Montgomery County- Universal Income

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I saw it on evening news: Montgomery County will pay $800 per month, regardless immigration status, for two years.
Great!

Link?

Found the original source for you: https://www2.montgomerycountymd.gov/mcgportalapps/Press_Detail.aspx?Item_ID=39336&Dept=1
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Councilmember Jawando, Council Vice President Albornoz and County Executive Elrich Announce New Guaranteed Income Pilot Program at Press Conference on Oct. 26 at 12:30 p.m.

For Immediate Release: Monday, October 25, 2021

Special appropriation of nearly $2 million will be introduced at the Council to fund the program with additional financial support from the Meyer Foundation

Rockville, Md., Oct. 25, 2021 — On Tuesday, Oct. 26 at 12:30 p.m., Councilmember Will Jawando and Council Vice President Gabe Albornoz will host a joint press conference with County Executive Marc Elrich, Councilmembers, the Director of the Montgomery County Department of Health and Human Services (DHHS) Dr. Raymond L. Crowel, and representatives from the Meyer Foundation, the Collaboration Council, non-profit and university partners to announce a Guaranteed Income Pilot Program for Montgomery County residents.

Expected to launch in 2022, the program will provide direct cash payments of $800 per month to 300 county households for 24 months. Area university partners will evaluate the program’s impact on participating households with anecdotal, qualitative and quantitative data. The County’s Guaranteed Income Pilot Program will be a public-private partnership supported by the County Executive, Montgomery County DHHS, the Meyer Foundation, UpTogether and the Collaboration Council.“

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Great. When there already aren’t enough workers, people will get to buy a handle of vodka & Netflix & chill. Dumb public policy.

Riiiiight, because $800/month is enough to live the good life in MoCo. $800 would get you a shared room in a basement. Ten years ago.

However, it COULD make the difference for someone who needs to fix their car to get to a job interview, to not have to choose between utilities and groceries, or not have to ration insulin and die.

Why do you hate poor people? Give them skills to move up not money. Noone should have to be a dependent of the state.

Skills to move up. Right, a single mother with three minimum wage jobs and no childcare should just learn to code. Why didn’t we think of that?

[Anonymous]

When they passed the $15/hr minimum wage two years ago, isn't that effectively guaranteed income (as long as you work)? Why do we need this also?

[Anonymous]

Are retail/grocery establishments there having trouble finding workers yet? Seeing this in NOVA.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Great. When there already aren’t enough workers, people will get to buy a handle of vodka & Netflix & chill. Dumb public policy.

Riiiiight, because $800/month is enough to live the good life in MoCo. $800 would get you a shared room in a basement. Ten years ago.

However, it COULD make the difference for someone who needs to fix their car to get to a job interview, to not have to choose between utilities and groceries, or not have to ration insulin and die.

Why do you hate poor people? Give them skills to move up not money. Noone should have to be a dependent of the state.

Yeah. She should. That is exactly what she should do.

Skills to move up. Right, a single mother with three minimum wage jobs and no childcare should just learn to code. Why didn’t we think of that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This should have been put on the ballot. I do not want to pay for this.

Then get the signatures for a petition to put it on referendum. I would love to end this Council's BS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I saw it on evening news: Montgomery County will pay $800 per month, regardless immigration status, for two years.
Great!

Link?

Found the original source for you: https://www2.montgomerycountymd.gov/mcgportalapps/Press_Detail.aspx?Item_ID=39336&Dept=1
“
Councilmember Jawando, Council Vice President Albornoz and County Executive Elrich Announce New Guaranteed Income Pilot Program at Press Conference on Oct. 26 at 12:30 p.m.

For Immediate Release: Monday, October 25, 2021

Special appropriation of nearly $2 million will be introduced at the Council to fund the program with additional financial support from the Meyer Foundation

Rockville, Md., Oct. 25, 2021 — On Tuesday, Oct. 26 at 12:30 p.m., Councilmember Will Jawando and Council Vice President Gabe Albornoz will host a joint press conference with County Executive Marc Elrich, Councilmembers, the Director of the Montgomery County Department of Health and Human Services (DHHS) Dr. Raymond L. Crowel, and representatives from the Meyer Foundation, the Collaboration Council, non-profit and university partners to announce a Guaranteed Income Pilot Program for Montgomery County residents.

Expected to launch in 2022, the program will provide direct cash payments of $800 per month to 300 county households for 24 months. Area university partners will evaluate the program’s impact on participating households with anecdotal, qualitative and quantitative data. The County’s Guaranteed Income Pilot Program will be a public-private partnership supported by the County Executive, Montgomery County DHHS, the Meyer Foundation, UpTogether and the Collaboration Council.“

So that's a total $5.76 million price tag over 24 months.

The county gets grants all the time. It's seed money to start programs that the county eventually takes over. What is the county's plan for caring for these 300 families when the funding ends? Do they have a transition plan? Or are they just going to yank out the funding from under them? If not, where will the $2.88 million a year come from? HHS budget, which is already underfunded? What else gets cut? More police officers (it is Jawando, after all, who agreed with cutting 25 police last spring as a "symbolic gesture.")

Not saying it's a horrible idea. But show me your long range planning. Either how you transition people off money they've gotten used to for TWO YEARS, or how they plan to fund it without cutting other county services.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Its not a real thing - its the crazy guy wanting to pretend he's doing good. Its basically 300 families and that will do more harm than good as after those two years the families will be used to the money, lose it and be in the same situation as before. Its not a good idea like he thinks.

Or in two years,

Their kids will be older and they won’t have daycare costs.
The parents will have earned certifications or degrees that are a path to a higher earning jobs. When I got a two year fellowship, no one said that would get used to the money and it would do me more harm than good for the remaining years of my program.

Considering the harm that poverty does to growing brains, even two years relief from that is a good investment.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Its not a real thing - its the crazy guy wanting to pretend he's doing good. Its basically 300 families and that will do more harm than good as after those two years the families will be used to the money, lose it and be in the same situation as before. Its not a good idea like he thinks.

Or in two years,

Their kids will be older and they won’t have daycare costs.
The parents will have earned certifications or degrees that are a path to a higher earning jobs. When I got a two year fellowship, no one said that would get used to the money and it would do me more harm than good for the remaining years of my program.

Considering the harm that poverty does to growing brains, even two years relief from that is a good investment.

Another good question then. Will they do a longitudinal study over 5 years, over 10? To see if this blip in time actually did some measurable good?

Because given Jawando's track record, he's great at proposing the headline-grabbing ideas. But completely sucks at making them actually work.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Its not a real thing - its the crazy guy wanting to pretend he's doing good. Its basically 300 families and that will do more harm than good as after those two years the families will be used to the money, lose it and be in the same situation as before. Its not a good idea like he thinks.

Or in two years,

Their kids will be older and they won’t have daycare costs.
The parents will have earned certifications or degrees that are a path to a higher earning jobs. When I got a two year fellowship, no one said that would get used to the money and it would do me more harm than good for the remaining years of my program.

Considering the harm that poverty does to growing brains, even two years relief from that is a good investment.

This isn't compassion. It's harmful. Why do you hate the less fortunate?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Its not a real thing - its the crazy guy wanting to pretend he's doing good. Its basically 300 families and that will do more harm than good as after those two years the families will be used to the money, lose it and be in the same situation as before. Its not a good idea like he thinks.

Or in two years,

Their kids will be older and they won’t have daycare costs.
The parents will have earned certifications or degrees that are a path to a higher earning jobs. When I got a two year fellowship, no one said that would get used to the money and it would do me more harm than good for the remaining years of my program.

Considering the harm that poverty does to growing brains, even two years relief from that is a good investment.

Another good question then. Will they do a longitudinal study over 5 years, over 10? To see if this blip in time actually did some measurable good?

Because given Jawando's track record, he's great at proposing the headline-grabbing ideas. But completely sucks at making them actually work.

I think a study is a part of the plan

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Great. When there already aren’t enough workers, people will get to buy a handle of vodka & Netflix & chill. Dumb public policy.

Riiiiight, because $800/month is enough to live the good life in MoCo. $800 would get you a shared room in a basement. Ten years ago.

However, it COULD make the difference for someone who needs to fix their car to get to a job interview, to not have to choose between utilities and groceries, or not have to ration insulin and die.

Like all government programs, this one will never end and only expand. You wouldn't want to deprive someone of their insulin?

That's really the example you want to use to make your point?

Yes, that's really the example. The next homily will be "but think of the children." You don't hate children, right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sweet! Imma quit my job.

yea cause $800/mo goes soooo far in MoCo. LOL

Every additional welfare benefit removes people from the workforce. We have seen that during COVID, where first enhanced unemployment and then the monthly child tax credit are incentivizing staying at home. At a time when every business has a "Help Wanted" sign.

If there was a training/substance abuse treatment/work requirement to receive all of these, I might be more supportive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Great. When there already aren’t enough workers, people will get to buy a handle of vodka & Netflix & chill. Dumb public policy.

Riiiiight, because $800/month is enough to live the good life in MoCo. $800 would get you a shared room in a basement. Ten years ago.

However, it COULD make the difference for someone who needs to fix their car to get to a job interview, to not have to choose between utilities and groceries, or not have to ration insulin and die.

Why do you hate poor people? Give them skills to move up not money. Noone should have to be a dependent of the state.

Skills to move up. Right, a single mother with three minimum wage jobs and no childcare should just learn to code. Why didn’t we think of that?

How many single mothers are there with three minimum wage jobs and no childcare? Our country already has many, many safety net programs for situations like this, including: Medicaid, CHIP, SNAP, Earned Income Tax Credit, Section 8, Head First, subsidized cell phones, subsidized child care, Pell Grants, subsidized student loans, and on and on.

And a person who is working a minimum wage job is absolutely learning skills that can help her move up. Work at McDonalds? Move up to become a Shift Manager and then Assistant Manager. Use their scholarship program to take classes, etc.

Our entrenched underclass is not due to lack of a safety net. It is due to poor K-12 education, mental health problems, substance abuse, lack of work requirements and a continuing in-flow of uneducated immigrants.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Jawando is all about policy that sounds good and nothing about understanding how to make the trains run. So tired of his rhetoric and damaging legislation.

There is nothing about UBI that “sounds good.”