2024 US News rankings

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Anonymous wrote:UVA has slightly better SAT/ACT averages than UMich.

UVA: 1400-1540, 32-34
Umich; 1340-1520, 31-34

It's silly to claim Umich is definitely a better school. It's larger and colder for sure. The rest ...

Shall we bring up all the rankings where Michigan beats UVA? Like. in. every. single. one. This discussion is about school rankings, specifically at USNWR.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:UVA has slightly better SAT/ACT averages than UMich.

UVA: 1400-1540, 32-34
Umich; 1340-1520, 31-34

It's silly to claim Umich is definitely a better school. It's larger and colder for sure. The rest ...

I’ll be glad to claim Michigan is a better school that Virginia. I also don’t feel the least bit silly saying it either. If I had the choice between which school I would want attend and obtain a degree from, it would be U-M.

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Anonymous wrote:Second year on the national list, JMU moves up to 124. I know, it's not the top 20 we're all obsessed over. But I always thought that school should get more credit. Elon moved closer to where it should be and no longer in the top 100.

I saw that - good for JMU! It has served my family very well.

GNU is at 105. Isn't that a big rise too?

I assume you meant GMu. Our DD went there (yes live in dorms - its stopped being a commuter school decades ago for you old farts -0 go read Wikipedia on GMU before you post) Great experience for her. paid internshipos every summer. Hired before graduation for higj tech position

The ‘22 stats say about 5,500 out of 39,000 live on campus. That 5.5k number is bigger than many schools but do you know a lot more students are living close by off campus or are the rest of those 33k+ commuters?


From wiki. 6,200 students
The school's Fairfax, Virginia, campus is the hub of undergraduate student life. Students can live in traditional coed residence halls, suites and apartments. The main campus houses more than 6,200 students and 75 percent of freshman students live on campus in one of the residence halls.

George Mason University (GMU) - Profile, Rankings and Data

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Anonymous wrote:I can only speak for TJ as DD goes there, but Michigan is a safety school, period.

TJ gets like 30-40 acceptances there a year but only like 3-4 go. UVA on the other hand is far more competitive and any TJ student would go there over Michigan in a heart beat.

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Anonymous wrote:Unless they’re a legacy, your kid isn’t getting in to Dartmouth or Cornell or Harvard.

What do you think is the actual percentage of legacy students in the undergraduate class of an Ivy League school?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:UVA has slightly better SAT/ACT averages than UMich.

UVA: 1400-1540, 32-34
Umich; 1340-1520, 31-34

It's silly to claim Umich is definitely a better school. It's larger and colder for sure. The rest ...

UVA's scores are more significant at the 75th percentile. Then, the SAT becomes a 1520 (meaning 25% of the students have higher), the 75th percentile ACT is a 34 (again, 25 percent have higher) and the GPA is a 4.53. I've counseled a number of students who were waitlisted at UVA and actually showed up at Michigan only to get the green light from UVA and go there.

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Prestige isn’t much of a motivator in the state of Michigan. There are a few upscale suburbs & a few upscale private schools where more than a handful of people care about college prestige. The vast majority of students are perfectly content to go to Michigan State, Central Michigan, Wayne State, and so on. For the past decade, a “hot” college in Michigan has been Grand Valley State University, which has over 25,000 students. Probably none of the students there picked it due to anything resembling prestige.

In other words, this isn’t a state where all bright students, or even all valedictorians, aspire to attend U of Michigan. They don’t DISlike it, they just think other colleges suit their needs just fine. Most people tend to see U of Michigan as a big place with a famous football team, with an abundance of left-leaning New Yorkers (not exactly a group everybody in the state is dying to hang out with).

So, those who dismiss U of Michigan due to its acceptance percentage are ignorant of its limited appeal in-state. Most people in the state would be baffled as to why anybody would see ANY college as a source of personal prestige, & why people several states away are obsessing over that big school over in Ann Arbor.

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Anonymous wrote:The only reason to attend UVA over Michigan is to get in-state tuition but I also know a lot of people who would still pass on UVA.

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Not at $37,500 a year all in when SLACs like USC are over $92,000. Michigan OOS is $76,294. NOt worth it

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:UVA has slightly better SAT/ACT averages than UMich.

UVA: 1400-1540, 32-34
Umich; 1340-1520, 31-34

It's silly to claim Umich is definitely a better school. It's larger and colder for sure. The rest ...

Shall we bring up all the rankings where Michigan beats UVA? Like. in. every. single. one. This discussion is about school rankings, specifically at USNWR.

UVA has produced 56 Rhodes Scholars. Michigan, only 30

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:UVA has slightly better SAT/ACT averages than UMich.

UVA: 1400-1540, 32-34
Umich; 1340-1520, 31-34

It's silly to claim Umich is definitely a better school. It's larger and colder for sure. The rest ...

Shall we bring up all the rankings where Michigan beats UVA? Like. in. every. single. one. This discussion is about school rankings, specifically at USNWR.

UVA has produced 56 Rhodes Scholars. Michigan, only 30

How about zero Nobel prize winners at UVA. That a big fat 0. I’m much more impressed by Nobel prize winners.

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Anonymous wrote:The only reason to attend UVA over Michigan is to get in-state tuition but I also know a lot of people who would still pass on UVA.

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Not at $37,500 a year all in when SLACs like USC are over $92,000. Michigan OOS is $76,294. NOt worth it

Now USC, a school with oalmost 50,000 students is a SLAC? Have UVA boosters any shame?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My TJ kid got a 20K scholarship from UVA in an EA offer, then withdrew her Michigan RD application on the next day.

Michigan is a great school, but not worth the 80K OOS cost. You do not need a college degree to figure out the difference between 20K and 80K.

I think the opposite is true too. it is hard to imagine any Michigan kids would choose UVA if given a Michigan offer.

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Anonymous wrote:I can only speak for TJ as DD goes there, but Michigan is a safety school, period.

TJ gets like 30-40 acceptances there a year but only like 3-4 go. UVA on the other hand is far more competitive and any TJ student would go there over Michigan in a heart beat.

Perhaps that’s why UVA has fallen to #5 among the publics.

You are not being honest in these posts.

UVA is celebrating because it rose to no 24 on the USNWR overall listing of top colleges and universities. https://news.virginia.edu/content/uva-advances-one-spot-retooled-us-news-ranking-no-24-nationally?utm_source=DailyReport&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=news. That is the only list that matters to those in college admissions

UVA also rose to no 2 best value in the nation in a subsection of USNWR

And was also best value 3 Princeton Review earlier this summer. etc. etc.

What this basher poster is talking about is a subsection - not the full tally - of a USNWR-compiled list of the public universities in America, on which UVA dropped from 3 to 5. This happened (and it's also discussed in the UVA piece above) because under the new methodologies USNWR is using, the number of Pell grant students admitted is going to make a larger impact than ever before. The problem with this assessment - as has been noted by many here and is not in dispute - is that colleges and universities have no say over the amount of Pell Grant students it takes. That matter is decided by the financial status of the student AFTER acceptance. Whether or not a larger proportion of students is Pell Grant eligible or not is simply a matter of demographics of the state. As long as the economics of California run behind Virginia, Virginia will never again be no. 3 public university. That is why there is a call on USNWR to change the methodologies that universities have no control over. It's a systemically flawed criteria. Poorer states (with poorer applicants) will always do better on this new methodology.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My TJ kid got a 20K scholarship from UVA in an EA offer, then withdrew her Michigan RD application on the next day.

Michigan is a great school, but not worth the 80K OOS cost. You do not need a college degree to figure out the difference between 20K and 80K.

I think the opposite is true too. it is hard to imagine any Michigan kids would choose UVA if given a Michigan offer.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can only speak for TJ as DD goes there, but Michigan is a safety school, period.

TJ gets like 30-40 acceptances there a year but only like 3-4 go. UVA on the other hand is far more competitive and any TJ student would go there over Michigan in a heart beat.

Perhaps that’s why UVA has fallen to #5 among the publics.

You are not being honest in these posts.

UVA is celebrating because it rose to no 24 on the USNWR overall listing of top colleges and universities. https://news.virginia.edu/content/uva-advances-one-spot-retooled-us-news-ranking-no-24-nationally?utm_source=DailyReport&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=news. That is the only list that matters to those in college admissions

UVA also rose to no 2 best value in the nation in a subsection of USNWR

And was also best value 3 Princeton Review earlier this summer. etc. etc.

What this basher poster is talking about is a subsection - not the full tally - of a USNWR-compiled list of the public universities in America, on which UVA dropped from 3 to 5. This happened (and it's also discussed in the UVA piece above) because under the new methodologies USNWR is using, the number of Pell grant students admitted is going to make a larger impact than ever before. The problem with this assessment - as has been noted by many here and is not in dispute - is that colleges and universities have no say over the amount of Pell Grant students it takes. That matter is decided by the financial status of the student AFTER acceptance. Whether or not a larger proportion of students is Pell Grant eligible or not is simply a matter of demographics of the state. As long as the economics of California run behind Virginia, Virginia will never again be no. 3 public university. That is why there is a call on USNWR to change the methodologies that universities have no control over. It's a systemically flawed criteria. Poorer states (with poorer applicants) will always do better on this new methodology.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:UVA has slightly better SAT/ACT averages than UMich.

UVA: 1400-1540, 32-34
Umich; 1340-1520, 31-34

It's silly to claim Umich is definitely a better school. It's larger and colder for sure. The rest ...

UVA's scores are more significant at the 75th percentile. Then, the SAT becomes a 1520 (meaning 25% of the students have higher), the 75th percentile ACT is a 34 (again, 25 percent have higher) and the GPA is a 4.53. I've counseled a number of students who were waitlisted at UVA and actually showed up at Michigan only to get the green light from UVA and go there.

At the 75th percentile, I don’t see a big difference between 1540 vs 1520. Both schools are at 34. Is that your point? What is your point?

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Can we all agree that UVA is the #1 most obnoxious school on DCUM?