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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Guaranteed that once he leaves jail, sooner or later someone is going to beat the crap out of him.  GOOD!!!  Forget about violence doesn't solve anything or don't you lower yourself to their level.  He needs to be taught a lesson big time.[/quote]

What about the drunk antelope? When is she going to learn a lesson? Woke up in the hospital, felt embarrassed and decided to ruin his future. His name is smeared all over the media and she is remaining anonymous. [/quote]

Some of the comments have been eye opening. Just out of curiosity PP and other PPs who are defending Brock or assigning equal blame on the victim, are you male or female? [/quote]

Who has assigned "equal blame" on both Brock and the victim? Which posts? [/quote]

Maybe not equal blame, but posts who mention that she (and women generally) played a role because of dress, intoxication, flirtation....  you get the picture.  [/quote]

She played a role.  I'm sorry.  She drank herself into oblivion, was kissing a 19 year old horny college guy and then left the party with him.

She was black out drunk (she did that to herself). she kissed this guy (her choice), she left the party with this guy that she did not know (her choice) presumably to go kiss him some more (why else would should leave with him).

She did not deserve to be sexually assaulted but there is some gray in this situation because IF she went behind that dumpster willingly and was fooling around willingly then she had opened the door to this guy touching her body in a sexual way.  Did she protest?  Did he ask permission?  We don't know because she blacked out and passed out and has no memory of that night.

The info that got this guy convicted came from the Swedes.  How long had she been passed out?  10 minutes or 10 seconds?  We don't know.

We do know that whatever the Swedes saw alarmed them enough to get off of their bikes, chase and tackle this guy.  The Swedes are the credible witnesses here and I have yet to see what their statements say.  We have yet to see the police report.  I feel terrible for this young woman - she has been through hell.  But she absolutely did play a role in putting herself in that hellish situation because part of what made it so awful was the fact that she was passed out drunk and could not be a witness for herself.  This isn't about blaming her for being sexually assaulted - that is her assailant's doing, this is about how she compounded the hellishness of it all by being passed out DRUNK and not knowing what exactly even happened to her.

When she woke up in that hospital she had know idea if she had been gang raped by drug addicts.  She didn't know.  That is scary.

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You don't know that she drank herself to that level.... you don't know. find the video of her doing 20 shots, fine, but my bet is on him being given a sick bastard and preying on her to drink or spiking drinks... she did not do that. she was waiting for her sister. [/quote]

I thought he was all over that party hitting on anything in a skirt - and getting rejected right and left.  And then Emily Doe was too drunk to resist him so that's why she went off with him.

But now you're saying that this guy was spending the evening plying Emily Doe with spiked drinks?  Interesting.  Has any ever suggested that he got her drunk?  Honestly I think that you are the first one to suggest this.  [/quote]

he was kicked out of a party the week before for doing it to women. he is a sick individual. not sure where I read that, but it will come out. he was kicked out of a campus frat party for being too aggressive and stalking a woman trying to get her to drink more and more, and he got kicked out before anything happened. [/quote]

Well that is definitely relevant information.  If this guy has a pattern of this type of behavior that is important to know.  That doesn't come across as a typical frat party moron at all.[/quote]

It is relevant, and hearsay.  As is saying that others saw them together before they left.  Relevant, and hearsay.

He was originally charged with regular old rape, but they dropped that charge, possibly because they knew it wouldn't stick.[/quote]

I'm not a lawyer but how on earth is a pattern of behavior like that not admissible in court?  It seems that witnesses could verify if this guy was aggressive against women at frat parties,stalking,  hitting on them and trying to get them drunk to the point where he was kicked out of the parties.  It takes some pretty blatant out of line behavior to get your arse kicked out of a drinking party. Is that gossip or did this guy really have a pattern of serious issues???[/quote]

The previous poster is wrong that it is hearsay but likely correct that it is not admissible. Generally speaking, you can't present past actions in court to show that a defendant conformed with those actions on this particular occasion. The reason is that the jury will over-emphasize those facts relative to their probative value. (Consider, for example, if a jury would EVER acquit someone for murder if they heard that the person had murdered a different person before, which is only somewhat relevant to whether they murdered this particular person.) If the prosecution were allowed to bring up a previous rape attempt, they could basically get anyone who had ever attempted a rape convicted of any rape they wanted to. There are a lot of exceptions to this rule, but none that are obvious relevant here. The most likely way this could have come in at trial is as impeachment since this guy apparently testified and a good prosecutor would get him to say something that this information contradicts, making it admissible. This is one of the main reasons why it is very rare for defendants to testify on their own behalf. A lot of stuff that is otherwise inadmissible can come in.[/quote]

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