That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag

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Anonymous wrote:We do people still care so much about Brock Turner? It reminds me of the Two Minutes Hate from 1984. OK, so he got a light sentence for something he did as a teenager, which was over eight years ago. Plenty of teenagers get light sentences for major crimes such as carjacking, and DAs are getting elected on a platform of lighter sentences.

Meanwhile, Turner was expelled from Stanford, is now a registered sex offender, and will never have anything resembling a career or a normal life given how thoroughly his name has been tarnished, and the judge who handed down the sentence was removed from the bench. Seems like a pretty good outcome.

The poster who is so focused on everyone’s duty to mitigate risk should love this post.

*Getting expelled from Stanford wasn’t a punishment for Turner’s crime. It was a risk mitigation measure because Stanford didn’t want the liability of allowing a known sex offender to be enrolled there.

*Turner wasn’t placed on the sex offender registry as a punishment for his crime. The entire point of the registry is risk mitigation by arming people with information so they can avoid unwitting contact with their neighborhood sex offender.

*Turner’s career prospects aren’t limited as punishment for his crime. Potential employers are simply mitigating liability by not hiring known sex offenders.

It’s too bad the judge didn’t sentence him to much actual punishment.

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Anonymous wrote:I just finished the book Know My Name by Chanel Miller, the woman who was raped by Brock Turner, and looked through this thread. Wow, some of the comments here were really eye-opening, and showed an extreme lack of knowledge of the case. Has anyone else read the book? If you thought she bore some culpability for what happened prior to the book being released, did your perspective change by what you learned?

I haven't read the book and think she has some culpability (a good bit of culpability) for what happened, given her history of drinking and having blackouts (and given her age).

Did the book change your perspective?

If you think it's open season to rape women who are passed out next to a dumpster, I doubt a book will change your mind.

Ah. So she doesn't admit to her own part.

Holy F. I hope this is a Russian bot trying to troll the internet and not a real person.

NP

Why assume bot? We live in a world where men do rape women who are blacked out. Whether or not they should is moot. They do. Therefore you should protect yourself and act accordingly. If you’re going to get drunk and pass out, you really shouldn’t be surprised if it happens.
You should act according to the world we actually live in, not the one you think we should live in.

No. No, it's not MOOT you idiot. That's the entirety of the point. It's THE POINT. Rapists shouldn't rape. That's it. That's all they have to do. NOT RAPE. Somehow, I see drunk people all the time. I don't rape them. IT'S NOT HARD. It's not a moot point. My god, who the F are you?

And robbers shouldn’t rob. And carjackers shouldn’t carjack. And arsonists shouldn’t start fires. And murderers shouldn’t murder.
How’s that fantasy world working out for you?

Do we have constant internet warriors or even judges saying you caused your own arson fire for something you did? Do we routinely see in the news what a person driving down the street did wrong to be carjacked? No.
Until we do, hmmmm. What could possibly be the difference here.

Personally I don’t GAF about what internet warriors say. I’m not that fragile. And I will continue to take precautions to mitigate the chances they any of these crimes happen to me. I’m impressed that you don’t have smoke alarms, or wear seatbelts, or feel comfortable getting blackout drunk anytime anywhere, or hanging out in a high crime area in the early morning hours. If that’s working for you, have at it. It doesn’t work for me. Different strokes for different folks I guess.

Smoke alarms don’t prevent arson. Seat belts don’t prevent car jacking. Staying sober doesn’t prevent rape.

Getting so drunk you lose consciousness is risky, but it’s not a crime. What Turner did was criminal.

Listen you obviously think people shouldn’t do anything to mitigate risk. Like I said, that’s fine for you. Have at it.
Staying sober doesn’t prevent rape. But it definitely mitigates the risk. Why you wouldn’t teach your daughters to mitigate the risk of rape is beyond me.

THEY SHOULDN"T HAVE TO MITIGATE THE RISK. Men should . . . . just not rape. Whether the woman is sober or blackout drunk.

But in this world they do. Are you being intentionally obtuse?
If you want to tell your daughter she shouldn’t have to mitigate the risk, then you do you. But because no matter how many times you screech MEN SHOULDN’T RAPE, they still will. Ignore that at your own peril.

Not one person is arguing that women should drink til they pass out. But one or two people are arguing that women who do drink til they pass out are partially to blame if they’re raped while unconscious. That’s really messed up. It’s wise to be cautious with your safety, but rape victims are not responsible for their rapists’ actions.

This rape victim isn't responsible for her rapist's actions but she is responsible for hers.

Right, so she’s responsible for being drunk and he’s responsible for raping her. What she did didn’t harm anyone else. What he did is a crime, a crime with a victim. He’s a criminal. That’s why we’re discussing his crime and the judge’s shockingly, unconscionably lax sentencing.

Nah, the judge made a good call on this one. But the judge got caught in the unhinged blow back, seen on this thread, defending the right of a woman to get blackout drunk and have sex with a boy, who had the bad luck to choose a woman who passed out before the end.

Brock Allen Turner sexually penetrated an unconscious person with a needle-covered pine tree branch. He’s a predator.

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Anonymous wrote:I just finished the book Know My Name by Chanel Miller, the woman who was raped by Brock Turner, and looked through this thread. Wow, some of the comments here were really eye-opening, and showed an extreme lack of knowledge of the case. Has anyone else read the book? If you thought she bore some culpability for what happened prior to the book being released, did your perspective change by what you learned?

I haven't read the book and think she has some culpability (a good bit of culpability) for what happened, given her history of drinking and having blackouts (and given her age).

Did the book change your perspective?

If you think it's open season to rape women who are passed out next to a dumpster, I doubt a book will change your mind.

Ah. So she doesn't admit to her own part.

Holy F. I hope this is a Russian bot trying to troll the internet and not a real person.

NP

Why assume bot? We live in a world where men do rape women who are blacked out. Whether or not they should is moot. They do. Therefore you should protect yourself and act accordingly. If you’re going to get drunk and pass out, you really shouldn’t be surprised if it happens.
You should act according to the world we actually live in, not the one you think we should live in.

No. No, it's not MOOT you idiot. That's the entirety of the point. It's THE POINT. Rapists shouldn't rape. That's it. That's all they have to do. NOT RAPE. Somehow, I see drunk people all the time. I don't rape them. IT'S NOT HARD. It's not a moot point. My god, who the F are you?

And robbers shouldn’t rob. And carjackers shouldn’t carjack. And arsonists shouldn’t start fires. And murderers shouldn’t murder.
How’s that fantasy world working out for you?

Do we have constant internet warriors or even judges saying you caused your own arson fire for something you did? Do we routinely see in the news what a person driving down the street did wrong to be carjacked? No.
Until we do, hmmmm. What could possibly be the difference here.

Personally I don’t GAF about what internet warriors say. I’m not that fragile. And I will continue to take precautions to mitigate the chances they any of these crimes happen to me. I’m impressed that you don’t have smoke alarms, or wear seatbelts, or feel comfortable getting blackout drunk anytime anywhere, or hanging out in a high crime area in the early morning hours. If that’s working for you, have at it. It doesn’t work for me. Different strokes for different folks I guess.

Smoke alarms don’t prevent arson. Seat belts don’t prevent car jacking. Staying sober doesn’t prevent rape.

Getting so drunk you lose consciousness is risky, but it’s not a crime. What Turner did was criminal.

Listen you obviously think people shouldn’t do anything to mitigate risk. Like I said, that’s fine for you. Have at it.
Staying sober doesn’t prevent rape. But it definitely mitigates the risk. Why you wouldn’t teach your daughters to mitigate the risk of rape is beyond me.

THEY SHOULDN"T HAVE TO MITIGATE THE RISK. Men should . . . . just not rape. Whether the woman is sober or blackout drunk.

But in this world they do. Are you being intentionally obtuse?
If you want to tell your daughter she shouldn’t have to mitigate the risk, then you do you. But because no matter how many times you screech MEN SHOULDN’T RAPE, they still will. Ignore that at your own peril.

Not one person is arguing that women should drink til they pass out. But one or two people are arguing that women who do drink til they pass out are partially to blame if they’re raped while unconscious. That’s really messed up. It’s wise to be cautious with your safety, but rape victims are not responsible for their rapists’ actions.

This rape victim isn't responsible for her rapist's actions but she is responsible for hers.

Right, so she’s responsible for being drunk and he’s responsible for raping her. What she did didn’t harm anyone else. What he did is a crime, a crime with a victim. He’s a criminal. That’s why we’re discussing his crime and the judge’s shockingly, unconscionably lax sentencing.

Nah, the judge made a good call on this one. But the judge got caught in the unhinged blow back, seen on this thread, defending the right of a woman to get blackout drunk and have sex with a boy, who had the bad luck to choose a woman who passed out before the end.

Brock Allen Turner sexually penetrated an unconscious person with a needle-covered pine tree branch. He’s a predator.

Nope. That didn't happen. Fake facts don't make Emily Doe feel better or win your argument on the Internet.

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Anonymous wrote:I just finished the book Know My Name by Chanel Miller, the woman who was raped by Brock Turner, and looked through this thread. Wow, some of the comments here were really eye-opening, and showed an extreme lack of knowledge of the case. Has anyone else read the book? If you thought she bore some culpability for what happened prior to the book being released, did your perspective change by what you learned?

I haven't read the book and think she has some culpability (a good bit of culpability) for what happened, given her history of drinking and having blackouts (and given her age).

Did the book change your perspective?

If you think it's open season to rape women who are passed out next to a dumpster, I doubt a book will change your mind.

Ah. So she doesn't admit to her own part.

Holy F. I hope this is a Russian bot trying to troll the internet and not a real person.

NP

Why assume bot? We live in a world where men do rape women who are blacked out. Whether or not they should is moot. They do. Therefore you should protect yourself and act accordingly. If you’re going to get drunk and pass out, you really shouldn’t be surprised if it happens.
You should act according to the world we actually live in, not the one you think we should live in.

No. No, it's not MOOT you idiot. That's the entirety of the point. It's THE POINT. Rapists shouldn't rape. That's it. That's all they have to do. NOT RAPE. Somehow, I see drunk people all the time. I don't rape them. IT'S NOT HARD. It's not a moot point. My god, who the F are you?

And robbers shouldn’t rob. And carjackers shouldn’t carjack. And arsonists shouldn’t start fires. And murderers shouldn’t murder.
How’s that fantasy world working out for you?

Do we have constant internet warriors or even judges saying you caused your own arson fire for something you did? Do we routinely see in the news what a person driving down the street did wrong to be carjacked? No.
Until we do, hmmmm. What could possibly be the difference here.

Personally I don’t GAF about what internet warriors say. I’m not that fragile. And I will continue to take precautions to mitigate the chances they any of these crimes happen to me. I’m impressed that you don’t have smoke alarms, or wear seatbelts, or feel comfortable getting blackout drunk anytime anywhere, or hanging out in a high crime area in the early morning hours. If that’s working for you, have at it. It doesn’t work for me. Different strokes for different folks I guess.

Smoke alarms don’t prevent arson. Seat belts don’t prevent car jacking. Staying sober doesn’t prevent rape.

Getting so drunk you lose consciousness is risky, but it’s not a crime. What Turner did was criminal.

Listen you obviously think people shouldn’t do anything to mitigate risk. Like I said, that’s fine for you. Have at it.
Staying sober doesn’t prevent rape. But it definitely mitigates the risk. Why you wouldn’t teach your daughters to mitigate the risk of rape is beyond me.

THEY SHOULDN"T HAVE TO MITIGATE THE RISK. Men should . . . . just not rape. Whether the woman is sober or blackout drunk.

But in this world they do. Are you being intentionally obtuse?
If you want to tell your daughter she shouldn’t have to mitigate the risk, then you do you. But because no matter how many times you screech MEN SHOULDN’T RAPE, they still will. Ignore that at your own peril.

Not one person is arguing that women should drink til they pass out. But one or two people are arguing that women who do drink til they pass out are partially to blame if they’re raped while unconscious. That’s really messed up. It’s wise to be cautious with your safety, but rape victims are not responsible for their rapists’ actions.

This rape victim isn't responsible for her rapist's actions but she is responsible for hers.

Right, so she’s responsible for being drunk and he’s responsible for raping her. What she did didn’t harm anyone else. What he did is a crime, a crime with a victim. He’s a criminal. That’s why we’re discussing his crime and the judge’s shockingly, unconscionably lax sentencing.

The only person responsible for a rape is the person who committed the rape. It doesn’t matter if the victim was drunk or wore sexy clothes or was deemed or assumed to be a “sl*t”- it is always, always the fault of the person who assaulted the victim, no one else.

It’s shocking that people don’t understand this. And very sad.

[Anonymous]

I’ve been a daily reader of dcum for 11 years.

This is the most shocking, horrifying thread I’ve ever read.

[Anonymous]

Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag.
Women should do what they can to lower their risk of being raped.
Both these things are true.