Trump Threatens to Shutdown Government if No $ for his Border Wall

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Anonymous wrote:F*ck this idiot. Impeach the president, please. https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1078638249562775552

Well, that money can now be sent to Mexico, as they will most likely need it.

The US gave Honduras $181m last year - not in liquid assets (to prevent theft) but in the form of training and resources. Clearly, this help hasn't done any good, as the poorest of the poor are trying to leave. So we either readjust our priorities and use the support for the poorest in those countries, or we cut the aid and use it for our own poor.

I prefer the latter.



https://www.gazettextra.com/news/nation_world/another-bigger-migrant-caravan-is-set-to-leave-from-honduras/article_12ec7e25-5e2f-5151-b35d-f05f4293d825.html
Another, bigger migrant caravan is set to leave from Honduras next month

Garrido said this new, larger caravan will probably be joined by more people in El Salvador and in Guatemala, but she said they don’t plan on coming straight to the Tijuana-San Diego border, where resources are already stretched nearly to a breaking point.

“They will stay in the south of Mexico in Chiapas and Oaxaca. Their aim is to request work there,” she said.

Short sighted trumpian logic with no concept of American soft power or Pax Americana. International relations is all zero sum transactional relations with you people. Oh well, it was nice when America lauded its intellectuals instead of hoisting its simpletons to the upper echelons of governance in furtherance of a kakistocracy.

Pax Americana is synonymous with Big Brother. If you can't see how our ego got in the way as we continued to "assist" the world, then you're too far gone. the more you give the more dependent people become. If that's your idea of a peaceful measure, then good for you.

I don't believe in enabling.

And certainly you can't blame all of this on Trump. I didn't vote for him, but he's here and he's a symptom of people's frustrations rising to the top. So instead of caring for our poor taxpayers, we continue to control through international "aid."

I fail to see how anyone BUT the rich benefits.

That’s literally how America rose to prominence. We give aid to other countries then dictate the terms of the money. We lose our soft and hard power by not doing that. We lose our, as you would call it, “American exceptionalism”. Then again, you’re probably a Russian paid spammer looking to ensure America’s role in the world recedes.

America rose to prominence because of free markets and abundance of natural resources.

We were ahead of everyone in tech in 80’s when the 1990 immigration visas did not exist.

Immigration of guest workers has had a negative impact on our growth while giving more profits to the elite. Robber barons are alive and well in zuckerberg

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Trump is saying he'll close the entire southern boarder until a deal is reached. This sounds like a temper tantrum.

The inmate is running the asylum.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:F*ck this idiot. Impeach the president, please. https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1078638249562775552

Well, that money can now be sent to Mexico, as they will most likely need it.

The US gave Honduras $181m last year - not in liquid assets (to prevent theft) but in the form of training and resources. Clearly, this help hasn't done any good, as the poorest of the poor are trying to leave. So we either readjust our priorities and use the support for the poorest in those countries, or we cut the aid and use it for our own poor.

I prefer the latter.



https://www.gazettextra.com/news/nation_world/another-bigger-migrant-caravan-is-set-to-leave-from-honduras/article_12ec7e25-5e2f-5151-b35d-f05f4293d825.html
Another, bigger migrant caravan is set to leave from Honduras next month

Garrido said this new, larger caravan will probably be joined by more people in El Salvador and in Guatemala, but she said they don’t plan on coming straight to the Tijuana-San Diego border, where resources are already stretched nearly to a breaking point.

“They will stay in the south of Mexico in Chiapas and Oaxaca. Their aim is to request work there,” she said.

Short sighted trumpian logic with no concept of American soft power or Pax Americana. International relations is all zero sum transactional relations with you people. Oh well, it was nice when America lauded its intellectuals instead of hoisting its simpletons to the upper echelons of governance in furtherance of a kakistocracy.

Pax Americana is synonymous with Big Brother. If you can't see how our ego got in the way as we continued to "assist" the world, then you're too far gone. the more you give the more dependent people become. If that's your idea of a peaceful measure, then good for you.

I don't believe in enabling.

And certainly you can't blame all of this on Trump. I didn't vote for him, but he's here and he's a symptom of people's frustrations rising to the top. So instead of caring for our poor taxpayers, we continue to control through international "aid."

I fail to see how anyone BUT the rich benefits.

That’s literally how America rose to prominence. We give aid to other countries then dictate the terms of the money. We lose our soft and hard power by not doing that. We lose our, as you would call it, “American exceptionalism”. Then again, you’re probably a Russian paid spammer looking to ensure America’s role in the world recedes.

America rose to prominence because of free markets and abundance of natural resources.

We were ahead of everyone in tech in 80’s when the 1990 immigration visas did not exist.

Immigration of guest workers has had a negative impact on our growth while giving more profits to the elite. Robber barons are alive and well in zuckerberg

Haha. And you say you are only against ILLEGAL immigration.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:F*ck this idiot. Impeach the president, please. https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1078638249562775552

Well, that money can now be sent to Mexico, as they will most likely need it.

The US gave Honduras $181m last year - not in liquid assets (to prevent theft) but in the form of training and resources. Clearly, this help hasn't done any good, as the poorest of the poor are trying to leave. So we either readjust our priorities and use the support for the poorest in those countries, or we cut the aid and use it for our own poor.

I prefer the latter.



https://www.gazettextra.com/news/nation_world/another-bigger-migrant-caravan-is-set-to-leave-from-honduras/article_12ec7e25-5e2f-5151-b35d-f05f4293d825.html
Another, bigger migrant caravan is set to leave from Honduras next month

Garrido said this new, larger caravan will probably be joined by more people in El Salvador and in Guatemala, but she said they don’t plan on coming straight to the Tijuana-San Diego border, where resources are already stretched nearly to a breaking point.

“They will stay in the south of Mexico in Chiapas and Oaxaca. Their aim is to request work there,” she said.

Short sighted trumpian logic with no concept of American soft power or Pax Americana. International relations is all zero sum transactional relations with you people. Oh well, it was nice when America lauded its intellectuals instead of hoisting its simpletons to the upper echelons of governance in furtherance of a kakistocracy.

Pax Americana is synonymous with Big Brother. If you can't see how our ego got in the way as we continued to "assist" the world, then you're too far gone. the more you give the more dependent people become. If that's your idea of a peaceful measure, then good for you.

I don't believe in enabling.

And certainly you can't blame all of this on Trump. I didn't vote for him, but he's here and he's a symptom of people's frustrations rising to the top. So instead of caring for our poor taxpayers, we continue to control through international "aid."

I fail to see how anyone BUT the rich benefits.

That’s literally how America rose to prominence. We give aid to other countries then dictate the terms of the money. We lose our soft and hard power by not doing that. We lose our, as you would call it, “American exceptionalism”. Then again, you’re probably a Russian paid spammer looking to ensure America’s role in the world recedes.

America rose to prominence because of free markets and abundance of natural resources.

We were ahead of everyone in tech in 80’s when the 1990 immigration visas did not exist.

Immigration of guest workers has had a negative impact on our growth while giving more profits to the elite. Robber barons are alive and well in zuckerberg

Haha. And you say you are only against ILLEGAL immigration.

DP here.

Its not uncommon for people in the tech industry to have trained their replacements. If that is not an indicator that immigration needs reform I don't know what is.

You depress wages at the low and and the high end, surely that builds wealth for American workers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:F*ck this idiot. Impeach the president, please. https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1078638249562775552

Well, that money can now be sent to Mexico, as they will most likely need it.

The US gave Honduras $181m last year - not in liquid assets (to prevent theft) but in the form of training and resources. Clearly, this help hasn't done any good, as the poorest of the poor are trying to leave. So we either readjust our priorities and use the support for the poorest in those countries, or we cut the aid and use it for our own poor.

I prefer the latter.



https://www.gazettextra.com/news/nation_world/another-bigger-migrant-caravan-is-set-to-leave-from-honduras/article_12ec7e25-5e2f-5151-b35d-f05f4293d825.html
Another, bigger migrant caravan is set to leave from Honduras next month

Garrido said this new, larger caravan will probably be joined by more people in El Salvador and in Guatemala, but she said they don’t plan on coming straight to the Tijuana-San Diego border, where resources are already stretched nearly to a breaking point.

“They will stay in the south of Mexico in Chiapas and Oaxaca. Their aim is to request work there,” she said.

Short sighted trumpian logic with no concept of American soft power or Pax Americana. International relations is all zero sum transactional relations with you people. Oh well, it was nice when America lauded its intellectuals instead of hoisting its simpletons to the upper echelons of governance in furtherance of a kakistocracy.

Pax Americana is synonymous with Big Brother. If you can't see how our ego got in the way as we continued to "assist" the world, then you're too far gone. the more you give the more dependent people become. If that's your idea of a peaceful measure, then good for you.

I don't believe in enabling.

And certainly you can't blame all of this on Trump. I didn't vote for him, but he's here and he's a symptom of people's frustrations rising to the top. So instead of caring for our poor taxpayers, we continue to control through international "aid."

I fail to see how anyone BUT the rich benefits.

That’s literally how America rose to prominence. We give aid to other countries then dictate the terms of the money. We lose our soft and hard power by not doing that. We lose our, as you would call it, “American exceptionalism”. Then again, you’re probably a Russian paid spammer looking to ensure America’s role in the world recedes.

America rose to prominence because of free markets and abundance of natural resources.

We were ahead of everyone in tech in 80’s when the 1990 immigration visas did not exist.

Immigration of guest workers has had a negative impact on our growth while giving more profits to the elite. Robber barons are alive and well in zuckerberg

Haha. And you say you are only against ILLEGAL immigration.

DP here.

Its not uncommon for people in the tech industry to have trained their replacements. If that is not an indicator that immigration needs reform I don't know what is.

You depress wages at the low and and the high end, surely that builds wealth for American workers.

American is NOT graduating enough tech workers. I think the number of computer science majors in america is around 60,000, but the need is 400,000. We don't have enough. And no, immigrants are not preventing americans from majoring in computer science and other tech fields.

[Anonymous]

If we build it, they won't come.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If we build it, they won't come.

Spoken like a true simpleton.

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Anonymous wrote:Looks like the shutdown will be underway til mid January.

A large swath of the federal government is shut down — and so are negotiations to reopen it.

President Donald Trump’s standoff with Democratic leaders over the border wall dragged into a third day on Monday, with no hopes on either side of a Christmas deal to break the stalemate. It’s been 48 hours since the last real discussions between Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) and Vice President Mike Pence, and there's growing sentiment in the Capitol that the closure could drag on until mid-January.

Why is Trump acting like a child? No one wants this stupid wall.

From WaPo, here is latest polling on support for the wall:

A recent CNN poll showed that 61 percent of respondents oppose building a border wall without any funding from Mexico. Only 33 percent of respondents support such a plan, including 75 percent of Republicans, 32 percent of independents and just 4 percent of Democrats.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-claims-without-evidence-that-most-of-the-people-not-getting-paid-in-partial-government-shutdown-are-democrats/2018/12/27/afbc992a-09cc-11e9-88e3-989a3e456820_story.html?utm_term=.f370314027d5

Trump needs to stand down.

Does your poll indicate what percentage of residents in "border states" oppose or support a Wall? That would be a more significant data point since it's border state residents who have to deal with the brunt of illegal immigration that a Wall is designed to prevent.

I'm sure you know why D.C. and the surrounding suburbs are subject to such blatantly obvious de facto segregation, including actual physical walls in the wealthier areas.

According to the map below from https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/2053168016645830, border states like California and Arizona have the lowest levels of anti-immigrant sentiment. The highest are Arkansas, Utah, and Kentucky. I'm surprised by Ut, but Arkansas and Kentucky are very poor states reliant of federal monies.

I live in Phoenix: I’m not surprised since half of our population is from Central and South America and the other half moved here from California: if it wasn’t for the snowbirds spending money and paying taxes AZ would be a very different place. Our hospitals and social service agencies are bearing the brunt of illegal immigration. Meanwhile you limo liberals say we should take more. I say we load them on a bus and drop them off in the DMV. I agree with Trump, shut it down till it can be fixed.

You must have moved in from Michigan! The reason everything is crappy in AZ is because the GOP cuts taxes all the time! Taxes are what find services. You should move to Tucson, it’s much nicer than the hellhole in Phoenix. You aren’t an AZ native because you would know what the real problems are in AZ... and it isn’t undocumented people.

Only a beltway moron would consider low taxes to be a bad thing.

[Anonymous]

He had control of both houses from Day 1
Why didn’t he start building the wall as soon as he was inaugurated?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Looks like the shutdown will be underway til mid January.

A large swath of the federal government is shut down — and so are negotiations to reopen it.

President Donald Trump’s standoff with Democratic leaders over the border wall dragged into a third day on Monday, with no hopes on either side of a Christmas deal to break the stalemate. It’s been 48 hours since the last real discussions between Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) and Vice President Mike Pence, and there's growing sentiment in the Capitol that the closure could drag on until mid-January.

Why is Trump acting like a child? No one wants this stupid wall.

From WaPo, here is latest polling on support for the wall:

A recent CNN poll showed that 61 percent of respondents oppose building a border wall without any funding from Mexico. Only 33 percent of respondents support such a plan, including 75 percent of Republicans, 32 percent of independents and just 4 percent of Democrats.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-claims-without-evidence-that-most-of-the-people-not-getting-paid-in-partial-government-shutdown-are-democrats/2018/12/27/afbc992a-09cc-11e9-88e3-989a3e456820_story.html?utm_term=.f370314027d5

Trump needs to stand down.

Does your poll indicate what percentage of residents in "border states" oppose or support a Wall? That would be a more significant data point since it's border state residents who have to deal with the brunt of illegal immigration that a Wall is designed to prevent.

I'm sure you know why D.C. and the surrounding suburbs are subject to such blatantly obvious de facto segregation, including actual physical walls in the wealthier areas.

According to the map below from https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/2053168016645830, border states like California and Arizona have the lowest levels of anti-immigrant sentiment. The highest are Arkansas, Utah, and Kentucky. I'm surprised by Ut, but Arkansas and Kentucky are very poor states reliant of federal monies.

I live in Phoenix: I’m not surprised since half of our population is from Central and South America and the other half moved here from California: if it wasn’t for the snowbirds spending money and paying taxes AZ would be a very different place. Our hospitals and social service agencies are bearing the brunt of illegal immigration. Meanwhile you limo liberals say we should take more. I say we load them on a bus and drop them off in the DMV. I agree with Trump, shut it down till it can be fixed.

You must have moved in from Michigan! The reason everything is crappy in AZ is because the GOP cuts taxes all the time! Taxes are what find services. You should move to Tucson, it’s much nicer than the hellhole in Phoenix. You aren’t an AZ native because you would know what the real problems are in AZ... and it isn’t undocumented people.

Only a beltway moron would consider low taxes to be a bad thing.

Nothing in life is free, hon.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:He had control of both houses from Day 1
Why didn’t he start building the wall as soon as he was inaugurated?

BecUse he isn’t a good negotiator. He’s bad at his job. The only thing he got in his first two years was the tax cuts and that was only because Paul Ryan wanted it. He should have negotiated his wall funding into the tax cuts and got it passed in reconciliation if it was really that important to him. He’s bad at his job though so he didn’t do that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:He had control of both houses from Day 1
Why didn’t he start building the wall as soon as he was inaugurated?

The only question to be asked is why Mexico isn't paying for the wall.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:He had control of both houses from Day 1
Why didn’t he start building the wall as soon as he was inaugurated?

BecUse he isn’t a good negotiator. He’s bad at his job. The only thing he got in his first two years was the tax cuts and that was only because Paul Ryan wanted it. He should have negotiated his wall funding into the tax cuts and got it passed in reconciliation if it was really that important to him. He’s bad at his job though so he didn’t do that.

True but mostly the GOP also thinks the wall is a waste of money so they didn’t bother because their piproty was tax cuts for the rich.

[Anonymous]

When the government shutdown began a week ago, many federal workers were more irked than anxious.

They’re really anxious now. What at first seemed like ho-hum political brinkmanship is looking more like a prolonged, punishing shutdown, more akin to the 27-day funding lapse in 1995 and 1996 than the blink-and-miss-it shutdowns earlier this year.

“This one feels different,” said Celia Hahn, a Transportation Security Administration officer at Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport, who is working without pay and worried about her mortgage and her son’s orthodontic expenses. “If it were to go about two weeks, that’s when people would start panicking.”

Dena Ivey, a furloughed probate specialist in the Anchorage office of the Bureau of Indian Affairs, lost many of her possessions during the recent Alaska earthquake, and feels overwhelmed by the man-made disaster now afflicting her family.

“We’re sort of being held hostage in the middle, and we have families and obligations,” said Ms. Ivey, a single mother. “I don’t know if I’m going to be able to make rent.” She added: “I’m basically living on credit now.”

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:He had control of both houses from Day 1
Why didn’t he start building the wall as soon as he was inaugurated?

BecUse he isn’t a good negotiator. He’s bad at his job. The only thing he got in his first two years was the tax cuts and that was only because Paul Ryan wanted it. He should have negotiated his wall funding into the tax cuts and got it passed in reconciliation if it was really that important to him. He’s bad at his job though so he didn’t do that.

Well you and the rest of the left have miscalculated. You've demonized him so much, that Trump can stay with his position on the Wall now indefinitely. He has absolutely no reason to cave--after all, you've already put him in jail. So, he can just dig in his heels and we'll see who blinks first. Get me the popcorn.