I am this person: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/868490.page so you can see I'm already a basket case with bad judgement and likely a pushover.
Divorced (it was a mistake on my part in hindsight) and kids went back and forth between houses for a while. Ex had some difficulty with that that and it reared its ugly head a few times, and consciously or not engaged in some alienating behavior which was damaging. Kids seemed to be OK but had a harder time adjusting to my house - obviously, because the rules were different and new and step siblings were present. Some rules were not observed, there was sulking, behavioral issues, etc. Some information leaking to mom which was damaging to me...I tend to think it was innocent most of the time, but maybe not. Child 1 had a mental health crisis a couple years ago while at my place and ended up back at her mom's, where she stayed. Current wife discouraged her return saying it would cause drama, injure my mental/physical health (which are admittedly fragile) etc. So we ended up visiting once in a while but that petered out after she did something typically teen and foolish and her mom and I had a big blowout about it. My wife discouraged further visits and I have not seen her in 1.5 years except in passing in the car ![]() Child 2 also had depression issues but stayed it out longer. Her grades were declining and I punished her (I took something away, which had been by mutual agreement a few weeks before). In a rage she left and blamed me for a lot of things. Never came back. Have not seen her except in passing in a store or in the car for almost 1.5 years. She, however, made a greater effort to communicate and stay in touch after. The upshot is that in 1.5 - 2 years I have had almost no contact with my kids and my wife thinks it should stay that way. She thinks they are troubled, are spies for mom, and that the emotional impact will damage my fragile health. She thinks they need time away for "God to work through them" and get them straightened out. She's very persuasive but I'm increasingly feeling manipulated. They both reached out repeatedly in various ways to communicate with me, see me, in one case discussing coming back on a limited basis, etc. That has, of course, basically stopped because I am always persuaded to respond in a limited way without encouraging them. I mean, even if they tried to kill me in my sleep they're my kids. I miss them. I have missed two incredibly formative years in their lives. We used to be INCREDIBLY close. Like I was super dad. And then the divorce from left field, and contact went to basically nothing. I feel like an abject failure of a man for what I have allowed to happen. I want to keep reaching out to them (even by email to start) and wife basically melts down at the idea of it. She quotes the Bible at me about a man and a wife being one, I made a vow, etc. and has consistently managed to foil my impulses to and efforts to reach out except in the most de minimis way. //She flatly refuses to consider me reaching out to meet in person or to have a full conversation until both kids have some realization that their behavior was wrong and disrespectful and they acknowledge it to me.// My view is, divorce is hard, they're kids, it's not their fault, and I should overlook 90% of the behavior as being a result of the divorce stress, their mother's stress/anguish/anger, my errors, etc. To the extent they are "blameworthy" they are human beings and we make mistakes. Yes, the drama caused me problems with my health. Yes, it caused me problems in court. But dammit they are my kids and I desperately miss them. Perspective please |
Why are you married to this woman? |
Request family therapy for just yourself and the kids. You can do this request via the courts if your XW will not agree. Do not request a change in visitation. You are not there yet. |
May I ask, why are you seeking advice here instead of talking to a family counselor? |
Also wife #2 persuaded me to throw out all the photos of me and the ex and the kids. I took the position it was their history and they were entitled to have it. Lost that one and was persuaded to toss it all.
That was agonizing. |
+ 1000 This is so unfair to your kids. Get brave and let her be upset. Better her upset than losing your relationship with your kids!!! |
Visitation (custody) is not possible or desirable for reasons, but I'm being talked out of stuff like meeting them in the park for a chat or going for a drive or having lunch. I cannot emphasize enough how involved I used to me in their lives. I feel like a monster the more I think about this. |
Omg is this real? She sounds like a Disney villain. |
What do you want us to tell you? That you're a bad father who abandoned his kids to please his wife? You already know this. "My wife is manipulative, she persuaded me, she told me, blah blah blah". Is nothing every your fault? You allowed it to happen and are allowing it to continue. Stop blaming it on your wife. Own it. Now what? |
What?!? Why did you marry this awful woman?! |
Perspective: it’s not too late. Divorce this woman and reach out to your kids. |
Example: kid 2 dropped off a note in my mailbox. That resulted in a 30 minute fight about her daring to break federal law, invade our privacy by seeing our mail, and violating a request that she not come by the house. So I duly sent a message thanking her for the note but reminding her to please not come by unannounced.
Then a few weeks later kids dropped off flowers and a note for my birthday and wife wigged out, against for "violating" our privacy, refusing to honor the request not to come by unannounced, etc. Meanwhile I broke down in tears at the idea that they brought me flowers after everything that happened. |
Wow, reach out to your children and put your time and attention into mending your relationships with them. Even though it will take a lot of time, it will mean a lot to them. Don't let your wife talk you out of it. She's probably right that it will create drama and that they are spies for their mom. Still, they are your kids. Meet them out of the house if you have to, but let them know how strongly sorry you are about the way things have gone. |
I'm seeking perspective - desperately. I'm essentially a shut-in and have no one to talk to about these things but am starting to feel like I made a GIANT error. It's just so confusing because while all this is happening she'll spend hours researching how to support my health and figuring out protocols to keep me going. In that sense she is incredibly caring and supportive and she knew I had issues when we met. |
Your wife is insane! |