That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag
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Anonymous
I think we are talking past each other. I’m not passing judgment on any victim…ever. The rapist is 100% at fault. Full stop. I’m talking about girls/women (and presumably men) who haven’t been victimized. I’m suggesting it’s in their best interest to take steps to avoid or mitigate risk. Some people on this thread sound (imho) unhinged in their belief that nobody should have to take precautions and therefore they don’t… Some people also sound (imho) unhinged in their binary assessment that anyone who brings up the need to take precautions is a victim-blaming rape apologist. Fwiw, I’m a boy mom who is not only raising my boys to protect themselves from danger and be gentlemen around their partners, but also to avoid compromising situations. Drugs and alcohol create scenarios where lots of things can go wrong. Unhinged friends and acquaintances can also create scenarios that go sideways. |
Anonymous
But in this world they do. Are you being intentionally obtuse? If you want to tell your daughter she shouldn’t have to mitigate the risk, then you do you. But because no matter how many times you screech MEN SHOULDN’T RAPE, they still will. Ignore that at your own peril. |
Anonymous
The fact that you don't understand how your views go out into the world and shape the social collective viewpoint on rape and victims of rape is horrifying to me, and that doesn't make me fragile. That makes me angry that there are still people out here going to the mats on what victims should do and should't do, calling it MOOT to discuss the rapist because, oh well, he's going to do it anyway, nothing to do here, and you don't see how you contribute to the very victim blaming society that's in play here is disgusting. You. Are. The. Problem. And you're too dumb to see it. |
Anonymous
DP. No, PP is not the problem or dumb. She's the opposite. You can be as angry as you want on Emily Doe's behalf - that doesn't make her a hero and it doesn't make you right. It just means you're angry. |
Anonymous
He IS going to do it anyway. And you’re too dumb to see that. Must be nice in that no rape fantasy world of yours. Men have been racing for hundreds of years. And they will continue to do so. |
Anonymous
^raping |
Anonymous
Not one person is arguing that women should drink til they pass out. But one or two people are arguing that women who do drink til they pass out are partially to blame if they’re raped while unconscious. That’s really messed up. It’s wise to be cautious with your safety, but rape victims are not responsible for their rapists’ actions. |
Anonymous
She wasn't raped while passed out behind the dumpster, she went behind the dumpster with a guy and had sex with him until she passed out - then he didn't notice and stop, at which point it became rape. Before that, though, it was a hookup. |
Anonymous
This rape victim isn't responsible for her rapist's actions but she is responsible for hers. |
Anonymous
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There are a lot of reasons people, and especially women, shouldn't drink to such excess; blacking out and passing out in public, next to a dumpster, is extremely disturbing on so many levels.
Yes, you do increase the odds you will be the victim of crime or accident when you, a man or woman, pass out in public, but passing out face down next to a dumpster is on an entirely different level. I worked in campus security while in college, and far too often, and know from incident reports that students ended up dead as a result of too much drinking. After a hard night of partying, the student, often a female, goes home, passes out, and never wakes up. The university doesn't publicize it; at least they didn't when I was a student, but it happened more than once during my short time working as a safety ambassador. One of the least desirable locations to patrol was Fraternity/Sorority Row way too much alcohol and way too much criminal behavior. As part of working the row, we had to also patrol the train tracks that ran past the Row. And at least once a night on the weekend 1 or 2 students would lay down in the track bed and pass out, hot, freezing, cold, snow it didn't matter. They'd just lay down and take a nap. And their friends also probably drunk would just leave them there. Young adult brains aren't exactly fully developed, so something you'd never do, they do because well it makes for a good story. When that happened, we'd roll them off the tracks, freight trains don't run on a schedule, so they'd come through at all hours, and then call campus police. I also comforted a friend one night who'd been in a Frat house, had too much to drink, passed out, and came too as a guy was raping her in his room, she didn't want to call the police, so called a campus hotline first, and was told there wasn't much to be done, she was told classic case of "he said she said." I was really upset for her. And shocked by how casually the incident was pushed off. But what blew my mind was that the very next night, she called me from another Frat house, drunk, and near to passing out again, and asked me to come and get her. Of course, I did, but I also yelled at her because I was so angry that she'd do the very same thing the very next night. I let her know that her behavior was out of control, and frankly bizarre and not the actions of a mentally stable person, at that point, and that she needed to get help. I threatened to call her mother if she didn't. She didn't need hand-holding at that point she needed to get help for being an alcoholic. |
Anonymous
| They don't want to hear it, PP. Alcohol and alcoholism are someone else's problem. It's always someone else's problem. |
Anonymous
So you're right, let's do nothing but focus on the women victims then. Good plan. I'd rather have a no-rape fantasy than be an apathetic rape apologist, and that's exactly what you are when you excuse this behavior through deciding "so what, they're gonna rape no matter what, oh well!" You are literally excusing it through your emphasis on the victim's behavior. Yes, of course that makes me angry. |
Anonymous
Right, so she’s responsible for being drunk and he’s responsible for raping her. What she did didn’t harm anyone else. What he did is a crime, a crime with a victim. He’s a criminal. That’s why we’re discussing his crime and the judge’s shockingly, unconscionably lax sentencing. |
Anonymous
Nah, the judge made a good call on this one. But the judge got caught in the unhinged blow back, seen on this thread, defending the right of a woman to get blackout drunk and have sex with a boy, who had the bad luck to choose a woman who passed out before the end. |
Anonymous
The only person responsible for a rape is the person who committed the rape. It doesn’t matter if the victim was drunk or wore sexy clothes or was deemed or assumed to be a “sl*t”- it is always, always the fault of the person who assaulted the victim, no one else. It’s shocking that people don’t understand this. And very sad. |