2024 US News rankings

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Anonymous wrote:There's no doubt that HYPSM opens all the doors. The people doing all the hiring are of an older generation and might still believe there'a meritocracy going on. Times change.

But let's break it down. Yale has clearly lost the plot over the past twenty years. Invested nothing into engineering or computer science. Their business school is a certification program for rich foreigners. It's DEI Central. Yale students get very upset when a grown-up suggests they are responsible for their own Halloween costumes. And they will destroy anyone for any reason at all. Sounds pleasant.

Harvard is all in with the Jared Kushner model. Sprinkle a few talented kids to hide the absolute douchebaggery of most students. Everyone is connected. Country club school. Easy classes and easy grades. Mediocre. Rich kid school. As opposed to smart kid school.

I will pause here for a moment and say I have insomnia and I'm looking for distractions.

Princeton. They're trying. All those resources. Fantastic financial aid. Pretty good in STEM. The Eating Clubs are not great but I get how they're trying to keep traditions while modernizing. Princeton is rolling with things in a smart way. It's not for everyone. But I am pro-Princeton. If you can get in, go for it.

What the hell is wrong with Stanford? It used to be the cool school. We're a Stanford family. But anyone that went there in the 90s or earlier wouldn't recognize it today. Cold. Lifeless. Scared. It's the North Korea of academia today. Lifeless drones marching off to Sand Hill. Pathetic.

MIT is alright. They're not messing around. They actually require tests scores. Your legacy or family name doesn't matter. Good stuff. But it's a really difficult place for a lot of students. Not a MIT student. But used to socialize. It's not a wonderful campus. And you can feel the pressure. When an MIT student chooses to party, they are unleashing a lot of pressure. Not healthy, but in fairness the MIT students I knew were in fraternities.

So the point of this is that Northeastern is the best school. Obviously.

This has some fair points, but Harvard still tends to accept many academically-oriented legacies and athletes. There are many other schools where the less academic legacies and athletes end up but Harvard gets to pick who they want. Of course there are some knuckleheads but that's true of any school outside of MIT and Caltech. IMO right now it's H > PSM > Caltech Yale Duke Penn Columbia > Brown Chicago Northwestern Hopkins Williams Amherst Swarthmore Pomona

It should be M>=S>H>P>Y.

That other school in Cambridge, come on? Maybe a few departments but no way at the university-wide level.

You have no idea of what you're talking about. Harvard is overrated and filled with weak ALDC. MIT dominates Harvard for the "few" departments. It's actually much more than a few

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How would Oxford and Cambridge do with the updated USNWR methodology? They still have the biggest names in the world.

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Anonymous wrote:There's no doubt that HYPSM opens all the doors. The people doing all the hiring are of an older generation and might still believe there'a meritocracy going on. Times change.

But let's break it down. Yale has clearly lost the plot over the past twenty years. Invested nothing into engineering or computer science. Their business school is a certification program for rich foreigners. It's DEI Central. Yale students get very upset when a grown-up suggests they are responsible for their own Halloween costumes. And they will destroy anyone for any reason at all. Sounds pleasant.

Harvard is all in with the Jared Kushner model. Sprinkle a few talented kids to hide the absolute douchebaggery of most students. Everyone is connected. Country club school. Easy classes and easy grades. Mediocre. Rich kid school. As opposed to smart kid school.

I will pause here for a moment and say I have insomnia and I'm looking for distractions.

Princeton. They're trying. All those resources. Fantastic financial aid. Pretty good in STEM. The Eating Clubs are not great but I get how they're trying to keep traditions while modernizing. Princeton is rolling with things in a smart way. It's not for everyone. But I am pro-Princeton. If you can get in, go for it.

What the hell is wrong with Stanford? It used to be the cool school. We're a Stanford family. But anyone that went there in the 90s or earlier wouldn't recognize it today. Cold. Lifeless. Scared. It's the North Korea of academia today. Lifeless drones marching off to Sand Hill. Pathetic.

MIT is alright. They're not messing around. They actually require tests scores. Your legacy or family name doesn't matter. Good stuff. But it's a really difficult place for a lot of students. Not a MIT student. But used to socialize. It's not a wonderful campus. And you can feel the pressure. When an MIT student chooses to party, they are unleashing a lot of pressure. Not healthy, but in fairness the MIT students I knew were in fraternities.

So the point of this is that Northeastern is the best school. Obviously.

This has some fair points, but Harvard still tends to accept many academically-oriented legacies and athletes. There are many other schools where the less academic legacies and athletes end up but Harvard gets to pick who they want. Of course there are some knuckleheads but that's true of any school outside of MIT and Caltech. IMO right now it's H > PSM > Caltech Yale Duke Penn Columbia > Brown Chicago Northwestern Hopkins Williams Amherst Swarthmore Pomona

It should be M>=S>H>P>Y.

That other school in Cambridge, come on? Maybe a few departments but no way at the university-wide level.

You have no idea of what you're talking about. Harvard is overrated and filled with weak ALDC. MIT dominates Harvard for the "few" departments. It's actually much more than a few

In terms of yield rate, MIT is THE highest in the entire country at 85%, followed by Harvard and Stanford at 84%. All other schools are below 80%.
In terms head-to-head comparison for double admits, 64% would choose MIT over Harvard while only 36% would choose the other way around. It says it all.
https://www.parchment.com/c/college/tools/college-cross-admit-comparison.php?compare=Harvard+University&with=Massachusetts+Institute+of+Technology

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Anonymous wrote:There's no doubt that HYPSM opens all the doors. The people doing all the hiring are of an older generation and might still believe there'a meritocracy going on. Times change.

But let's break it down. Yale has clearly lost the plot over the past twenty years. Invested nothing into engineering or computer science. Their business school is a certification program for rich foreigners. It's DEI Central. Yale students get very upset when a grown-up suggests they are responsible for their own Halloween costumes. And they will destroy anyone for any reason at all. Sounds pleasant.

Harvard is all in with the Jared Kushner model. Sprinkle a few talented kids to hide the absolute douchebaggery of most students. Everyone is connected. Country club school. Easy classes and easy grades. Mediocre. Rich kid school. As opposed to smart kid school.

I will pause here for a moment and say I have insomnia and I'm looking for distractions.

Princeton. They're trying. All those resources. Fantastic financial aid. Pretty good in STEM. The Eating Clubs are not great but I get how they're trying to keep traditions while modernizing. Princeton is rolling with things in a smart way. It's not for everyone. But I am pro-Princeton. If you can get in, go for it.

What the hell is wrong with Stanford? It used to be the cool school. We're a Stanford family. But anyone that went there in the 90s or earlier wouldn't recognize it today. Cold. Lifeless. Scared. It's the North Korea of academia today. Lifeless drones marching off to Sand Hill. Pathetic.

MIT is alright. They're not messing around. They actually require tests scores. Your legacy or family name doesn't matter. Good stuff. But it's a really difficult place for a lot of students. Not a MIT student. But used to socialize. It's not a wonderful campus. And you can feel the pressure. When an MIT student chooses to party, they are unleashing a lot of pressure. Not healthy, but in fairness the MIT students I knew were in fraternities.

So the point of this is that Northeastern is the best school. Obviously.

This has some fair points, but Harvard still tends to accept many academically-oriented legacies and athletes. There are many other schools where the less academic legacies and athletes end up but Harvard gets to pick who they want. Of course there are some knuckleheads but that's true of any school outside of MIT and Caltech. IMO right now it's H > PSM > Caltech Yale Duke Penn Columbia > Brown Chicago Northwestern Hopkins Williams Amherst Swarthmore Pomona

It should be M>=S>H>P>Y.

That other school in Cambridge, come on? Maybe a few departments but no way at the university-wide level.

You have no idea of what you're talking about. Harvard is overrated and filled with weak ALDC. MIT dominates Harvard for the "few" departments. It's actually much more than a few

I'm not as familiar with Harvard but MIT is arguably not even as good as Stanford in MIT's strongest departments and it isn't even very close in several others (most of the humanities and social sciences beyond Econ). MIT also doesn't have the breadth of Stanford and Harvard beyond undergrad, which limits it as an overall university.

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Anonymous wrote:There's no doubt that HYPSM opens all the doors. The people doing all the hiring are of an older generation and might still believe there'a meritocracy going on. Times change.

But let's break it down. Yale has clearly lost the plot over the past twenty years. Invested nothing into engineering or computer science. Their business school is a certification program for rich foreigners. It's DEI Central. Yale students get very upset when a grown-up suggests they are responsible for their own Halloween costumes. And they will destroy anyone for any reason at all. Sounds pleasant.

Harvard is all in with the Jared Kushner model. Sprinkle a few talented kids to hide the absolute douchebaggery of most students. Everyone is connected. Country club school. Easy classes and easy grades. Mediocre. Rich kid school. As opposed to smart kid school.

I will pause here for a moment and say I have insomnia and I'm looking for distractions.

Princeton. They're trying. All those resources. Fantastic financial aid. Pretty good in STEM. The Eating Clubs are not great but I get how they're trying to keep traditions while modernizing. Princeton is rolling with things in a smart way. It's not for everyone. But I am pro-Princeton. If you can get in, go for it.

What the hell is wrong with Stanford? It used to be the cool school. We're a Stanford family. But anyone that went there in the 90s or earlier wouldn't recognize it today. Cold. Lifeless. Scared. It's the North Korea of academia today. Lifeless drones marching off to Sand Hill. Pathetic.

MIT is alright. They're not messing around. They actually require tests scores. Your legacy or family name doesn't matter. Good stuff. But it's a really difficult place for a lot of students. Not a MIT student. But used to socialize. It's not a wonderful campus. And you can feel the pressure. When an MIT student chooses to party, they are unleashing a lot of pressure. Not healthy, but in fairness the MIT students I knew were in fraternities.

So the point of this is that Northeastern is the best school. Obviously.

This has some fair points, but Harvard still tends to accept many academically-oriented legacies and athletes. There are many other schools where the less academic legacies and athletes end up but Harvard gets to pick who they want. Of course there are some knuckleheads but that's true of any school outside of MIT and Caltech. IMO right now it's H > PSM > Caltech Yale Duke Penn Columbia > Brown Chicago Northwestern Hopkins Williams Amherst Swarthmore Pomona

It should be M>=S>H>P>Y.

That other school in Cambridge, come on? Maybe a few departments but no way at the university-wide level.

You have no idea of what you're talking about. Harvard is overrated and filled with weak ALDC. MIT dominates Harvard for the "few" departments. It's actually much more than a few

I'm not as familiar with Harvard but MIT is arguably not even as good as Stanford in MIT's strongest departments and it isn't even very close in several others (most of the humanities and social sciences beyond Econ). MIT also doesn't have the breadth of Stanford and Harvard beyond undergrad, which limits it as an overall university.

What are you smoking? MIT ranks #1 in both US News and QS for most of the subjects in Science and Engineering, maybe even Economics. Myth debunked!

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Anonymous wrote:There's no doubt that HYPSM opens all the doors. The people doing all the hiring are of an older generation and might still believe there'a meritocracy going on. Times change.

But let's break it down. Yale has clearly lost the plot over the past twenty years. Invested nothing into engineering or computer science. Their business school is a certification program for rich foreigners. It's DEI Central. Yale students get very upset when a grown-up suggests they are responsible for their own Halloween costumes. And they will destroy anyone for any reason at all. Sounds pleasant.

Harvard is all in with the Jared Kushner model. Sprinkle a few talented kids to hide the absolute douchebaggery of most students. Everyone is connected. Country club school. Easy classes and easy grades. Mediocre. Rich kid school. As opposed to smart kid school.

I will pause here for a moment and say I have insomnia and I'm looking for distractions.

Princeton. They're trying. All those resources. Fantastic financial aid. Pretty good in STEM. The Eating Clubs are not great but I get how they're trying to keep traditions while modernizing. Princeton is rolling with things in a smart way. It's not for everyone. But I am pro-Princeton. If you can get in, go for it.

What the hell is wrong with Stanford? It used to be the cool school. We're a Stanford family. But anyone that went there in the 90s or earlier wouldn't recognize it today. Cold. Lifeless. Scared. It's the North Korea of academia today. Lifeless drones marching off to Sand Hill. Pathetic.

MIT is alright. They're not messing around. They actually require tests scores. Your legacy or family name doesn't matter. Good stuff. But it's a really difficult place for a lot of students. Not a MIT student. But used to socialize. It's not a wonderful campus. And you can feel the pressure. When an MIT student chooses to party, they are unleashing a lot of pressure. Not healthy, but in fairness the MIT students I knew were in fraternities.

So the point of this is that Northeastern is the best school. Obviously.

This has some fair points, but Harvard still tends to accept many academically-oriented legacies and athletes. There are many other schools where the less academic legacies and athletes end up but Harvard gets to pick who they want. Of course there are some knuckleheads but that's true of any school outside of MIT and Caltech. IMO right now it's H > PSM > Caltech Yale Duke Penn Columbia > Brown Chicago Northwestern Hopkins Williams Amherst Swarthmore Pomona

It should be M>=S>H>P>Y.

That other school in Cambridge, come on? Maybe a few departments but no way at the university-wide level.

You have no idea of what you're talking about. Harvard is overrated and filled with weak ALDC. MIT dominates Harvard for the "few" departments. It's actually much more than a few

In terms of yield rate, MIT is THE highest in the entire country at 85%, followed by Harvard and Stanford at 84%. All other schools are below 80%.
In terms head-to-head comparison for double admits, 64% would choose MIT over Harvard while only 36% would choose the other way around. It says it all.
https://www.parchment.com/c/college/tools/college-cross-admit-comparison.php?compare=Harvard+University&with=Massachusetts+Institute+of+Technology

You omitted that Stanford is slightly favored over MIT on Parchment (not fully significant, I know).
MIT is also 25% athletes versus 12% at Stanford (I'm too lazy to look up Harvard). Student athlete yield rates are very high at elite schools, so that probably accounts for at least the small difference between MIT and the other two yield wise.

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Anonymous wrote:There's no doubt that HYPSM opens all the doors. The people doing all the hiring are of an older generation and might still believe there'a meritocracy going on. Times change.

But let's break it down. Yale has clearly lost the plot over the past twenty years. Invested nothing into engineering or computer science. Their business school is a certification program for rich foreigners. It's DEI Central. Yale students get very upset when a grown-up suggests they are responsible for their own Halloween costumes. And they will destroy anyone for any reason at all. Sounds pleasant.

Harvard is all in with the Jared Kushner model. Sprinkle a few talented kids to hide the absolute douchebaggery of most students. Everyone is connected. Country club school. Easy classes and easy grades. Mediocre. Rich kid school. As opposed to smart kid school.

I will pause here for a moment and say I have insomnia and I'm looking for distractions.

Princeton. They're trying. All those resources. Fantastic financial aid. Pretty good in STEM. The Eating Clubs are not great but I get how they're trying to keep traditions while modernizing. Princeton is rolling with things in a smart way. It's not for everyone. But I am pro-Princeton. If you can get in, go for it.

What the hell is wrong with Stanford? It used to be the cool school. We're a Stanford family. But anyone that went there in the 90s or earlier wouldn't recognize it today. Cold. Lifeless. Scared. It's the North Korea of academia today. Lifeless drones marching off to Sand Hill. Pathetic.

MIT is alright. They're not messing around. They actually require tests scores. Your legacy or family name doesn't matter. Good stuff. But it's a really difficult place for a lot of students. Not a MIT student. But used to socialize. It's not a wonderful campus. And you can feel the pressure. When an MIT student chooses to party, they are unleashing a lot of pressure. Not healthy, but in fairness the MIT students I knew were in fraternities.

So the point of this is that Northeastern is the best school. Obviously.

This has some fair points, but Harvard still tends to accept many academically-oriented legacies and athletes. There are many other schools where the less academic legacies and athletes end up but Harvard gets to pick who they want. Of course there are some knuckleheads but that's true of any school outside of MIT and Caltech. IMO right now it's H > PSM > Caltech Yale Duke Penn Columbia > Brown Chicago Northwestern Hopkins Williams Amherst Swarthmore Pomona

It should be M>=S>H>P>Y.

That other school in Cambridge, come on? Maybe a few departments but no way at the university-wide level.

You have no idea of what you're talking about. Harvard is overrated and filled with weak ALDC. MIT dominates Harvard for the "few" departments. It's actually much more than a few

I'm not as familiar with Harvard but MIT is arguably not even as good as Stanford in MIT's strongest departments and it isn't even very close in several others (most of the humanities and social sciences beyond Econ). MIT also doesn't have the breadth of Stanford and Harvard beyond undergrad, which limits it as an overall university.

What are you smoking? MIT ranks #1 in both US News and QS for most of the subjects in Science and Engineering, maybe even Economics. Myth debunked!

You may not have understood that. I think pp was basically saying MIT is only at Stanford's level in Econ and STEM...

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Anonymous wrote:There's no doubt that HYPSM opens all the doors. The people doing all the hiring are of an older generation and might still believe there'a meritocracy going on. Times change.

But let's break it down. Yale has clearly lost the plot over the past twenty years. Invested nothing into engineering or computer science. Their business school is a certification program for rich foreigners. It's DEI Central. Yale students get very upset when a grown-up suggests they are responsible for their own Halloween costumes. And they will destroy anyone for any reason at all. Sounds pleasant.

Harvard is all in with the Jared Kushner model. Sprinkle a few talented kids to hide the absolute douchebaggery of most students. Everyone is connected. Country club school. Easy classes and easy grades. Mediocre. Rich kid school. As opposed to smart kid school.

I will pause here for a moment and say I have insomnia and I'm looking for distractions.

Princeton. They're trying. All those resources. Fantastic financial aid. Pretty good in STEM. The Eating Clubs are not great but I get how they're trying to keep traditions while modernizing. Princeton is rolling with things in a smart way. It's not for everyone. But I am pro-Princeton. If you can get in, go for it.

What the hell is wrong with Stanford? It used to be the cool school. We're a Stanford family. But anyone that went there in the 90s or earlier wouldn't recognize it today. Cold. Lifeless. Scared. It's the North Korea of academia today. Lifeless drones marching off to Sand Hill. Pathetic.

MIT is alright. They're not messing around. They actually require tests scores. Your legacy or family name doesn't matter. Good stuff. But it's a really difficult place for a lot of students. Not a MIT student. But used to socialize. It's not a wonderful campus. And you can feel the pressure. When an MIT student chooses to party, they are unleashing a lot of pressure. Not healthy, but in fairness the MIT students I knew were in fraternities.

So the point of this is that Northeastern is the best school. Obviously.

This has some fair points, but Harvard still tends to accept many academically-oriented legacies and athletes. There are many other schools where the less academic legacies and athletes end up but Harvard gets to pick who they want. Of course there are some knuckleheads but that's true of any school outside of MIT and Caltech. IMO right now it's H > PSM > Caltech Yale Duke Penn Columbia > Brown Chicago Northwestern Hopkins Williams Amherst Swarthmore Pomona

It should be M>=S>H>P>Y.

That other school in Cambridge, come on? Maybe a few departments but no way at the university-wide level.

You have no idea of what you're talking about. Harvard is overrated and filled with weak ALDC. MIT dominates Harvard for the "few" departments. It's actually much more than a few

In terms of yield rate, MIT is THE highest in the entire country at 85%, followed by Harvard and Stanford at 84%. All other schools are below 80%.
In terms head-to-head comparison for double admits, 64% would choose MIT over Harvard while only 36% would choose the other way around. It says it all.
https://www.parchment.com/c/college/tools/college-cross-admit-comparison.php?compare=Harvard+University&with=Massachusetts+Institute+of+Technology

You omitted that Stanford is slightly favored over MIT on Parchment (not fully significant, I know).
MIT is also 25% athletes versus 12% at Stanford (I'm too lazy to look up Harvard). Student athlete yield rates are very high at elite schools, so that probably accounts for at least the small difference between MIT and the other two yield wise.

That's misleading. It actually says 25% of MIT students participate in varsity sports, which is very different from 25% of the admits are recruited as student athletes.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s Harvard or bust. No other college matters. They are all Harvard rejects.

+1. If people have to go further, it is H > MIT=S > P=Y.

S >/= H > YPM

Only portions of MIT, Yale, and Princeton are equivalent to Stanford and Harvard.

Yale is a great school and wouldn't be the first in the HYPSM group to get dropped given its prestige and name recognition.
They have already stepped up a lot in STEM over the last few years. They are not Stanford or MIT but are now in the same league as Princeton.
Niche ranks Yale as a top 10 CS school and they are above Harvard and Princeton in CodeSignal's ranking based on student coding skill.

H > S and all other schools. The quality of the students is the most important factor for a university. Look at the cross admits data comparing schools, H is the best school, way better than S that is second. https://www.parchment.com/c/college/tools/college-cross-admit-comparison.php?compare=Harvard+University&with=Stanford+University

You do understand that the Parchment link you provided shows they DON'T have a difference in that Harvard Stanford matchup that is statistically significant at a 95% confidence level, right?

Did you see the lower bound of the 95% CI for H is higher than the point estimate for S? And similarly, the higher bound of the 95% CI for S is lower than the point estimate of H?

I'll give you that the limited Parchment data likely does support Harvard but it isn't a strong example to throw out something the site itself warns isn't statistically significant at a 95% confidence level. Note that the 95% confidence interval for Stanford also goes above 50% (and Harvard's goes below 50%).
I don't like personal attacks on these boards but that just isn't strong support at all of your H is "way better than" S

The more reasonable question is to compare the difference of the probabilities of choosing a school, not comparing choosing a school with 50%.

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There are very few walk-ons, even for D3 sports (MIT is mostly D3). A preferred walk-on who isn't getting help with admissions is still very likely to choose the school too. The big % difference in athletes within the student bodies is still likely enough impact yield numbers.
The 85% yield doesn't mean MIT is the "best" anyway but the yield difference can be explained some.
I'm not sure how legacy yields differ either but it could cut the other way since MIT obviously has legacies but doesn't give an admissions hook for them like the others.

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Stanford and Harvard are both amazing for undergrad and as overall universities. They are 1 and 1a in my book.

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Anonymous wrote:Stanford and Harvard are both amazing for undergrad and as overall universities. They are 1 and 1a in my book.

I think it is totally reasonable to go to Princeton, Dartmouth, or AWS over Harvard or Stanford though since there is such a focus on undergrads at those schools.
The biggest names like Harvard, Stanford, and Yale are still there for grad school.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not as familiar with Harvard but MIT is arguably not even as good as Stanford in MIT's strongest departments and it isn't even very close in several others (most of the humanities and social sciences beyond Econ). MIT also doesn't have the breadth of Stanford and Harvard beyond undergrad, which limits it as an overall university.

I think the stories about Jeffrey Epstein cast a lot of doubt on MIT.

Example: The MIT Media Lab looked cool from afar. But now it looks like a half-assed money laundering scheme.

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Anonymous wrote:Harvard's football team might even be on par with Stanford's this year. It is painful to see Stanford getting crushed by Colorado like this!

You obviously reacted a bit too early….

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Anonymous wrote:Stanford and Harvard are both amazing for undergrad and as overall universities. They are 1 and 1a in my book.

I think it is totally reasonable to go to Princeton, Dartmouth, or AWS over Harvard or Stanford though since there is such a focus on undergrads at those schools.
The biggest names like Harvard, Stanford, and Yale are still there for grad school.

For sure. Harvard and Stanford are the top schools because of their graduate and professional programs. When you are 18 years old, that doesn't matter. You're going to get a better education and a more interesting experience at schools that are really focused on undergraduates - Princeton, Dartmouth, Rice, Amherst, Williams, West Point, Naval Academy, Bowdoin. And then go to Harvard and Stanford for grad school.