Affirmative Action should be income-based, not race-based

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Anonymous wrote:Funny how most Americans think slavery is ok in China today.

I do not think it is ok there or anywhere else

I am sick of the posters claiming that Jews suffered more therefore they are right

Not a single poster has claimed that Jews suffered more, although that of course could be debated. Certainly the Holocaust, in which Jews were deemed sub-human and gassed to death by the millions, is horrendous beyond words.

No, the point being made about Jews is in response to liberals who keep saying that the only reason that blacks have been less successful, collectively, is due to prejudice and bigotry. Jews, despite millennia of prejudice, have succeeded. Even less than one generation after their families were murdered for being Jewish, they went from poor immigrant to middle-class college graduate or successful business owner. Thus, the point is that you can't claim that prejudice alone explains lack of success. Jews have revealed that, and that's why there's so much resentment toward them: they dispel the liberal myth that "it's always someone else's fault."

What are all of the challenges that black people have faced and do face today?

Please, enough of this
Jews were not brought to America as slaves
There is no need for anyone to feel pity for a privileged small ethnic minority
There are people suffering today in America

You’re obviously ignorant of history. Jews were being persecuted far before any black was brought to America. I don’t think anybody except for people like you are looking for pity. Why don’t you look at the Jews as shining examples to be emulated?

Yes, that's the point! These liberals are angry that Jews, despite their horrific persecution, manage to succeed in spite of that.

And now we have some liberal claiming that Jews want to be pitied when they're a privileged minority.Why not ask instead WHY such a persecuted people have become a "privileged" minority - and follow their lead? Because it doesn't fit the liberal myth that bigotry is entirely to blame for failure. The Jews prove it isn't true! And that is why leftist posters actually resent them. They would prefer that the Jews were less educated than average, with lower salaries, and lower networks - like blacks - simply to prove that growing up under prejudice is the reason for failure.

100% bullshit. You're so obsessed with being a victim that you've lost touch with reality.

Facts:
- no one here is angry with Jewish people or resents them
- no one here prefers that Jewish people were less educated or compensated
- no one here is comparing Jewish people to black people except for you

And you're so obsessed with hiding the fact that a minority people can rise to the top despite the absolute worst prejudice is making you lose touch with reality.

How am I a victim by pointing out that the Jews REFUSED to be victims, smack dab in the middle of the Holocaust, and blame failure on that prejudice? They made the right personal choices. It's the blacks who are playing the victim. Stop blaming everything thing failure on prejudice. Jews have proven to you that you can rise above the worst of it by making the right choices.

The Jewish people have had many struggles over the millennia. I'm not trying to hide it. It's just not relevant here even though you keep bringing it up. Go start a new thread if you want to discuss it.

Of course, if you do think it's relevant, please describe the struggles of black Americans and describe the similarities and differences.


If you don't understand the history and experience of black Americans then why do consider yourself qualified to judge them?

[Anonymous]

Since seats at elite Universities are so low in number with such great demand, they should be treated as a commodity. We live in a capitalist country so they should sell the seats to the students that can afford the highest tuition. If someone can afford 10 million a year then they should get in over someone that can only afford 80k or 100k a year. If they want to allow in some affirmative action poors that can only afford 100k a year because they have great test scores then that's fine too.

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Anonymous wrote:Funny how most Americans think slavery is ok in China today.

I do not think it is ok there or anywhere else

I am sick of the posters claiming that Jews suffered more therefore they are right

Not a single poster has claimed that Jews suffered more, although that of course could be debated. Certainly the Holocaust, in which Jews were deemed sub-human and gassed to death by the millions, is horrendous beyond words.

No, the point being made about Jews is in response to liberals who keep saying that the only reason that blacks have been less successful, collectively, is due to prejudice and bigotry. Jews, despite millennia of prejudice, have succeeded. Even less than one generation after their families were murdered for being Jewish, they went from poor immigrant to middle-class college graduate or successful business owner. Thus, the point is that you can't claim that prejudice alone explains lack of success. Jews have revealed that, and that's why there's so much resentment toward them: they dispel the liberal myth that "it's always someone else's fault."

What are all of the challenges that black people have faced and do face today?

Please, enough of this
Jews were not brought to America as slaves
There is no need for anyone to feel pity for a privileged small ethnic minority
There are people suffering today in America

You’re obviously ignorant of history. Jews were being persecuted far before any black was brought to America. I don’t think anybody except for people like you are looking for pity. Why don’t you look at the Jews as shining examples to be emulated?

The Jewish path isn't that hard to emulate. It's what the children of poor immigrants did while their cousins overseas were being slaughtered for being Jewish:

1) Give priority to your studies so that you can score excellent grades and get admitted to a low-tuition college and/or win scholarships.

2) Get an after-school job while in college if necessary, working every night to 10 pm, and then come home and study until 2 a.m., to get money for college expenses and help pitch in for the food.

3) Do not have babies until after you are married and have completed college.

Easy if your skin is white and you are not automatically targeted.

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Anonymous wrote:Funny how most Americans think slavery is ok in China today.

I do not think it is ok there or anywhere else

I am sick of the posters claiming that Jews suffered more therefore they are right

Not a single poster has claimed that Jews suffered more, although that of course could be debated. Certainly the Holocaust, in which Jews were deemed sub-human and gassed to death by the millions, is horrendous beyond words.

No, the point being made about Jews is in response to liberals who keep saying that the only reason that blacks have been less successful, collectively, is due to prejudice and bigotry. Jews, despite millennia of prejudice, have succeeded. Even less than one generation after their families were murdered for being Jewish, they went from poor immigrant to middle-class college graduate or successful business owner. Thus, the point is that you can't claim that prejudice alone explains lack of success. Jews have revealed that, and that's why there's so much resentment toward them: they dispel the liberal myth that "it's always someone else's fault."

What are all of the challenges that black people have faced and do face today?

Please, enough of this
Jews were not brought to America as slaves
There is no need for anyone to feel pity for a privileged small ethnic minority
There are people suffering today in America

You’re obviously ignorant of history. Jews were being persecuted far before any black was brought to America. I don’t think anybody except for people like you are looking for pity. Why don’t you look at the Jews as shining examples to be emulated?

Yes, that's the point! These liberals are angry that Jews, despite their horrific persecution, manage to succeed in spite of that.

And now we have some liberal claiming that Jews want to be pitied when they're a privileged minority.Why not ask instead WHY such a persecuted people have become a "privileged" minority - and follow their lead? Because it doesn't fit the liberal myth that bigotry is entirely to blame for failure. The Jews prove it isn't true! And that is why leftist posters actually resent them. They would prefer that the Jews were less educated than average, with lower salaries, and lower networks - like blacks - simply to prove that growing up under prejudice is the reason for failure.

100% bullshit. You're so obsessed with being a victim that you've lost touch with reality.

Facts:
- no one here is angry with Jewish people or resents them
- no one here prefers that Jewish people were less educated or compensated
- no one here is comparing Jewish people to black people except for you

And you're so obsessed with hiding the fact that a minority people can rise to the top despite the absolute worst prejudice is making you lose touch with reality.

How am I a victim by pointing out that the Jews REFUSED to be victims, smack dab in the middle of the Holocaust, and blame failure on that prejudice? They made the right personal choices. It's the blacks who are playing the victim. Stop blaming everything thing failure on prejudice. Jews have proven to you that you can rise above the worst of it by making the right choices.

The Jewish people have had many struggles over the millennia. I'm not trying to hide it. It's just not relevant here even though you keep bringing it up. Go start a new thread if you want to discuss it.

Of course, if you do think it's relevant, please describe the struggles of black Americans and describe the similarities and differences.


If you don't understand the history and experience of black Americans then why do consider yourself qualified to judge them?

OP or the PP - would you care to answer?

[Anonymous]

Who is this weird poster who will not stop posting about the Jews and is preventing this thread from being a discussion about the challenges of affirmative action and the lifting up if the poor African Americans in this country

I even get a sense that they are victim blaming

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#whitetears

The argument for affirmative action has been argued over and over and consistently wins because America must account for the sins of its past. Hmmm... actually not just the past. This idea that money is somehow protective of racism is laughable, not in the way that this country was designed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Who is this weird poster who will not stop posting about the Jews and is preventing this thread from being a discussion about the challenges of affirmative action and the lifting up if the poor African Americans in this country

I even get a sense that they are victim blaming

I'm wondering...

Is it the Farrakhan poster and/or the poster who is constantly posting about crimes against Jewish people in NYC?

Similar undertones.

[Anonymous]

Federal judge rules Harvard does not discriminate against Asian Americans in admissions

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/federal-judge-rules-harvard-does-not-discriminate-against-asian-americans-in-admissions/2019/10/01/dc106b54-a8a1-11e9-a3a6-ab670962db05_story.html

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Anonymous wrote:Federal judge rules Harvard does not discriminate against Asian Americans in admissions

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/federal-judge-rules-harvard-does-not-discriminate-against-asian-americans-in-admissions/2019/10/01/dc106b54-a8a1-11e9-a3a6-ab670962db05_story.html

Headline is outright false.

Judge did admit discrimination against Asian Americans, but said that discrimination is legal in the interest of diversity.

WaPo is becoming BuzzFeed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Federal judge rules Harvard does not discriminate against Asian Americans in admissions

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/federal-judge-rules-harvard-does-not-discriminate-against-asian-americans-in-admissions/2019/10/01/dc106b54-a8a1-11e9-a3a6-ab670962db05_story.html

Me thinks some have an over-inflated sense of self worth. I hate when people blame affirmative action instead of looking for personal growth.

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Looking at "Whole person" is like a company looking at "cultural fit" as a way of discriminating against older people. How can you legally argue against "cultural fit" and " whole person"?

[Anonymous]

Be a recruited athlete at Harvard. That’s an 86 percent admit rate. I wonder what it would be for a legacy recruited athlete.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Funny how most Americans think slavery is ok in China today.

I do not think it is ok there or anywhere else

I am sick of the posters claiming that Jews suffered more therefore they are right

Not a single poster has claimed that Jews suffered more, although that of course could be debated. Certainly the Holocaust, in which Jews were deemed sub-human and gassed to death by the millions, is horrendous beyond words.

No, the point being made about Jews is in response to liberals who keep saying that the only reason that blacks have been less successful, collectively, is due to prejudice and bigotry. Jews, despite millennia of prejudice, have succeeded. Even less than one generation after their families were murdered for being Jewish, they went from poor immigrant to middle-class college graduate or successful business owner. Thus, the point is that you can't claim that prejudice alone explains lack of success. Jews have revealed that, and that's why there's so much resentment toward them: they dispel the liberal myth that "it's always someone else's fault."

What are all of the challenges that black people have faced and do face today?

Please, enough of this
Jews were not brought to America as slaves
There is no need for anyone to feel pity for a privileged small ethnic minority
There are people suffering today in America

You’re obviously ignorant of history. Jews were being persecuted far before any black was brought to America. I don’t think anybody except for people like you are looking for pity. Why don’t you look at the Jews as shining examples to be emulated?

Yes, that's the point! These liberals are angry that Jews, despite their horrific persecution, manage to succeed in spite of that.

And now we have some liberal claiming that Jews want to be pitied when they're a privileged minority.Why not ask instead WHY such a persecuted people have become a "privileged" minority - and follow their lead? Because it doesn't fit the liberal myth that bigotry is entirely to blame for failure. The Jews prove it isn't true! And that is why leftist posters actually resent them. They would prefer that the Jews were less educated than average, with lower salaries, and lower networks - like blacks - simply to prove that growing up under prejudice is the reason for failure.

100% bullshit. You're so obsessed with being a victim that you've lost touch with reality.

Facts:
- no one here is angry with Jewish people or resents them
- no one here prefers that Jewish people were less educated or compensated
- no one here is comparing Jewish people to black people except for you

And you're so obsessed with hiding the fact that a minority people can rise to the top despite the absolute worst prejudice is making you lose touch with reality.

How am I a victim by pointing out that the Jews REFUSED to be victims, smack dab in the middle of the Holocaust, and blame failure on that prejudice? They made the right personal choices. It's the blacks who are playing the victim. Stop blaming everything thing failure on prejudice. Jews have proven to you that you can rise above the worst of it by making the right choices.

The Jewish people have had many struggles over the millennia. I'm not trying to hide it. It's just not relevant here even though you keep bringing it up. Go start a new thread if you want to discuss it.

Of course, if you do think it's relevant, please describe the struggles of black Americans and describe the similarities and differences.


If you don't understand the history and experience of black Americans then why do consider yourself qualified to judge them?

DP here, the 32 second summary...

AA-Slaves = Ancient Jewish slaves, Jewish slave labor ww2
AA terrorized by KKK, jim crow, extra judical hangings = Jewish Pogroms, Nazi Germany, Spanish Inquisition, Rhineland massacres and countless other historical events, massacares, ethnic cleansings over several thousand years, jewish social exclusion, property rights exclusion, blood libel, anti-jewish actions by the catholic church
AA's restricted college admisions = Jewish Restricted College admissions
AA's restricted trades= Jews restricted trades/professsions (in the Jewish case for thousands of years)
AA removed from their homeland = Jews removed from their homeland living as disporia for 2000 years, later Jews expelled from England, France, Germany, Spain and Portugal

Yeah totally dissimiliar.... The jew's suffered far more discrimination, for a far longer period of time, with far more severity, yet they were able to survive and thrive when society liberalized.

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Anonymous wrote:No. Absolutely not.

Poor white people, poor white trash as we call them in my house growing up, still have all the advantages of being white.

It's nonsense to pretend otherwise.

You think poor white "trash" as you call them, are better than wealthy educated black people?

Sounds like you are some kind of a Nazi.

[Anonymous]

Ruling will be appealed. With current makeup of USSC they will take the case and overturn the ruling. Anyhow, who cares anymore. Just pay to get your kid in like Huffman and Loughlin, or have your kid juice up and get in on a sports scholarship.