Alaska currently pays its residents $1000 to $2000 per person. They've been doing this for a while.

Some places in NoVa are looking at doing the same thing - Arlington and Alexandria. DC also does this. So for those who say they will move to NoVa, good luck.

https://www.npr.org/local/305/2021/10/26/1049266089/montgomery-county-to-weigh-sending-800-a-month-to-low-income-families-for-two-years

The folks who are going to be in the pilot will be vetted by the county. You can't sign up for it. The county will hand select the people.

While I'm not a fan of UBI, at least it's not a free for all.

Whether the money comes from special appropriation budget or federal money (as NoVa is doing), it ends up in the same pot that gets doled out however the county sees fit.

How did the Stockton experiment go?

So, I am guessing Alaska is poverty free now right? Or do people choose not to work and make do on the handout?