That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag

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Anonymous wrote:Guaranteed that once he leaves jail, sooner or later someone is going to beat the crap out of him. GOOD!!! Forget about violence doesn't solve anything or don't you lower yourself to their level. He needs to be taught a lesson big time.

What about the drunk antelope? When is she going to learn a lesson? Woke up in the hospital, felt embarrassed and decided to ruin his future. His name is smeared all over the media and she is remaining anonymous.

Some of the comments have been eye opening. Just out of curiosity PP and other PPs who are defending Brock or assigning equal blame on the victim, are you male or female?

Who has assigned "equal blame" on both Brock and the victim? Which posts?

Maybe not equal blame, but posts who mention that she (and women generally) played a role because of dress, intoxication, flirtation.... you get the picture.

She played a role. I'm sorry. She drank herself into oblivion, was kissing a 19 year old horny college guy and then left the party with him.

She was black out drunk (she did that to herself). she kissed this guy (her choice), she left the party with this guy that she did not know (her choice) presumably to go kiss him some more (why else would should leave with him).

She did not deserve to be sexually assaulted but there is some gray in this situation because IF she went behind that dumpster willingly and was fooling around willingly then she had opened the door to this guy touching her body in a sexual way. Did she protest? Did he ask permission? We don't know because she blacked out and passed out and has no memory of that night.

The info that got this guy convicted came from the Swedes. How long had she been passed out? 10 minutes or 10 seconds? We don't know.

We do know that whatever the Swedes saw alarmed them enough to get off of their bikes, chase and tackle this guy. The Swedes are the credible witnesses here and I have yet to see what their statements say. We have yet to see the police report. I feel terrible for this young woman - she has been through hell. But she absolutely did play a role in putting herself in that hellish situation because part of what made it so awful was the fact that she was passed out drunk and could not be a witness for herself. This isn't about blaming her for being sexually assaulted - that is her assailant's doing, this is about how she compounded the hellishness of it all by being passed out DRUNK and not knowing what exactly even happened to her.

When she woke up in that hospital she had know idea if she had been gang raped by drug addicts. She didn't know. That is scary.

You don't know that she drank herself to that level.... you don't know. find the video of her doing 20 shots, fine, but my bet is on him being given a sick bastard and preying on her to drink or spiking drinks... she did not do that. she was waiting for her sister.

I thought he was all over that party hitting on anything in a skirt - and getting rejected right and left. And then Emily Doe was too drunk to resist him so that's why she went off with him.

But now you're saying that this guy was spending the evening plying Emily Doe with spiked drinks? Interesting. Has any ever suggested that he got her drunk? Honestly I think that you are the first one to suggest this.

he was kicked out of a party the week before for doing it to women. he is a sick individual. not sure where I read that, but it will come out. he was kicked out of a campus frat party for being too aggressive and stalking a woman trying to get her to drink more and more, and he got kicked out before anything happened.

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Anonymous wrote:Guaranteed that once he leaves jail, sooner or later someone is going to beat the crap out of him. GOOD!!! Forget about violence doesn't solve anything or don't you lower yourself to their level. He needs to be taught a lesson big time.

What about the drunk antelope? When is she going to learn a lesson? Woke up in the hospital, felt embarrassed and decided to ruin his future. His name is smeared all over the media and she is remaining anonymous.

Some of the comments have been eye opening. Just out of curiosity PP and other PPs who are defending Brock or assigning equal blame on the victim, are you male or female?

Who has assigned "equal blame" on both Brock and the victim? Which posts?

Maybe not equal blame, but posts who mention that she (and women generally) played a role because of dress, intoxication, flirtation.... you get the picture.

She played a role. I'm sorry. She drank herself into oblivion, was kissing a 19 year old horny college guy and then left the party with him.

She was black out drunk (she did that to herself). she kissed this guy (her choice), she left the party with this guy that she did not know (her choice) presumably to go kiss him some more (why else would should leave with him).

She did not deserve to be sexually assaulted but there is some gray in this situation because IF she went behind that dumpster willingly and was fooling around willingly then she had opened the door to this guy touching her body in a sexual way. Did she protest? Did he ask permission? We don't know because she blacked out and passed out and has no memory of that night.

The info that got this guy convicted came from the Swedes. How long had she been passed out? 10 minutes or 10 seconds? We don't know.

We do know that whatever the Swedes saw alarmed them enough to get off of their bikes, chase and tackle this guy. The Swedes are the credible witnesses here and I have yet to see what their statements say. We have yet to see the police report. I feel terrible for this young woman - she has been through hell. But she absolutely did play a role in putting herself in that hellish situation because part of what made it so awful was the fact that she was passed out drunk and could not be a witness for herself. This isn't about blaming her for being sexually assaulted - that is her assailant's doing, this is about how she compounded the hellishness of it all by being passed out DRUNK and not knowing what exactly even happened to her.

When she woke up in that hospital she had know idea if she had been gang raped by drug addicts. She didn't know. That is scary.

She needed someone to walk her home. She called her boyfriend and he told her to go find her sister. She trusted the wrong guy.

So she chose the drunk party moron to walk her home? The guy who had been hitting on the other women at the party? I think she may have been mad at her boyfriend for not picking her up and decided wth might as well kiss this guy.

The jury didn't agree with you. Since they heard all of the evidence, I am going to go with them.

I agree with the jury's verdict. And I believe the Swedes saw something very wrong and disturbing happening that night - they got off their bikes, chased a man down and tackled him. Those guys saw something. That does not mean that Emily Doe did not get herself black out drunk to the point where she passed out behind a dumpster. And it does not mean that Emily Doe knows what happened to her or knows what this guy did or did not do to her. She found out by reading the newspaper...

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Anonymous wrote:The two Swedes have been identified, and spoken up a little bit.

I admit sometimes it's nauseating to realize how many awful, violent, angry, and abusive men there are (and their supporters - victim blamers and enablers like some commenters here, and Brock's dad). But it is nice to know there are still many good and decent men out there, like these two.

Jesus Fucking Christ. "supporters", "victim blamers", and "enablers"?! Enough with your ridiculous accusations. Have you always stretched the truth like this? You sound like a victim constantly looking for an abuser to blame. Go take your meds and call your therapist.

I am not PP, but I would point out that you are taking a classic play from the rapist and abuser playbook. Anytime a woman complains about rape or sexual harassment, abusers and rapists resort to a "a little bit slutty and a little bit nutty."

20:3r here. This isnot the first time a poster has accused others of being rape supporters, victim blamers and enablers. Some of us are getting a bit tired of it.

We're having a (sometimes heated) discussion. If you're trying to persuade people, especially undecided people, calling those with different viewpoints very bad names is not persuasive. FYI.

New poster. And calling someone a "victim" looking for someone to blame to take meds is also not persuasive. FYI.

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Anonymous wrote:Guaranteed that once he leaves jail, sooner or later someone is going to beat the crap out of him. GOOD!!! Forget about violence doesn't solve anything or don't you lower yourself to their level. He needs to be taught a lesson big time.

What about the drunk antelope? When is she going to learn a lesson? Woke up in the hospital, felt embarrassed and decided to ruin his future. His name is smeared all over the media and she is remaining anonymous.

Some of the comments have been eye opening. Just out of curiosity PP and other PPs who are defending Brock or assigning equal blame on the victim, are you male or female?

Who has assigned "equal blame" on both Brock and the victim? Which posts?

Maybe not equal blame, but posts who mention that she (and women generally) played a role because of dress, intoxication, flirtation.... you get the picture.

She played a role. I'm sorry. She drank herself into oblivion, was kissing a 19 year old horny college guy and then left the party with him.

She was black out drunk (she did that to herself). she kissed this guy (her choice), she left the party with this guy that she did not know (her choice) presumably to go kiss him some more (why else would should leave with him).

She did not deserve to be sexually assaulted but there is some gray in this situation because IF she went behind that dumpster willingly and was fooling around willingly then she had opened the door to this guy touching her body in a sexual way. Did she protest? Did he ask permission? We don't know because she blacked out and passed out and has no memory of that night.

The info that got this guy convicted came from the Swedes. How long had she been passed out? 10 minutes or 10 seconds? We don't know.

We do know that whatever the Swedes saw alarmed them enough to get off of their bikes, chase and tackle this guy. The Swedes are the credible witnesses here and I have yet to see what their statements say. We have yet to see the police report. I feel terrible for this young woman - she has been through hell. But she absolutely did play a role in putting herself in that hellish situation because part of what made it so awful was the fact that she was passed out drunk and could not be a witness for herself. This isn't about blaming her for being sexually assaulted - that is her assailant's doing, this is about how she compounded the hellishness of it all by being passed out DRUNK and not knowing what exactly even happened to her.

When she woke up in that hospital she had know idea if she had been gang raped by drug addicts. She didn't know. That is scary.

You don't know that she drank herself to that level.... you don't know. find the video of her doing 20 shots, fine, but my bet is on him being given a sick bastard and preying on her to drink or spiking drinks... she did not do that. she was waiting for her sister.

I thought he was all over that party hitting on anything in a skirt - and getting rejected right and left. And then Emily Doe was too drunk to resist him so that's why she went off with him.

But now you're saying that this guy was spending the evening plying Emily Doe with spiked drinks? Interesting. Has any ever suggested that he got her drunk? Honestly I think that you are the first one to suggest this.

he was kicked out of a party the week before for doing it to women. he is a sick individual. not sure where I read that, but it will come out. he was kicked out of a campus frat party for being too aggressive and stalking a woman trying to get her to drink more and more, and he got kicked out before anything happened.

Well that is definitely relevant information. If this guy has a pattern of this type of behavior that is important to know. That doesn't come across as a typical frat party moron at all.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe she did consent and was too drunk to remember. Maybe she hadn't passed out until they were in the middle of the act.

When your partner passes out, play time is over. Don't fuck unconscious people.

It's not hard. It's a very black letter rule.

How many times have you been in that situation? How long did it take you to realize your partner was passed out?

The Swedish guys could tell from 20 feet away.

It was very well lit behind that dumpster. Not a dark, secluded location.

One of the things that Turner was convicted of was "penetration with a foreign object." He shoved dirt and pine needles in her vagina. I am pretty sure that he was quite aware that she was unconscious.

"Foreign object" includes fingers.

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Anonymous wrote:The two Swedes have been identified, and spoken up a little bit.

I admit sometimes it's nauseating to realize how many awful, violent, angry, and abusive men there are (and their supporters - victim blamers and enablers like some commenters here, and Brock's dad). But it is nice to know there are still many good and decent men out there, like these two.

Jesus Fucking Christ. "supporters", "victim blamers", and "enablers"?! Enough with your ridiculous accusations. Have you always stretched the truth like this? You sound like a victim constantly looking for an abuser to blame. Go take your meds and call your therapist.

I am not PP, but I would point out that you are taking a classic play from the rapist and abuser playbook. Anytime a woman complains about rape or sexual harassment, abusers and rapists resort to a "a little bit slutty and a little bit nutty."

We're having a (sometimes heated) discussion. If you're trying to persuade people, especially undecided people, calling those with different viewpoints very bad names is not persuasive. FYI.

New poster. And calling someone a "victim" looking for someone to blame to take meds is also not persuasive. FYI.

Being told that you're "helping rapists" is also not persuasive. That accusation was made more than once this afternoon.

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Anonymous wrote:Guaranteed that once he leaves jail, sooner or later someone is going to beat the crap out of him. GOOD!!! Forget about violence doesn't solve anything or don't you lower yourself to their level. He needs to be taught a lesson big time.

What about the drunk antelope? When is she going to learn a lesson? Woke up in the hospital, felt embarrassed and decided to ruin his future. His name is smeared all over the media and she is remaining anonymous.

Some of the comments have been eye opening. Just out of curiosity PP and other PPs who are defending Brock or assigning equal blame on the victim, are you male or female?

Who has assigned "equal blame" on both Brock and the victim? Which posts?

Maybe not equal blame, but posts who mention that she (and women generally) played a role because of dress, intoxication, flirtation.... you get the picture.

She played a role. I'm sorry. She drank herself into oblivion, was kissing a 19 year old horny college guy and then left the party with him.

She was black out drunk (she did that to herself). she kissed this guy (her choice), she left the party with this guy that she did not know (her choice) presumably to go kiss him some more (why else would should leave with him).

She did not deserve to be sexually assaulted but there is some gray in this situation because IF she went behind that dumpster willingly and was fooling around willingly then she had opened the door to this guy touching her body in a sexual way. Did she protest? Did he ask permission? We don't know because she blacked out and passed out and has no memory of that night.

The info that got this guy convicted came from the Swedes. How long had she been passed out? 10 minutes or 10 seconds? We don't know.

We do know that whatever the Swedes saw alarmed them enough to get off of their bikes, chase and tackle this guy. The Swedes are the credible witnesses here and I have yet to see what their statements say. We have yet to see the police report. I feel terrible for this young woman - she has been through hell. But she absolutely did play a role in putting herself in that hellish situation because part of what made it so awful was the fact that she was passed out drunk and could not be a witness for herself. This isn't about blaming her for being sexually assaulted - that is her assailant's doing, this is about how she compounded the hellishness of it all by being passed out DRUNK and not knowing what exactly even happened to her.

When she woke up in that hospital she had know idea if she had been gang raped by drug addicts. She didn't know. That is scary.

You don't know that she drank herself to that level.... you don't know. find the video of her doing 20 shots, fine, but my bet is on him being given a sick bastard and preying on her to drink or spiking drinks... she did not do that. she was waiting for her sister.

I thought he was all over that party hitting on anything in a skirt - and getting rejected right and left. And then Emily Doe was too drunk to resist him so that's why she went off with him.

But now you're saying that this guy was spending the evening plying Emily Doe with spiked drinks? Interesting. Has any ever suggested that he got her drunk? Honestly I think that you are the first one to suggest this.

he was kicked out of a party the week before for doing it to women. he is a sick individual. not sure where I read that, but it will come out. he was kicked out of a campus frat party for being too aggressive and stalking a woman trying to get her to drink more and more, and he got kicked out before anything happened.

Well that is definitely relevant information. If this guy has a pattern of this type of behavior that is important to know. That doesn't come across as a typical frat party moron at all.

It is relevant, and hearsay. As is saying that others saw them together before they left. Relevant, and hearsay.

He was originally charged with regular old rape, but they dropped that charge, possibly because they knew it wouldn't stick.

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In fact, the accusation was "helping rapists rape."

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Anonymous wrote:Guaranteed that once he leaves jail, sooner or later someone is going to beat the crap out of him. GOOD!!! Forget about violence doesn't solve anything or don't you lower yourself to their level. He needs to be taught a lesson big time.

What about the drunk antelope? When is she going to learn a lesson? Woke up in the hospital, felt embarrassed and decided to ruin his future. His name is smeared all over the media and she is remaining anonymous.

Some of the comments have been eye opening. Just out of curiosity PP and other PPs who are defending Brock or assigning equal blame on the victim, are you male or female?

Who has assigned "equal blame" on both Brock and the victim? Which posts?

Maybe not equal blame, but posts who mention that she (and women generally) played a role because of dress, intoxication, flirtation.... you get the picture.

She played a role. I'm sorry. She drank herself into oblivion, was kissing a 19 year old horny college guy and then left the party with him.

She was black out drunk (she did that to herself). she kissed this guy (her choice), she left the party with this guy that she did not know (her choice) presumably to go kiss him some more (why else would should leave with him).

She did not deserve to be sexually assaulted but there is some gray in this situation because IF she went behind that dumpster willingly and was fooling around willingly then she had opened the door to this guy touching her body in a sexual way. Did she protest? Did he ask permission? We don't know because she blacked out and passed out and has no memory of that night.

The info that got this guy convicted came from the Swedes. How long had she been passed out? 10 minutes or 10 seconds? We don't know.

We do know that whatever the Swedes saw alarmed them enough to get off of their bikes, chase and tackle this guy. The Swedes are the credible witnesses here and I have yet to see what their statements say. We have yet to see the police report. I feel terrible for this young woman - she has been through hell. But she absolutely did play a role in putting herself in that hellish situation because part of what made it so awful was the fact that she was passed out drunk and could not be a witness for herself. This isn't about blaming her for being sexually assaulted - that is her assailant's doing, this is about how she compounded the hellishness of it all by being passed out DRUNK and not knowing what exactly even happened to her.

When she woke up in that hospital she had know idea if she had been gang raped by drug addicts. She didn't know. That is scary.

You don't know that she drank herself to that level.... you don't know. find the video of her doing 20 shots, fine, but my bet is on him being given a sick bastard and preying on her to drink or spiking drinks... she did not do that. she was waiting for her sister.

I thought he was all over that party hitting on anything in a skirt - and getting rejected right and left. And then Emily Doe was too drunk to resist him so that's why she went off with him.

But now you're saying that this guy was spending the evening plying Emily Doe with spiked drinks? Interesting. Has any ever suggested that he got her drunk? Honestly I think that you are the first one to suggest this.

he was kicked out of a party the week before for doing it to women. he is a sick individual. not sure where I read that, but it will come out. he was kicked out of a campus frat party for being too aggressive and stalking a woman trying to get her to drink more and more, and he got kicked out before anything happened.

Well that is definitely relevant information. If this guy has a pattern of this type of behavior that is important to know. That doesn't come across as a typical frat party moron at all.

It is relevant, and hearsay. As is saying that others saw them together before they left. Relevant, and hearsay.

He was originally charged with regular old rape, but they dropped that charge, possibly because they knew it wouldn't stick.

This is hearsay as well, but I read somewhere that he was socially awkward. Will add that I think he looks a bit that way in his pictures, too. Yes, I know some people will think that's ridiculous.

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Anonymous wrote:Guaranteed that once he leaves jail, sooner or later someone is going to beat the crap out of him. GOOD!!! Forget about violence doesn't solve anything or don't you lower yourself to their level. He needs to be taught a lesson big time.

What about the drunk antelope? When is she going to learn a lesson? Woke up in the hospital, felt embarrassed and decided to ruin his future. His name is smeared all over the media and she is remaining anonymous.

Some of the comments have been eye opening. Just out of curiosity PP and other PPs who are defending Brock or assigning equal blame on the victim, are you male or female?

Who has assigned "equal blame" on both Brock and the victim? Which posts?

Maybe not equal blame, but posts who mention that she (and women generally) played a role because of dress, intoxication, flirtation.... you get the picture.

She played a role. I'm sorry. She drank herself into oblivion, was kissing a 19 year old horny college guy and then left the party with him.

She was black out drunk (she did that to herself). she kissed this guy (her choice), she left the party with this guy that she did not know (her choice) presumably to go kiss him some more (why else would should leave with him).

She did not deserve to be sexually assaulted but there is some gray in this situation because IF she went behind that dumpster willingly and was fooling around willingly then she had opened the door to this guy touching her body in a sexual way. Did she protest? Did he ask permission? We don't know because she blacked out and passed out and has no memory of that night.

The info that got this guy convicted came from the Swedes. How long had she been passed out? 10 minutes or 10 seconds? We don't know.

We do know that whatever the Swedes saw alarmed them enough to get off of their bikes, chase and tackle this guy. The Swedes are the credible witnesses here and I have yet to see what their statements say. We have yet to see the police report. I feel terrible for this young woman - she has been through hell. But she absolutely did play a role in putting herself in that hellish situation because part of what made it so awful was the fact that she was passed out drunk and could not be a witness for herself. This isn't about blaming her for being sexually assaulted - that is her assailant's doing, this is about how she compounded the hellishness of it all by being passed out DRUNK and not knowing what exactly even happened to her.

When she woke up in that hospital she had know idea if she had been gang raped by drug addicts. She didn't know. That is scary.

You don't know that she drank herself to that level.... you don't know. find the video of her doing 20 shots, fine, but my bet is on him being given a sick bastard and preying on her to drink or spiking drinks... she did not do that. she was waiting for her sister.

I thought he was all over that party hitting on anything in a skirt - and getting rejected right and left. And then Emily Doe was too drunk to resist him so that's why she went off with him.

But now you're saying that this guy was spending the evening plying Emily Doe with spiked drinks? Interesting. Has any ever suggested that he got her drunk? Honestly I think that you are the first one to suggest this.

he was kicked out of a party the week before for doing it to women. he is a sick individual. not sure where I read that, but it will come out. he was kicked out of a campus frat party for being too aggressive and stalking a woman trying to get her to drink more and more, and he got kicked out before anything happened.

Well that is definitely relevant information. If this guy has a pattern of this type of behavior that is important to know. That doesn't come across as a typical frat party moron at all.

It is relevant, and hearsay. As is saying that others saw them together before they left. Relevant, and hearsay.

He was originally charged with regular old rape, but they dropped that charge, possibly because they knew it wouldn't stick.

I'm not a lawyer but how on earth is a pattern of behavior like that not admissible in court? It seems that witnesses could verify if this guy was aggressive against women at frat parties,stalking, hitting on them and trying to get them drunk to the point where he was kicked out of the parties. It takes some pretty blatant out of line behavior to get your arse kicked out of a drinking party. Is that gossip or did this guy really have a pattern of serious issues???

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Anonymous wrote:People want to find a way that the victim could have prevented the situation in order to reassure themselves it could never happen to them. Wishful thinking but it doesn't guarantee anyone's safety.

That's not entirely fair. I posted earlier saying there but for the grace of God. I have no assurance that this could not have happened to me; I behaved just like Emily Doe in my college years and even a few times in graduate school. At the time I was just embarrassed to have made a fool of myself; I was too clueless to realize how incredibly risky that behavior was. And so I damn sure want to teach my kids as best not to ever do anything like that - that binge drinking is not some harmless adolescent rite of passage.

Drilling basic self-protection measures into our kids isn't a fantasy. It will not keep them from all harm or prevent any possibility of rape or some other horrible crime. But it may decrease their odds of facing such a terrible situation as Emily Doe, or something even worse.

I think what has so many PP's dander up is the rather noxious focus on what Emily Doe could have differently. Seriously. Over and over and over: binge drinking is bad! Drinking is bad! And my favorite, completely irrelevant one: hookup culture is bad! So much focus on what the victim did or did not do, and so very little on the fact that this man, and many like him, feel entitled to a woman's body whether or not she wants to give it or can consent. There's very little focus on that. For some reason.

How is that irrelevant? If the hook up culture has guys having sex with a bunch of wasted girls that black out and can't remember a thing and tell him what a great time they had and they come back for more... how is that not relevant to the problem on college campuses. How is a guy to know when a girl is going to say, they didn't consent, when the same situation happened 20 times before and it was consent?

Perhaps we need to teach our sons to do a better job of recognizing and understanding what could happen. If a girl is THAT drunk, or if she says yes but then no and then yes again, or if she is on the verge of passing out, or she can't walk, or is slurring her speech so badly that you can't understand her - WALK AWAY. Exercise restraint, recognize that this is not how you want to be getting laid, understand the consequences. Just as we would tell our daughters not to get so drunk that they black out, or not to walk home alone, and exercise personal safety, we should also be teaching our sons not to take advantage of drunk girls or get so drunk that they don't recognize that the girl they are about to have sex with is also too drunk to know what's going on. You don't solve the "hookup culture" on college campuses by simply telling girls not to do certain things while excusing the behavior of the guys.

what if they guy is in the same condition as the girl?

I think we tell girls and boys... no drinking before you are 21, after 21 no drinking to the point you are drunk, no sleeping with people you are not dating.

Why do I get push back from that notion?

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Because the fact that he was drunk too has to be ignored for these women to be right. All their protests fall apart. If she was too drunk to know better, consent, etc, it stands to reason he could have been as well - in fact, his BAC level confirmed it. Only women are affected by alcohol, apparently.

Women want their alcohol, their hook ups AND the legal right to state rape, even when it's simply regret or they don't remember

She was passed out. Unconscious. Not awake.

If he was impaired, he still knew that what he was doing. He ran away when he got caught.

It's not the same thing at all.

You know he ran. So would many drunk people if they were threatened. You are assuming he knew she had passed out, and that he was deliberately attacking her because of that. Prove it using fact. You can't. You are assuming

It was already proven beyond a reasonable doubt to a jury. What proves it to me is that PASSERSBY could tell she was passed out. How could someone on top of her not know?

What if they were so impaired by alcohol or drugs that they didn't notice or didn't care.

PP, would you feel the same way about drunk muggers? Do you feel the same way about drunk drivers?

Until they make it illegal to have sex when your blood alcohol level is above a certain level, which by the way should apply to both men and women, there is always going to be gray areas where there may be miscommunication or misunderstanding. What is a drunk mugger?

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Anonymous wrote:Guaranteed that once he leaves jail, sooner or later someone is going to beat the crap out of him. GOOD!!! Forget about violence doesn't solve anything or don't you lower yourself to their level. He needs to be taught a lesson big time.

What about the drunk antelope? When is she going to learn a lesson? Woke up in the hospital, felt embarrassed and decided to ruin his future. His name is smeared all over the media and she is remaining anonymous.

Some of the comments have been eye opening. Just out of curiosity PP and other PPs who are defending Brock or assigning equal blame on the victim, are you male or female?

Female. It's not about fault. It's about facts. And I disagree with the jury - there is a lot of reasonable doubt here.

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Anonymous wrote:Guaranteed that once he leaves jail, sooner or later someone is going to beat the crap out of him. GOOD!!! Forget about violence doesn't solve anything or don't you lower yourself to their level. He needs to be taught a lesson big time.

What about the drunk antelope? When is she going to learn a lesson? Woke up in the hospital, felt embarrassed and decided to ruin his future. His name is smeared all over the media and she is remaining anonymous.

Some of the comments have been eye opening. Just out of curiosity PP and other PPs who are defending Brock or assigning equal blame on the victim, are you male or female?

Who has assigned "equal blame" on both Brock and the victim? Which posts?

Maybe not equal blame, but posts who mention that she (and women generally) played a role because of dress, intoxication, flirtation.... you get the picture.

She played a role. I'm sorry. She drank herself into oblivion, was kissing a 19 year old horny college guy and then left the party with him.

She was black out drunk (she did that to herself). she kissed this guy (her choice), she left the party with this guy that she did not know (her choice) presumably to go kiss him some more (why else would should leave with him).

She did not deserve to be sexually assaulted but there is some gray in this situation because IF she went behind that dumpster willingly and was fooling around willingly then she had opened the door to this guy touching her body in a sexual way. Did she protest? Did he ask permission? We don't know because she blacked out and passed out and has no memory of that night.

The info that got this guy convicted came from the Swedes. How long had she been passed out? 10 minutes or 10 seconds? We don't know.

We do know that whatever the Swedes saw alarmed them enough to get off of their bikes, chase and tackle this guy. The Swedes are the credible witnesses here and I have yet to see what their statements say. We have yet to see the police report. I feel terrible for this young woman - she has been through hell. But she absolutely did play a role in putting herself in that hellish situation because part of what made it so awful was the fact that she was passed out drunk and could not be a witness for herself. This isn't about blaming her for being sexually assaulted - that is her assailant's doing, this is about how she compounded the hellishness of it all by being passed out DRUNK and not knowing what exactly even happened to her.

When she woke up in that hospital she had know idea if she had been gang raped by drug addicts. She didn't know. That is scary.

You don't know that she drank herself to that level.... you don't know. find the video of her doing 20 shots, fine, but my bet is on him being given a sick bastard and preying on her to drink or spiking drinks... she did not do that. she was waiting for her sister.

I thought he was all over that party hitting on anything in a skirt - and getting rejected right and left. And then Emily Doe was too drunk to resist him so that's why she went off with him.

But now you're saying that this guy was spending the evening plying Emily Doe with spiked drinks? Interesting. Has any ever suggested that he got her drunk? Honestly I think that you are the first one to suggest this.

he was kicked out of a party the week before for doing it to women. he is a sick individual. not sure where I read that, but it will come out. he was kicked out of a campus frat party for being too aggressive and stalking a woman trying to get her to drink more and more, and he got kicked out before anything happened.

Well that is definitely relevant information. If this guy has a pattern of this type of behavior that is important to know. That doesn't come across as a typical frat party moron at all.

It is relevant, and hearsay. As is saying that others saw them together before they left. Relevant, and hearsay.

He was originally charged with regular old rape, but they dropped that charge, possibly because they knew it wouldn't stick.

I'm not a lawyer but how on earth is a pattern of behavior like that not admissible in court? It seems that witnesses could verify if this guy was aggressive against women at frat parties,stalking, hitting on them and trying to get them drunk to the point where he was kicked out of the parties. It takes some pretty blatant out of line behavior to get your arse kicked out of a drinking party. Is that gossip or did this guy really have a pattern of serious issues???

The previous poster is wrong that it is hearsay but likely correct that it is not admissible. Generally speaking, you can't present past actions in court to show that a defendant conformed with those actions on this particular occasion. The reason is that the jury will over-emphasize those facts relative to their probative value. (Consider, for example, if a jury would EVER acquit someone for murder if they heard that the person had murdered a different person before, which is only somewhat relevant to whether they murdered this particular person.) If the prosecution were allowed to bring up a previous rape attempt, they could basically get anyone who had ever attempted a rape convicted of any rape they wanted to. There are a lot of exceptions to this rule, but none that are obvious relevant here. The most likely way this could have come in at trial is as impeachment since this guy apparently testified and a good prosecutor would get him to say something that this information contradicts, making it admissible. This is one of the main reasons why it is very rare for defendants to testify on their own behalf. A lot of stuff that is otherwise inadmissible can come in.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe she did consent and was too drunk to remember. Maybe she hadn't passed out until they were in the middle of the act.

When your partner passes out, play time is over. Don't fuck unconscious people.

It's not hard. It's a very black letter rule.

How many times have you been in that situation? How long did it take you to realize your partner was passed out?

The Swedish guys could tell from 20 feet away.

It was very well lit behind that dumpster. Not a dark, secluded location.

One of the things that Turner was convicted of was "penetration with a foreign object." He shoved dirt and pine needles in her vagina. I am pretty sure that he was quite aware that she was unconscious.

The place were this all happened was filthy with dirt a pine needles. The victim described in her letter how she had pine needles in her hair and her clothes at the hospital. Did the guy purposely shove dirt/pine needles inside of her too or did that occur when he was fingering her? Ugh, this is just so gross. So dehumanizing...that poor girl .