2024 US News rankings

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Anonymous wrote:All the ivys except Dartmouth moved up. Surprised by a few like UNC and UMich and poor WashU. Disappointed in Emory thought they would move up to 20.

Wash U. absolutely deserved it because of their terrible financial aid plan. I'm a WUSTL alumn who would have loved to see my kids apply there, but we are a donut hole family and absolutely could not afford the cost of WUSTL.

They're changing it for next year, BTW. They're eliminating all need based loans and replacing them with institutional grants and scholarships.

https://financialaid.wustl.edu/

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Anonymous wrote:The only reason to attend UVA over Michigan is to get in-state tuition but I also know a lot of people who would still pass on UVA.

+1

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Anonymous wrote:Dartmouth has been wildly overrated for a while, so this new ranking isn’t surprising to me.

Top 15 all look about accurate to me.

True. Dartmouth is truly the lowest ivy. People think it's Cornell because Cornell stats gets dragged down because of its agriculture and hotel schools. But Dartmouth is hands down the easiest ivy to get into.

Very sorry that despite Dartmouth being the "easiest ivy" to get into (your words not mine), your kid STILL didn't get into Dartmouth. Hope you can find solace in wherever your student landed.

Cornell's acceptance rate is 9% (RD). Dartmouth and Brown are tied at 6% (RD). Excluding EDs, Dartmouth and Brown are also tied at 4% while Cornell is 7%.

The data is in College Transitions for 2022 admissions. It's good to be informed of facts.

[Anonymous]

Dartmouth has been wildly overrated for a while, so this new ranking isn’t surprising to me.

Top 15 all look about accurate to me.

True. Dartmouth is truly the lowest ivy. People think it's Cornell because Cornell stats gets dragged down because of its agriculture and hotel schools. But Dartmouth is hands down the easiest ivy to get into.

Dartmouth is #18 - so lowest ranked Ivy by far

Once again I ask what evidence to you have to make that determination? I don't think you have any.

So the evidence of the fact that it is over-rated is the fact that it is currently the lowest rated Ivy?

Circular reasoning at best, but IMHO very faulty reasoning regardless.

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Anonymous wrote:I can only speak for TJ as DD goes there, but Michigan is a safety school, period.

TJ gets like 30-40 acceptances there a year but only like 3-4 go. UVA on the other hand is far more competitive and any TJ student would go there over Michigan in a heart beat.

Definitely Not a safety for its top post grad programs … lower admit rates for top STEM programs than at the ivies …

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Anonymous wrote:I can only speak for TJ as DD goes there, but Michigan is a safety school, period.

TJ gets like 30-40 acceptances there a year but only like 3-4 go. UVA on the other hand is far more competitive and any TJ student would go there over Michigan in a heart beat.

Isn't TJ slipping fast like WashU and Chicago?
Its overemphasis on STEM and years of mismanagement make it overrated in my book. It has become the UVA of local high schools. Kids are also not building the social capital they could be as juniors and seniors there because they are so concerned their "friends' might apply to the schools they want to attend. I could care less where TJ kids end up. It doesn't have any bearing on whether that place is better.
TJ kids have a large financial incentive to go to UVA but they'd need to be truly exceptional out-of-state applicants to get massive aid from Michigan.
On the West coast and in big tech, Michigan is viewed as the better school though still not on par with Cal.

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Anonymous wrote:I can only speak for TJ as DD goes there, but Michigan is a safety school, period.

TJ gets like 30-40 acceptances there a year but only like 3-4 go. UVA on the other hand is far more competitive and any TJ student would go there over Michigan in a heart beat.

Isn't TJ slipping fast like WashU and Chicago?
Its overemphasis on STEM and years of mismanagement make it overrated in my book. It has become the UVA of local high schools. Kids are also not building the social capital they could be as juniors and seniors there because they are so concerned their "friends' might apply to the schools they want to attend. I could care less where TJ kids end up. It doesn't have any bearing on whether that place is better.
TJ kids have a large financial incentive to go to UVA but they'd need to be truly exceptional out-of-state applicants to get massive aid from Michigan.
On the West coast and in big tech, Michigan is viewed as the better school though still not on par with Cal.

There is no doubt in my mind that a UVA degree doesn’t travel as well as a Michigan one. For that matter, I also agree that Berkeley trumps all publics in prestige and acceptance.

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Anonymous wrote:I can only speak for TJ as DD goes there, but Michigan is a safety school, period.

TJ gets like 30-40 acceptances there a year but only like 3-4 go. UVA on the other hand is far more competitive and any TJ student would go there over Michigan in a heart beat.

Isn't TJ slipping fast like WashU and Chicago?
Its overemphasis on STEM and years of mismanagement make it overrated in my book. It has become the UVA of local high schools. Kids are also not building the social capital they could be as juniors and seniors there because they are so concerned their "friends' might apply to the schools they want to attend. I could care less where TJ kids end up. It doesn't have any bearing on whether that place is better.
TJ kids have a large financial incentive to go to UVA but they'd need to be truly exceptional out-of-state applicants to get massive aid from Michigan.
On the West coast and in big tech, Michigan is viewed as the better school though still not on par with Cal.

No.

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Anonymous wrote:Dartmouth has been wildly overrated for a while, so this new ranking isn’t surprising to me.

Top 15 all look about accurate to me.

True. Dartmouth is truly the lowest ivy. People think it's Cornell because Cornell stats gets dragged down because of its agriculture and hotel schools. But Dartmouth is hands down the easiest ivy to get into.

Very sorry that despite Dartmouth being the "easiest ivy" to get into (your words not mine), your kid STILL didn't get into Dartmouth. Hope you can find solace in wherever your student landed.

Cornell's acceptance rate is 9% (RD). Dartmouth and Brown are tied at 6% (RD). Excluding EDs, Dartmouth and Brown are also tied at 4% while Cornell is 7%.

The data is in College Transitions for 2022 admissions. It's good to be informed of facts.

DP. Your numbers aren't accurate.
Brown's acceptance rate was like 5% overall for Class of '26. RD was 3.5%. Dartmouth's overall was around 6.5. D also better odds for ED. Brown much tougher for women.

[Anonymous]

The acceptance rate to UVA from TJ is 15%, the acceptance rate to Michigan is like 90%. Why is there a debate about which school is the safety lol

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The acceptance rate to UVA from TJ is 15%, the acceptance rate to Michigan is like 90%. Why is there a debate about which school is the safety lol

Acceptance rates don't tell most of the story. There is a different subset applying (far more to USA, I'm sure). Also, Michigan is happy to accept good full-tuition and high stats kids OOS! Michigan does't guarantee to meet need OOS and can be stingy with OOS merit aid when an applicant isn't amazing, so kids at TJ self-select out and don't bother paying to apply. TJ students (and parents) can be set on particular private schools, even if their families are in that MC and UMC group that might struggle to pay based on need-based aid alone. Most of them apply to UVA too just in case and some realize it is the best option for their family too (it probably is in more cases than they realize). UVA, being a great state school, is also the top choice of many at TJ, which makes a ton of sense even if Michigan is regarded as the better overall institution.

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Anonymous wrote:The acceptance rate to UVA from TJ is 15%, the acceptance rate to Michigan is like 90%. Why is there a debate about which school is the safety lol

Acceptance rates don't tell most of the story. There is a different subset applying (far more to USA, I'm sure). Also, Michigan is happy to accept good full-tuition and high stats kids OOS! Michigan does't guarantee to meet need OOS and can be stingy with OOS merit aid when an applicant isn't amazing, so kids at TJ self-select out and don't bother paying to apply. TJ students (and parents) can be set on particular private schools, even if their families are in that MC and UMC group that might struggle to pay based on need-based aid alone. Most of them apply to UVA too just in case and some realize it is the best option for their family too (it probably is in more cases than they realize). UVA, being a great state school, is also the top choice of many at TJ, which makes a ton of sense even if Michigan is regarded as the better overall institution.

I can only imagine the shame that TJ parents feel when their child has to settle for UVA. Seriously, attending a top high school for STEM and having to end up at your best instate prestige option that isn’t known for it. Oh the pain, the pain!

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UVA has slightly better SAT/ACT averages than UMich.

UVA: 1400-1540, 32-34
Umich; 1340-1520, 31-34

It's silly to claim Umich is definitely a better school. It's larger and colder for sure. The rest ...

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Anonymous wrote:Dartmouth has been wildly overrated for a while, so this new ranking isn’t surprising to me.

Top 15 all look about accurate to me.

True. Dartmouth is truly the lowest ivy. People think it's Cornell because Cornell stats gets dragged down because of its agriculture and hotel schools. But Dartmouth is hands down the easiest ivy to get into.

Very sorry that despite Dartmouth being the "easiest ivy" to get into (your words not mine), your kid STILL didn't get into Dartmouth. Hope you can find solace in wherever your student landed.

Seriously. Most of the people obsessed with these rankings are going to be severely disappointed during admission season. Unless they’re a legacy, your kid isn’t getting in to Dartmouth or Cornell or Harvard.

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That is because too many equity students in those woke ivy schools

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The acceptance rate to UVA from TJ is 15%, the acceptance rate to Michigan is like 90%. Why is there a debate about which school is the safety lol

Acceptance rates don't tell most of the story. There is a different subset applying (far more to USA, I'm sure). Also, Michigan is happy to accept good full-tuition and high stats kids OOS! Michigan does't guarantee to meet need OOS and can be stingy with OOS merit aid when an applicant isn't amazing, so kids at TJ self-select out and don't bother paying to apply. TJ students (and parents) can be set on particular private schools, even if their families are in that MC and UMC group that might struggle to pay based on need-based aid alone. Most of them apply to UVA too just in case and some realize it is the best option for their family too (it probably is in more cases than they realize). UVA, being a great state school, is also the top choice of many at TJ, which makes a ton of sense even if Michigan is regarded as the better overall institution.

I can only imagine the shame that TJ parents feel when their child has to settle for UVA. Seriously, attending a top high school for STEM and having to end up at your best instate prestige option that isn’t known for it. Oh the pain, the pain!