Discrimination against Asians

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://reason.com/video/anti-racism-soho-debate/

This is really an interesting video, worth watching if you have the time.

So I was looking into proposition 209 since there was so much discussion about it, and it turns out that while urm enrollments went down after race based admission was banned in California, the number of urn graduates either stayed steady or increased. This was because the dropout numbers had been higher earlier. Race based quotas meant that students were being pushed into programs they weren’t ready for, so ended up dropping out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://reason.com/video/anti-racism-soho-debate/

This is really an interesting video, worth watching if you have the time.

So I was looking into proposition 209 since there was so much discussion about it, and it turns out that while urm enrollments went down after race based admission was banned in California, the number of urn graduates either stayed steady or increased. This was because the dropout numbers had been higher earlier. Race based quotas meant that students were being pushed into programs they weren’t ready for, so ended up dropping out.

Dinesh D'Souza wrote about this very phenomena in his book "Illiberal Education" 30 years ago. Very eye opening.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://reason.com/video/anti-racism-soho-debate/

This is really an interesting video, worth watching if you have the time.

So I was looking into proposition 209 since there was so much discussion about it, and it turns out that while urm enrollments went down after race based admission was banned in California, the number of urn graduates either stayed steady or increased. This was because the dropout numbers had been higher earlier. Race based quotas meant that students were being pushed into programs they weren’t ready for, so ended up dropping out.

Dinesh D'Souza wrote about this very phenomena in his book "Illiberal Education" 30 years ago. Very eye opening.

Ew - Dinesh D'Souza is a conspiracy-minded self-hater, much like Qarni, though both are on opposite ends of the ideological spectrum. I don't want to align with either of these two kooks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://reason.com/video/anti-racism-soho-debate/

This is really an interesting video, worth watching if you have the time.

So I was looking into proposition 209 since there was so much discussion about it, and it turns out that while urm enrollments went down after race based admission was banned in California, the number of urn graduates either stayed steady or increased. This was because the dropout numbers had been higher earlier. Race based quotas meant that students were being pushed into programs they weren’t ready for, so ended up dropping out.

Dinesh D'Souza wrote about this very phenomena in his book "Illiberal Education" 30 years ago. Very eye opening.

Ew - Dinesh D'Souza is a conspiracy-minded self-hater, much like Qarni, though both are on opposite ends of the ideological spectrum. I don't want to align with either of these two kooks.

Too bad, Dinesh sez:
A third factor, closely related, is: What effect does affirmative action have on the groups it seeks to help? I strolled across the Berkeley campus to what the administration calls, somewhat euphemistically, the “Office of Retention.” There I was told that the dropout rate for affirmative action groups is disastrously high. For example, while whi8tes and Asians graduate from Berkeley at the rate of about 75% to 80%, the graduation rate for Hispanic students is only about 50%. Only one in two students graduated. For black students, it is even lower than that. And these figures, by the way, are not unique to Berkeley; they are duplicated on the national scale. The affirmative action policies are, to some degree, misplacing a number of minority students in higher education. What I am trying t suggest is that these policies do not increase the aggregate or total number of minority kids in higher education—not at all. The total number of minority students in higher education has remained roughly constant for over twenty years. In fact, in a number of years it has gone down. The effect of affirmative action policies or racial preference policies has been to take young people who have the grades and test scores to be admitted to Virginia Community College and accept them by a preference into the University of Virginia, or to take kids who have the grades and test scores to succeed at UVA and admit them to Berkeley, or to take the kids who have the grades and test scores for Berkeley and get them admitted to Princeton, or to Yale. There is a kind of ratcheting-up effect which is an important factor. It is not the only factor, but it is an important factor behind the depressingly high dropout rates that minority students suffer in American higher education.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://reason.com/video/anti-racism-soho-debate/

This is really an interesting video, worth watching if you have the time.

So I was looking into proposition 209 since there was so much discussion about it, and it turns out that while urm enrollments went down after race based admission was banned in California, the number of urn graduates either stayed steady or increased. This was because the dropout numbers had been higher earlier. Race based quotas meant that students were being pushed into programs they weren’t ready for, so ended up dropping out.

Dinesh D'Souza wrote about this very phenomena in his book "Illiberal Education" 30 years ago. Very eye opening.

Ew - Dinesh D'Souza is a conspiracy-minded self-hater, much like Qarni, though both are on opposite ends of the ideological spectrum. I don't want to align with either of these two kooks.

Too bad, Dinesh sez:
A third factor, closely related, is: What effect does affirmative action have on the groups it seeks to help? I strolled across the Berkeley campus to what the administration calls, somewhat euphemistically, the “Office of Retention.” There I was told that the dropout rate for affirmative action groups is disastrously high. For example, while whi8tes and Asians graduate from Berkeley at the rate of about 75% to 80%, the graduation rate for Hispanic students is only about 50%. Only one in two students graduated. For black students, it is even lower than that. And these figures, by the way, are not unique to Berkeley; they are duplicated on the national scale. The affirmative action policies are, to some degree, misplacing a number of minority students in higher education. What I am trying t suggest is that these policies do not increase the aggregate or total number of minority kids in higher education—not at all. The total number of minority students in higher education has remained roughly constant for over twenty years. In fact, in a number of years it has gone down. The effect of affirmative action policies or racial preference policies has been to take young people who have the grades and test scores to be admitted to Virginia Community College and accept them by a preference into the University of Virginia, or to take kids who have the grades and test scores to succeed at UVA and admit them to Berkeley, or to take the kids who have the grades and test scores for Berkeley and get them admitted to Princeton, or to Yale. There is a kind of ratcheting-up effect which is an important factor. It is not the only factor, but it is an important factor behind the depressingly high dropout rates that minority students suffer in American higher education.

Right - just focusing on getting more URMs into TJ is very short-sighted. What happens to them during high school? What happens to them for college admissions and later in life?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://reason.com/video/anti-racism-soho-debate/

This is really an interesting video, worth watching if you have the time.

So I was looking into proposition 209 since there was so much discussion about it, and it turns out that while urm enrollments went down after race based admission was banned in California, the number of urn graduates either stayed steady or increased. This was because the dropout numbers had been higher earlier. Race based quotas meant that students were being pushed into programs they weren’t ready for, so ended up dropping out.

Dinesh D'Souza wrote about this very phenomena in his book "Illiberal Education" 30 years ago. Very eye opening.

Ew - Dinesh D'Souza is a conspiracy-minded self-hater, much like Qarni, though both are on opposite ends of the ideological spectrum. I don't want to align with either of these two kooks.

Too bad, Dinesh sez:
A third factor, closely related, is: What effect does affirmative action have on the groups it seeks to help? I strolled across the Berkeley campus to what the administration calls, somewhat euphemistically, the “Office of Retention.” There I was told that the dropout rate for affirmative action groups is disastrously high. For example, while whi8tes and Asians graduate from Berkeley at the rate of about 75% to 80%, the graduation rate for Hispanic students is only about 50%. Only one in two students graduated. For black students, it is even lower than that. And these figures, by the way, are not unique to Berkeley; they are duplicated on the national scale. The affirmative action policies are, to some degree, misplacing a number of minority students in higher education. What I am trying t suggest is that these policies do not increase the aggregate or total number of minority kids in higher education—not at all. The total number of minority students in higher education has remained roughly constant for over twenty years. In fact, in a number of years it has gone down. The effect of affirmative action policies or racial preference policies has been to take young people who have the grades and test scores to be admitted to Virginia Community College and accept them by a preference into the University of Virginia, or to take kids who have the grades and test scores to succeed at UVA and admit them to Berkeley, or to take the kids who have the grades and test scores for Berkeley and get them admitted to Princeton, or to Yale. There is a kind of ratcheting-up effect which is an important factor. It is not the only factor, but it is an important factor behind the depressingly high dropout rates that minority students suffer in American higher education.

Right - just focusing on getting more URMs into TJ is very short-sighted. What happens to them during high school? What happens to them for college admissions and later in life?

TJ will either drop its B+ minimum grade requirement, or will see massive grade inflation. Matthew Nuti was a smart kid, a Gavel Award winner on TJ's Model UN team and was a starting lineman on the school football team. In his junior year, he only managed a grade average of B-. So he got summarily kicked out of TJ because he wasn't able to maintain a 3.0 gpa . This really could happen to any kid. But TJ's not gonna kick out a URM kid - the optics would be awful.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://reason.com/video/anti-racism-soho-debate/

This is really an interesting video, worth watching if you have the time.

So I was looking into proposition 209 since there was so much discussion about it, and it turns out that while urm enrollments went down after race based admission was banned in California, the number of urn graduates either stayed steady or increased. This was because the dropout numbers had been higher earlier. Race based quotas meant that students were being pushed into programs they weren’t ready for, so ended up dropping out.

Dinesh D'Souza wrote about this very phenomena in his book "Illiberal Education" 30 years ago. Very eye opening.

Ew - Dinesh D'Souza is a conspiracy-minded self-hater, much like Qarni, though both are on opposite ends of the ideological spectrum. I don't want to align with either of these two kooks.

Too bad, Dinesh sez:
A third factor, closely related, is: What effect does affirmative action have on the groups it seeks to help? I strolled across the Berkeley campus to what the administration calls, somewhat euphemistically, the “Office of Retention.” There I was told that the dropout rate for affirmative action groups is disastrously high. For example, while whi8tes and Asians graduate from Berkeley at the rate of about 75% to 80%, the graduation rate for Hispanic students is only about 50%. Only one in two students graduated. For black students, it is even lower than that. And these figures, by the way, are not unique to Berkeley; they are duplicated on the national scale. The affirmative action policies are, to some degree, misplacing a number of minority students in higher education. What I am trying t suggest is that these policies do not increase the aggregate or total number of minority kids in higher education—not at all. The total number of minority students in higher education has remained roughly constant for over twenty years. In fact, in a number of years it has gone down. The effect of affirmative action policies or racial preference policies has been to take young people who have the grades and test scores to be admitted to Virginia Community College and accept them by a preference into the University of Virginia, or to take kids who have the grades and test scores to succeed at UVA and admit them to Berkeley, or to take the kids who have the grades and test scores for Berkeley and get them admitted to Princeton, or to Yale. There is a kind of ratcheting-up effect which is an important factor. It is not the only factor, but it is an important factor behind the depressingly high dropout rates that minority students suffer in American higher education.

Right - just focusing on getting more URMs into TJ is very short-sighted. What happens to them during high school? What happens to them for college admissions and later in life?

And TJ parents don't even object to getting more URMs into TJ. They could easily add bumps to URMs in the existing holistic admission framework.

They only have a problem of using URMs as a disguise to lottery in far more whites at the expense of Asians who are at a disadvantage of demographics.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://reason.com/video/anti-racism-soho-debate/

This is really an interesting video, worth watching if you have the time.

So I was looking into proposition 209 since there was so much discussion about it, and it turns out that while urm enrollments went down after race based admission was banned in California, the number of urn graduates either stayed steady or increased. This was because the dropout numbers had been higher earlier. Race based quotas meant that students were being pushed into programs they weren’t ready for, so ended up dropping out.

Dinesh D'Souza wrote about this very phenomena in his book "Illiberal Education" 30 years ago. Very eye opening.

Ew - Dinesh D'Souza is a conspiracy-minded self-hater, much like Qarni, though both are on opposite ends of the ideological spectrum. I don't want to align with either of these two kooks.

Too bad, Dinesh sez:
A third factor, closely related, is: What effect does affirmative action have on the groups it seeks to help? I strolled across the Berkeley campus to what the administration calls, somewhat euphemistically, the “Office of Retention.” There I was told that the dropout rate for affirmative action groups is disastrously high. For example, while whi8tes and Asians graduate from Berkeley at the rate of about 75% to 80%, the graduation rate for Hispanic students is only about 50%. Only one in two students graduated. For black students, it is even lower than that. And these figures, by the way, are not unique to Berkeley; they are duplicated on the national scale. The affirmative action policies are, to some degree, misplacing a number of minority students in higher education. What I am trying t suggest is that these policies do not increase the aggregate or total number of minority kids in higher education—not at all. The total number of minority students in higher education has remained roughly constant for over twenty years. In fact, in a number of years it has gone down. The effect of affirmative action policies or racial preference policies has been to take young people who have the grades and test scores to be admitted to Virginia Community College and accept them by a preference into the University of Virginia, or to take kids who have the grades and test scores to succeed at UVA and admit them to Berkeley, or to take the kids who have the grades and test scores for Berkeley and get them admitted to Princeton, or to Yale. There is a kind of ratcheting-up effect which is an important factor. It is not the only factor, but it is an important factor behind the depressingly high dropout rates that minority students suffer in American higher education.

Right - just focusing on getting more URMs into TJ is very short-sighted. What happens to them during high school? What happens to them for college admissions and later in life?

And TJ parents don't even object to getting more URMs into TJ. They could easily add bumps to URMs in the existing holistic admission framework.

They only have a problem of using URMs as a disguise to lottery in far more whites at the expense of Asians who are at a disadvantage of demographics.

And it isn't even the majority in on this. There is a minority that is making everyone believe that this is to help URMs. They are blindly believing in this without any surveys, data, or models.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"Trust me, most white people support you (Asian people). I'm white and I certainly do. We don't want to see this country throw out all standards of intelligence and achievement. "YOU get an A, and YOU get an A! EVERYBODY GETS AN A!" That's not how successful societies function but it's what the insane liberal marxist activists are trying to turn all of our successful institutions into. Everyone on here trying to drum up hatred between asian and white people are probably local black marxists."

I agree with this, there are many white people (often conservatives these days) which find all this adjusting for equal outcomes vs equal opportunities offensive. And many black people too.
Sure, there are a few white people on here denying AA discrimination. Whatever, they are entitled to their opinion, why engage them?

Just some reading material: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52714804

Segregationists and those in favor of ethnic cleansing should not get to promote their hateful views unchallenged.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"Trust me, most white people support you (Asian people). I'm white and I certainly do. We don't want to see this country throw out all standards of intelligence and achievement. "YOU get an A, and YOU get an A! EVERYBODY GETS AN A!" That's not how successful societies function but it's what the insane liberal marxist activists are trying to turn all of our successful institutions into. Everyone on here trying to drum up hatred between asian and white people are probably local black marxists."

I agree with this, there are many white people (often conservatives these days) which find all this adjusting for equal outcomes vs equal opportunities offensive. And many black people too.
Sure, there are a few white people on here denying AA discrimination. Whatever, they are entitled to their opinion, why engage them?

Just some reading material: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52714804

Segregationists and those in favor of ethnic cleansing should not get to promote their hateful views unchallenged.

Who are the segregationists? Who is advocating for ethnic cleansing?

[Anonymous]

For all of the Asians looking at URMs as the problem. The proposed lottery system will benefit white students the most. Don't feed into the lies that this is only to promote underachieving minorities.

But, you have always been willing tools to help spread the word and advocate for someone else's agenda.

Nice job taking the bait.

[Anonymous]

I am not Asian, but I have to concur. I cannot believe how insulted they must feel when the number 1 high school in the country is considered to have a "toxic culture" (by even the FCPS School Board) simply because they are the predominant group that gets in when it is merit based. And for all Asians to be lumped together is mind-boggling. Who really considers someone from India the same ethnic group as someone from Japan?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am not Asian, but I have to concur. I cannot believe how insulted they must feel when the number 1 high school in the country is considered to have a "toxic culture" (by even the FCPS School Board) simply because they are the predominant group that gets in when it is merit based. And for all Asians to be lumped together is mind-boggling. Who really considers someone from India the same ethnic group as someone from Japan?

TJ is not considered to have a "toxic culture" simply because the school has a super-majority of Asian students. It is considered to have a "toxic culture" because of the behavior of its students, teachers, and parents.

If you wish to treat those two facts as one and the same, go right ahead, but that is on you.

[Anonymous]

What's toxic about working hard and striving to be the best you can be?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What's toxic about working hard and striving to be the best you can be?

Typical response. Just ignore all of the cheating and racism done by the students and focus on the test scores. The American Dream, right? Get ahead any way you can. And you wonder why there's not much outrage about the proposed admissions outside of the TJ community.