Discrimination against Asians

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What's toxic about working hard and striving to be the best you can be?

Typical response. Just ignore all of the cheating and racism done by the students and focus on the test scores. The American Dream, right? Get ahead any way you can. And you wonder why there's not much outrage about the proposed admissions outside of the TJ community.

I can assure you that the vast majority do not cheat. The vast majority simply work hard. Do not generalize.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What's toxic about working hard and striving to be the best you can be?

Typical response. Just ignore all of the cheating and racism done by the students and focus on the test scores. The American Dream, right? Get ahead any way you can. And you wonder why there's not much outrage about the proposed admissions outside of the TJ community.

White people want to chastise other groups for cheating and racism?! They wrote the book!

Classic White supremacy.

[Anonymous]

Why do all these Asians at TJ come across as if they’re basically saying that it’s only fair if they get a turn to be ugly racists?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why do all these Asians at TJ come across as if they’re basically saying that it’s only fair if they get a turn to be ugly racists?

Why do ignorant racists think it’s okay to call Asians racist for being upset that the lottery system discussions explicitly state an objective of reducing Asian student numbers?

Insert any other minority race into that statement and would the outcome be the same?

This is all a smoke and mirrors ploy. The real root of the problem is the base schools and AAP, but a grandiose show of putting those pesky Asian teenagers in their place at TJ makes for better drama to cover up the real issues and not have to address them.

This is another racist White Supremacist move using Asian kids as their sacrificial scapegoats to get what they want.

[Anonymous]

Seems like PP has confused repetition with persuasive argument. It’s not getting you anywhere; if anything, the rhetoric has convinced a lot of people who otherwise could not care less about TJ that a major overhaul there is needed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Seems like PP has confused repetition with persuasive argument. It’s not getting you anywhere; if anything, the rhetoric has convinced a lot of people who otherwise could not care less about TJ that a major overhaul there is needed.

Major overhaul=put those Asians in their place.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The reason TJ admissions is hitting a nerve for Asians is that they believe that STEM is one of the few ways in which they could work hard and excel. They think at least this is fair. Let's face it, they have had trouble being represented in sports (possibly due to genetics). They are not represented in Hollywood (lead roles go to blacks 15% of the time, Asians 1% of the time), or in places of power; politics/governorship/senate/supreme court/cabinet. Although they disproportionately get into top colleges (usually despite discrimination - see what is going on with Harvard and Yale), they face a struggle in career advancement after college.

https://hbr.org/2018/05/asian-americans-are-the-least-likely-group-in-the-u-s-to-be-promoted-to-management

"Across the country, the results are the same. Our analysis of national EEOC workforce data found that Asian American white-collar professionals are the least likely group to be promoted from individual contributor roles into management — less likely than any other race, including blacks and Hispanics. And our analysis found that white professionals are about twice as likely to be promoted into management as their Asian American counterparts.

It is easy to understand why Asian American representation in the workforce may not seem to be an issue. In some key measures, Asian Americans are the most successful U.S. demographic — more highly educated, for example, and with higher median incomes than any other racial group. More significant, Asian Americans are 12% of the professional workforce while making up only 5.6% of the U.S. population. This fact underlies the potential blind spot for many companies: Because Asian Americans are not considered an underrepresented minority, they are given little priority or attention in diversity programs. We have found that in many companies throughout the country, Asian-related programs are geared toward cultural inclusion, not management diversity."

Look around where everyone works. For me at least the entire senior management is White.

TJ is hitting a nerve because society is again trying to screen them out, in the name of racial balance, in a convoluted way. On the contrary, people should be celebrating the fact that the top high school in the United States can be a minority majority. No one would give a hoot if TJ was 70% Black (or even 70% White). It is also true that Asians are a very diverse group of people themselves (Indian, Chinese, etc. are very different). Asians have come to this area b/c it is one of the most straightforward places for good results: Work hard and you will succeed. No need for connections or wealth or bribes. Some families come to the U.S. after experiencing the Tiananmen square massacre, etc. to give their child a chance at a better life. In response to places like Curie, there is no need to paint all Asians as cheaters. There are only a few and will be exposed sooner or later. I don't know if the claims are true, but I suspect many would have probably gotten into TJ anyway. The vast majority are extra motivated (parent and child) because of such traumatic backgrounds despite English being a second/third language. Most of the time, parents cannot force the kids to be good at math and interested in science and be motivated to work that hard. If you have raised a child, you will agree. The children work hard because for some reason they just do or they see their parents work hard (though they never get up to those management positions).

Whatever your view, there is no need to attack Asians. Come at it with a bit more understanding.

Finally sanity

Next step shut TJ down for good

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Seems like PP has confused repetition with persuasive argument. It’s not getting you anywhere; if anything, the rhetoric has convinced a lot of people who otherwise could not care less about TJ that a major overhaul there is needed.

Major overhaul=put those Asians in their place.

They can go back to India and take their caste system with them. The most racist companies in America are indian bodyshops. Never hire african Americans. Never . And yet liberals look the other way

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Seems like PP has confused repetition with persuasive argument. It’s not getting you anywhere; if anything, the rhetoric has convinced a lot of people who otherwise could not care less about TJ that a major overhaul there is needed.

Major overhaul=put those Asians in their place.

Major overhaul = provide access to a wider group of kids or shut it down.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What's toxic about working hard and striving to be the best you can be?

Typical response. Just ignore all of the cheating and racism done by the students and focus on the test scores. The American Dream, right? Get ahead any way you can. And you wonder why there's not much outrage about the proposed admissions outside of the TJ community.

When you say 'cheating' do you mean 'prepping for the test' the way kids prepare for the SAT or the SHSAT in New York? Or do you mean actual cheating by the students - like when AP students for two subjects in Langley High School cheated on their final exams en masse (this is on record btw)? Or do you mean cover-ups by the administration, like when honor code violations for cheating students were deleted from student records by Maggie Walker High School administration (2016)? How come we don't hear anything about this actual cheating while there is so much anti-prepping venom, you ask? Neither of the two latter schools are Asian-majority you see.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Seems like PP has confused repetition with persuasive argument. It’s not getting you anywhere; if anything, the rhetoric has convinced a lot of people who otherwise could not care less about TJ that a major overhaul there is needed.

Major overhaul=put those Asians in their place.

They can go back to India and take their caste system with them. The most racist companies in America are indian bodyshops. Never hire african Americans. Never . And yet liberals look the other way

And you, with your "go back to where you came from" are an example of a real liberal? You're just a closeted racist - come out of the closet, stop pretending.

[Anonymous]

"Across the country, the results are the same. Our analysis of national EEOC workforce data found that Asian American white-collar professionals are the least likely group to be promoted from individual contributor roles into management — less likely than any other race, including blacks and Hispanics. And our analysis found that white professionals are about twice as likely to be promoted into management as their Asian American counterparts."

I agree with this and the reason is because the upbringing and desire to get into TJ and that entire lifestyle does not promote teamwork or collaboration...only individual achievement.

There's a reason why some people aren't promoted into management. While being valuable individual contributors, they aren't seen as team players. Managers and executives need to be well rounded, have a broad view of issues, and be able to communicate and socialize with diverse groups of people. This is not the experience of someone who has prepped to get into TJ since Kindergarten.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"Across the country, the results are the same. Our analysis of national EEOC workforce data found that Asian American white-collar professionals are the least likely group to be promoted from individual contributor roles into management — less likely than any other race, including blacks and Hispanics. And our analysis found that white professionals are about twice as likely to be promoted into management as their Asian American counterparts."

I agree with this and the reason is because the upbringing and desire to get into TJ and that entire lifestyle does not promote teamwork or collaboration...only individual achievement.

There's a reason why some people aren't promoted into management. While being valuable individual contributors, they aren't seen as team players. Managers and executives need to be well rounded, have a broad view of issues, and be able to communicate and socialize with diverse groups of people. This is not the experience of someone who has prepped to get into TJ since Kindergarten.

This is as bad as saying African Americans don't belong in management because so many of them are uneducated and from the ghetto.

No, not all African Americans are uneducated. No, not all African Americans are from the ghetto. No, not all Asians are unsocial nerds. No, not all Asians go to TJ.

Check your stereotypes and implicit bias.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Seems like PP has confused repetition with persuasive argument. It’s not getting you anywhere; if anything, the rhetoric has convinced a lot of people who otherwise could not care less about TJ that a major overhaul there is needed.

Major overhaul=put those Asians in their place.

Major overhaul = provide access to a wider group of kids or shut it down.

Major overhaul = provide access to a wider group of kids , that are just as capable without the over the top helicopter Indian parents, or shut it down.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"Across the country, the results are the same. Our analysis of national EEOC workforce data found that Asian American white-collar professionals are the least likely group to be promoted from individual contributor roles into management — less likely than any other race, including blacks and Hispanics. And our analysis found that white professionals are about twice as likely to be promoted into management as their Asian American counterparts."

I agree with this and the reason is because the upbringing and desire to get into TJ and that entire lifestyle does not promote teamwork or collaboration...only individual achievement.

There's a reason why some people aren't promoted into management. While being valuable individual contributors, they aren't seen as team players. Managers and executives need to be well rounded, have a broad view of issues, and be able to communicate and socialize with diverse groups of people. This is not the experience of someone who has prepped to get into TJ since Kindergarten.

This is as bad as saying African Americans don't belong in management because so many of them are uneducated and from the ghetto.

No, not all African Americans are uneducated. No, not all African Americans are from the ghetto. No, not all Asians are unsocial nerds. No, not all Asians go to TJ.

Check your stereotypes and implicit bias.

I should also add there are plenty of leadership types at TJ. Do you have a student who goes to TJ? Do you know many TJ students? TJ has plenty of type A students who do very well socially.

Stop stereotyping an entire school from afar.