Teacher shot at Newport News elementary school

[Anonymous]

I'm not sure if smoking pot makes her a "drug addict." She is a shitty parent and the fact that she was actively trying to have ANOTHER child when this one was strangling and shooting teachers is beyond belief.

She is judgment proof because she has few to no assets. Multiple generations of teen parents in family.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I hope this whole awful situation does one thing - that it shakes the tree to find out exactly WHO is responsible for violent students in the classroom. Is it the school admin? The government due to crappy laws? Or the parents (even if the kid doesn’t bring a gun to school - obviously this situation is even worse in that regard).

Everyone will point the finger at everyone else at first, but hopefully after this case we’ll have more clarity about what we need to do as a country to get order back into our schools and get the violent kids out.

It’s your local school administrators who have chosen to interpret federal laws in a whole new way. Allowing viciously violent kids to stay in your child’s classroom is a recent phenomenon. Parents certainly don’t have that power.

Now who exactly appoints the school administrators?

Actually I would place blame other places. There is a severe shortage of placements for violent kids and none that I know of for violent six year olds. The stay put laws and parental consent for services requirements give parents a lot of power and parents abuse power, which prevents schools from moving kids. And the IEP process that is unwaveringly bureaucratic takes too much time to develop a plan even when everyone is on the same page.

There are issues with schools not giving services and not developing and implementing IEPs. But when it comes to violent kids, it’s not typically the school that causes the problems. I would not necessarily say the same if we were discussing dyslexia or ADHD services. But violence is a different story.

My kid was extremely aggressive at 6. There was no doubt he needed residential treatment. However, I have private insurance. Places that take young children are funded by some sort of gov't funding--school district or medicaid. If you can get a Katie Becket waiver, you might be able to get medicaid. In MD, that waiting list is years long. Facilities don't take private insurance because then the length of treatment is determined by how long the insurance company is willing to pay; not by what the doctors say is necessary. Through his IEP I found out that MD is a state that (for the most part) will pay for education in an RTC but not the medical side--hence the need for medicaid. That is not true for all states though and I have heard of a few cases in MD where parents were able to get RTC fully covered. I don't know how they did it. I'll assume a very good attorney.

The only way to get him into the bed that he needed would be to do joint custody with the state. Agreeing to split parental responsibilities with the state is a whole new ballgame than agreeing to an IEP. I ended up driving him to Shephard Pratt every day for the help he needed. He bounced between PHP and inpatient. Let's be honest---most people in this country do not have that type of privilege--be it insurance that will pay, job flexibility, resources to cover other children when you can't be there, ability to pay for an atty, or even a facility that is remotely within commutable distance than can address mental health in young children.

I don't know what the answer is but there are too many hoops and barriers in place to let people who need help access that help.

[Anonymous]

Good. The mother of the child, is pleading guilty to the federal charges and faces up to 25 years in prison for those. She faces up to 6 years in prison for the state charges.

People who purchase guns should be held responsible when a minor accesses them. A person who owns a gun with minors in the household is absolutely responsible for ensuring that the guns stay out of the hands of the minors. So a person who allows a minor to access guns should be responsible for any consequences that occur due to that negligence. I hope she serves her terms consecutively.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-65822345

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:100% parent's fault? I'm pretty sure the school has some responsibility here.

Nope. Not in this case. The parent illegally acquired a gun, then negligently allowed the child to access the gun. The parent is fully responsible for this situation.

There may be other cases where the school was negligent, but not in this situation.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:100% parent's fault? I'm pretty sure the school has some responsibility here.

No they created the child and gun

So you don't think the teacher should be suing the school?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What does it mean that the parent is judgment proof. Because he’s a minor? I thought states were starting to go after parents of shooters… I’ve always heard that if a child is hurt on my trampoline I’m liable. But not in this case?

Being judgment proof means that you are poor enough that it's not worth anyone's time to sue you. Attorneys for personal injury cases work on contingency. Even assuming they win a huge verdict, how much do you think the mother actually has to take? On the other hand, if you are a professional and your kid does something, you likely have enough assets (or you have insurance) to make a lawsuit viable.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:100% parent's fault? I'm pretty sure the school has some responsibility here.

Nope. Not in this case. The parent illegally acquired a gun, then negligently allowed the child to access the gun. The parent is fully responsible for this situation.

There may be other cases where the school was negligent, but not in this situation.

The school administration was ALSO negligent for not properly searching him after a student and a teacher said he had a gun.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:100% parent's fault? I'm pretty sure the school has some responsibility here.

Nope. Not in this case. The parent illegally acquired a gun, then negligently allowed the child to access the gun. The parent is fully responsible for this situation.

There may be other cases where the school was negligent, but not in this situation.

The school administration was ALSO negligent for not properly searching him after a student and a teacher said he had a gun.

For sure.

And for having such a dangerous kid in a classroom with 6 year olds after he had strangled his K teacher. He was then put in a daycare for a year, not therapeutic intervention and moved to a new school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:100% parent's fault? I'm pretty sure the school has some responsibility here.

Nope. Not in this case. The parent illegally acquired a gun, then negligently allowed the child to access the gun. The parent is fully responsible for this situation.

There may be other cases where the school was negligent, but not in this situation.

Of course the school is negligent. The administration received a credible tip, multiple times, that someone had a gun on campus. No search of the child. No call to 911.

Stop being an apologist.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:100% parents fault, she was a drug user addict and got a gun illegally

What a terrible person

https://www.13newsnow.com/amp/article/news/local/mycity/newport-news/deja-taylor-newport-news-federal-charges/291-5a6e4dcf-726a-4b95-b789-bfbe58252e1f

This is infuriating. What a horribly irresponsible person. And on top of it, to try and get pregnant after being unable to handle the child you already have.

It doesn't excuse culpability of the school for their non-intervention (or really irresponsible "intervention"), but there were a series of failures.

It makes thing seem even more helpless as a teacher, when admins and parents are completely not on your side.

[Anonymous]

I must have missed the kindergarten strangling of his teacher. I think it's bizarre that the school required this kid's parent to attend school with him. How could that ever be enforced? What if mom had to work?

[Anonymous]

A general observation from years of working with families: When something isn’t going well with one child, the response is often to try to/have another. Sadly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A general observation from years of working with families: When something isn’t going well with one child, the response is often to try to/have another. Sadly.

I see the same thing at my school. I feel bad for the first kid or two. The pie isn't getting any bigger but each slice is getting smaller.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:100% parent's fault? I'm pretty sure the school has some responsibility here.

Nope. Not in this case. The parent illegally acquired a gun, then negligently allowed the child to access the gun. The parent is fully responsible for this situation.

There may be other cases where the school was negligent, but not in this situation.

Hard disagree. I’m a teacher if someone told me x has a gun in his pocket that kid would be searched or I would be taking a half day. My understanding is that staff asked and they didn’t search the pockets. The school has some culpability. Imagine it were a teenager and the principal was told Karla has a gun in her locker and it turned out the gun was in her purse. The school has the responsibility to thoroughly check.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I must have missed the kindergarten strangling of his teacher. I think it's bizarre that the school required this kid's parent to attend school with him. How could that ever be enforced? What if mom had to work?

School isn't daycare.
Did the mom have a job?