Discrimination against Asians

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:+1

Not fair that hard work to rise in society results in rules being changed to keep Asians down.

Change that last part to..."being changed to level the playing field". And that is socialism.

[Anonymous]

The current TJ screening exam is super easy to begin with. Whoever needs a prep class to pass it doesn’t belong to TJ and will just suffer.

[Anonymous]

Agree with OP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The reason TJ admissions is hitting a nerve for Asians is that they believe that STEM is one of the few ways in which they could work hard and excel. They think at least this is fair. Let's face it, they have had trouble being represented in sports (possibly due to genetics). They are not represented in Hollywood (lead roles go to blacks 15% of the time, Asians 1% of the time), or in places of power; politics/governorship/senate/supreme court/cabinet. Although they disproportionately get into top colleges (usually despite discrimination - see what is going on with Harvard and Yale), they face a struggle in career advancement after college.

https://hbr.org/2018/05/asian-americans-are-the-least-likely-group-in-the-u-s-to-be-promoted-to-management

"Across the country, the results are the same. Our analysis of national EEOC workforce data found that Asian American white-collar professionals are the least likely group to be promoted from individual contributor roles into management — less likely than any other race, including blacks and Hispanics. And our analysis found that white professionals are about twice as likely to be promoted into management as their Asian American counterparts.

It is easy to understand why Asian American representation in the workforce may not seem to be an issue. In some key measures, Asian Americans are the most successful U.S. demographic — more highly educated, for example, and with higher median incomes than any other racial group. More significant, Asian Americans are 12% of the professional workforce while making up only 5.6% of the U.S. population. This fact underlies the potential blind spot for many companies: Because Asian Americans are not considered an underrepresented minority, they are given little priority or attention in diversity programs. We have found that in many companies throughout the country, Asian-related programs are geared toward cultural inclusion, not management diversity."

Look around where everyone works. For me at least the entire senior management is White.

TJ is hitting a nerve because society is again trying to screen them out, in the name of racial balance, in a convoluted way. On the contrary, people should be celebrating the fact that the top high school in the United States can be a minority majority. No one would give a hoot if TJ was 70% Black (or even 70% White). It is also true that Asians are a very diverse group of people themselves (Indian, Chinese, etc. are very different). Asians have come to this area b/c it is one of the most straightforward places for good results: Work hard and you will succeed. No need for connections or wealth or bribes. Some families come to the U.S. after experiencing the Tiananmen square massacre, etc. to give their child a chance at a better life. In response to places like Curie, there is no need to paint all Asians as cheaters. There are only a few and will be exposed sooner or later. I don't know if the claims are true, but I suspect many would have probably gotten into TJ anyway. The vast majority are extra motivated (parent and child) because of such traumatic backgrounds despite English being a second/third language. Most of the time, parents cannot force the kids to be good at math and interested in science and be motivated to work that hard. If you have raised a child, you will agree. The children work hard because for some reason they just do or they see their parents work hard (though they never get up to those management positions).

Whatever your view, there is no need to attack Asians. Come at it with a bit more understanding.

Thank you for writing this and I totally agree with you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This whole thing reminds me suppression of Jewish people too.

Harvard once put a 15% cap on Jewish people simply because there were two many Jews. It was later ruled unconstitutional.

Shame on those people who think “too many Asians” is somehow automatically a problem.

+10000

I find it revolting.

[Anonymous]

Thank you for your post, OP. I see right through the school board's claim that this is being done for the sake of equity. If the 78% wasn't Asian, we would not be having this discussion. If a race-blind admissions process resulted in a 78% black tj population, they would just say it's fair and square, and celebrate them for bringing pride to Fairfax County.

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Anonymous wrote:Thank you for your post, OP. I see right through the school board's claim that this is being done for the sake of equity. If the 78% wasn't Asian, we would not be having this discussion. If a race-blind admissions process resulted in a 78% black tj population, they would just say it's fair and square, and celebrate them for bringing pride to Fairfax County.

Actually, we would not be having this discussion if, and only if, that percentage was white instead of Asian. How do I know this? Well, look at Maggie Walker High - majority white, and there’s nary a peep out of all these crusaders for equal rights . https://richmond.com/news/local/maggie-walker-schools-new-5-year-plan-addresses-diversity-but-with-no-metrics-critics-question/article_aec411a7-c3f7-54cf-ba22-0882f39a431a.html

[Anonymous]

Targeting a minority in this country, while helping the majority (White) is discrimination. Period.

[Anonymous]

People making this argument fail to understand that the problem that FCPS is trying to solve is not "too many Asians", it is "too few Black, Hispanic, and economically disadvantaged students". You could have literally the same number of Asian students at TJ after this lottery process as before, and if the number of Black and Hispanic students improve significantly, there will be celebrations at FCPS.

People have a problem with how Asians approach this conversation because they're making it all about themselves, when it's not all about them. FCPS has been trying to solve this problem for generations, and they finally have a political climate in which to make a bold decision about the future of the school.

The fact that this process is likely to result in fewer Asians at TJ is not evidence of discrimination against Asians. Indeed, if they continue to apply in massive numbers with quality applicants in each region, they are likely to maintain something close to their proportions at TJ.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:People making this argument fail to understand that the problem that FCPS is trying to solve is not "too many Asians", it is "too few Black, Hispanic, and economically disadvantaged students". You could have literally the same number of Asian students at TJ after this lottery process as before, and if the number of Black and Hispanic students improve significantly, there will be celebrations at FCPS.

People have a problem with how Asians approach this conversation because they're making it all about themselves, when it's not all about them. FCPS has been trying to solve this problem for generations, and they finally have a political climate in which to make a bold decision about the future of the school.

The fact that this process is likely to result in fewer Asians at TJ is not evidence of discrimination against Asians. Indeed, if they continue to apply in massive numbers with quality applicants in each region, they are likely to maintain something close to their proportions at TJ.

For generations?? Is that so?

The discrimination is against Asians and now you want to lecture them on how they are approaching this discrimination against them. How about listening? How about trying to understand a POV different from your own?

How about hearing their experiences instead of trying to shame them out of talking about it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:People making this argument fail to understand that the problem that FCPS is trying to solve is not "too many Asians", it is "too few Black, Hispanic, and economically disadvantaged students". You could have literally the same number of Asian students at TJ after this lottery process as before, and if the number of Black and Hispanic students improve significantly, there will be celebrations at FCPS.

People have a problem with how Asians approach this conversation because they're making it all about themselves, when it's not all about them. FCPS has been trying to solve this problem for generations, and they finally have a political climate in which to make a bold decision about the future of the school.

The fact that this process is likely to result in fewer Asians at TJ is not evidence of discrimination against Asians. Indeed, if they continue to apply in massive numbers with quality applicants in each region, they are likely to maintain something close to their proportions at TJ.

You are very naive. Whites, who have less opportunity costs of sending their kids to far off places, and frankly likely to have more interest in STEM (compared to URMs) are the main beneficiaries. It is clear as day.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:People making this argument fail to understand that the problem that FCPS is trying to solve is not "too many Asians", it is "too few Black, Hispanic, and economically disadvantaged students". You could have literally the same number of Asian students at TJ after this lottery process as before, and if the number of Black and Hispanic students improve significantly, there will be celebrations at FCPS.

People have a problem with how Asians approach this conversation because they're making it all about themselves, when it's not all about them. FCPS has been trying to solve this problem for generations, and they finally have a political climate in which to make a bold decision about the future of the school.

The fact that this process is likely to result in fewer Asians at TJ is not evidence of discrimination against Asians. Indeed, if they continue to apply in massive numbers with quality applicants in each region, they are likely to maintain something close to their proportions at TJ.

The fact that there are few blacks at TJ is not evidence that most TJ students prep like crazy or most Asian students cheat like crazy as many want us to believe. And why single out only TJ? For example, radically revamping AAP would be significantly more helpful for blacks but fcps is taking an easy way since Asians can be messed with compared to whites.

[Anonymous]

Agree with OP. Well said.

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Anonymous wrote:The problem with the hardcore focus on stem is that many times it limits you to individual contributor roles which mean less money. I worked in an engineering office. The Civil and Structural Engineers made what I would call mid tier salaries and they did not have much in the way of future salary increases.

I made easily double what the engineers were earning. I did sales for an affiliated business with my Bus. Admin degree from University of Delaware.

Stem grads are frequently working in labs and other businesses in individual contributor roles.

Exactly right. TJ is not a golden ticket into a world of high power and wealth. What's FCPS' beef with too many Asians at TJ? Those Asian kids will go on to serve a vital role in our economy making a middle-class living. But Scott $20,000/hr Brabrand can't even allow them to have that.

[Anonymous]

So much whining.