Trump Threatens to Shutdown Government if No $ for his Border Wall

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Looks like the shutdown will be underway til mid January.

A large swath of the federal government is shut down — and so are negotiations to reopen it.

President Donald Trump’s standoff with Democratic leaders over the border wall dragged into a third day on Monday, with no hopes on either side of a Christmas deal to break the stalemate. It’s been 48 hours since the last real discussions between Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) and Vice President Mike Pence, and there's growing sentiment in the Capitol that the closure could drag on until mid-January.

Why is Trump acting like a child? No one wants this stupid wall.

From WaPo, here is latest polling on support for the wall:

A recent CNN poll showed that 61 percent of respondents oppose building a border wall without any funding from Mexico. Only 33 percent of respondents support such a plan, including 75 percent of Republicans, 32 percent of independents and just 4 percent of Democrats.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-claims-without-evidence-that-most-of-the-people-not-getting-paid-in-partial-government-shutdown-are-democrats/2018/12/27/afbc992a-09cc-11e9-88e3-989a3e456820_story.html?utm_term=.f370314027d5

Trump needs to stand down.

Does your poll indicate what percentage of residents in "border states" oppose or support a Wall? That would be a more significant data point since it's border state residents who have to deal with the brunt of illegal immigration that a Wall is designed to prevent.

I'm sure you know why D.C. and the surrounding suburbs are subject to such blatantly obvious de facto segregation, including actual physical walls in the wealthier areas.

According to the map below from https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/2053168016645830, border states like California and Arizona have the lowest levels of anti-immigrant sentiment. The highest are Arkansas, Utah, and Kentucky. I'm surprised by Ut, but Arkansas and Kentucky are very poor states reliant of federal monies.

I live in Phoenix: I’m not surprised since half of our population is from Central and South America and the other half moved here from California: if it wasn’t for the snowbirds spending money and paying taxes AZ would be a very different place. Our hospitals and social service agencies are bearing the brunt of illegal immigration. Meanwhile you limo liberals say we should take more. I say we load them on a bus and drop them off in the DMV. I agree with Trump, shut it down till it can be fixed.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Can't y'all just call Cliven Bundy and his boys to defend the border? It'd be a hell of a lot cheaper he'd probably do it for some chewing tobacco and a pair of clean socks.

another ignorant response

I won't assume you're a liberal, however, as I know lines can oftentimes be blurry.

Ignorant is ignorant. And while you may THINK you're being funny, you just look like a f-ing moron.

If you want to argue, use some research. If not, find a crowd of buffoons who enjoy your humor and take your show on the road.

Speaking of funny, THAT was hilarious.
I don't see jsteele stamped on your comment so I better take my show on the road or what?



Right - that's what I thought.

no

What's funny is your interpretation. I really think you should take your show on the road - Find your crew and do some stand up. There are plenty who think your crass humor is funny. side gig for now - until Ellen picks you up and makes you famous

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:F*ck this idiot. Impeach the president, please. https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1078638249562775552

Well, that money can now be sent to Mexico, as they will most likely need it.

The US gave Honduras $181m last year - not in liquid assets (to prevent theft) but in the form of training and resources. Clearly, this help hasn't done any good, as the poorest of the poor are trying to leave. So we either readjust our priorities and use the support for the poorest in those countries, or we cut the aid and use it for our own poor.

I prefer the latter.



https://www.gazettextra.com/news/nation_world/another-bigger-migrant-caravan-is-set-to-leave-from-honduras/article_12ec7e25-5e2f-5151-b35d-f05f4293d825.html
Another, bigger migrant caravan is set to leave from Honduras next month

Garrido said this new, larger caravan will probably be joined by more people in El Salvador and in Guatemala, but she said they don’t plan on coming straight to the Tijuana-San Diego border, where resources are already stretched nearly to a breaking point.

“They will stay in the south of Mexico in Chiapas and Oaxaca. Their aim is to request work there,” she said.

Short sighted trumpian logic with no concept of American soft power or Pax Americana. International relations is all zero sum transactional relations with you people. Oh well, it was nice when America lauded its intellectuals instead of hoisting its simpletons to the upper echelons of governance in furtherance of a kakistocracy.

Pax Americana is synonymous with Big Brother. If you can't see how our ego got in the way as we continued to "assist" the world, then you're too far gone. the more you give the more dependent people become. If that's your idea of a peaceful measure, then good for you.

I don't believe in enabling.

And certainly you can't blame all of this on Trump. I didn't vote for him, but he's here and he's a symptom of people's frustrations rising to the top. So instead of caring for our poor taxpayers, we continue to control through international "aid."

I fail to see how anyone BUT the rich benefits.

[Anonymous]

Keep shutdown going

The longer it goes unresolved the better it is for trump

Democrats are against all common sense immigration reform

No to e-verify
No to limits
No to enforcement
Yes to more visas

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can't y'all just call Cliven Bundy and his boys to defend the border? It'd be a hell of a lot cheaper he'd probably do it for some chewing tobacco and a pair of clean socks.

another ignorant response

I won't assume you're a liberal, however, as I know lines can oftentimes be blurry.

Ignorant is ignorant. And while you may THINK you're being funny, you just look like a f-ing moron.

If you want to argue, use some research. If not, find a crowd of buffoons who enjoy your humor and take your show on the road.

Speaking of funny, THAT was hilarious.
I don't see jsteele stamped on your comment so I better take my show on the road or what?



Right - that's what I thought.

no

What's funny is your interpretation. I really think you should take your show on the road - Find your crew and do some stand up. There are plenty who think your crass humor is funny. side gig for now - until Ellen picks you up and makes you famous

While you’re stalling trying to think of a way to make me take my comments elsewhere, see if you can explain how Trump intends to close the Southern border entirely.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:F*ck this idiot. Impeach the president, please. https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1078638249562775552

Well, that money can now be sent to Mexico, as they will most likely need it.

The US gave Honduras $181m last year - not in liquid assets (to prevent theft) but in the form of training and resources. Clearly, this help hasn't done any good, as the poorest of the poor are trying to leave. So we either readjust our priorities and use the support for the poorest in those countries, or we cut the aid and use it for our own poor.

I prefer the latter.



https://www.gazettextra.com/news/nation_world/another-bigger-migrant-caravan-is-set-to-leave-from-honduras/article_12ec7e25-5e2f-5151-b35d-f05f4293d825.html
Another, bigger migrant caravan is set to leave from Honduras next month

Garrido said this new, larger caravan will probably be joined by more people in El Salvador and in Guatemala, but she said they don’t plan on coming straight to the Tijuana-San Diego border, where resources are already stretched nearly to a breaking point.

“They will stay in the south of Mexico in Chiapas and Oaxaca. Their aim is to request work there,” she said.

Short sighted trumpian logic with no concept of American soft power or Pax Americana. International relations is all zero sum transactional relations with you people. Oh well, it was nice when America lauded its intellectuals instead of hoisting its simpletons to the upper echelons of governance in furtherance of a kakistocracy.

Pax Americana is synonymous with Big Brother. If you can't see how our ego got in the way as we continued to "assist" the world, then you're too far gone. the more you give the more dependent people become. If that's your idea of a peaceful measure, then good for you.

I don't believe in enabling.

And certainly you can't blame all of this on Trump. I didn't vote for him, but he's here and he's a symptom of people's frustrations rising to the top. So instead of caring for our poor taxpayers, we continue to control through international "aid."

I fail to see how anyone BUT the rich benefits.

You’re not a citizen of the US. You are literally sh*t-posting on every thread and you aren’t a voting eligible American citizen. Your posting style has tells you are too addled to obscure.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Looks like the shutdown will be underway til mid January.

A large swath of the federal government is shut down — and so are negotiations to reopen it.

President Donald Trump’s standoff with Democratic leaders over the border wall dragged into a third day on Monday, with no hopes on either side of a Christmas deal to break the stalemate. It’s been 48 hours since the last real discussions between Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) and Vice President Mike Pence, and there's growing sentiment in the Capitol that the closure could drag on until mid-January.

Why is Trump acting like a child? No one wants this stupid wall.

From WaPo, here is latest polling on support for the wall:

A recent CNN poll showed that 61 percent of respondents oppose building a border wall without any funding from Mexico. Only 33 percent of respondents support such a plan, including 75 percent of Republicans, 32 percent of independents and just 4 percent of Democrats.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-claims-without-evidence-that-most-of-the-people-not-getting-paid-in-partial-government-shutdown-are-democrats/2018/12/27/afbc992a-09cc-11e9-88e3-989a3e456820_story.html?utm_term=.f370314027d5

Trump needs to stand down.

Does your poll indicate what percentage of residents in "border states" oppose or support a Wall? That would be a more significant data point since it's border state residents who have to deal with the brunt of illegal immigration that a Wall is designed to prevent.

I'm sure you know why D.C. and the surrounding suburbs are subject to such blatantly obvious de facto segregation, including actual physical walls in the wealthier areas.

According to the map below from https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/2053168016645830, border states like California and Arizona have the lowest levels of anti-immigrant sentiment. The highest are Arkansas, Utah, and Kentucky. I'm surprised by Ut, but Arkansas and Kentucky are very poor states reliant of federal monies.

I live in Phoenix: I’m not surprised since half of our population is from Central and South America and the other half moved here from California: if it wasn’t for the snowbirds spending money and paying taxes AZ would be a very different place. Our hospitals and social service agencies are bearing the brunt of illegal immigration. Meanwhile you limo liberals say we should take more. I say we load them on a bus and drop them off in the DMV. I agree with Trump, shut it down till it can be fixed.

You must have moved in from Michigan! The reason everything is crappy in AZ is because the GOP cuts taxes all the time! Taxes are what find services. You should move to Tucson, it’s much nicer than the hellhole in Phoenix. You aren’t an AZ native because you would know what the real problems are in AZ... and it isn’t undocumented people.

[Anonymous]

Why would Trump trade $25 billion that Congress was offering for the $5 billion or nothing that he's now going to get? Is this the Art of the Deal?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Keep shutdown going

The longer it goes unresolved the better it is for trump

Democrats are against all common sense immigration reform

No to e-verify
No to limits
No to enforcement
Yes to more visas

So. Much. Projection.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Keep shutdown going

The longer it goes unresolved the better it is for trump

Democrats are against all common sense immigration reform

No to e-verify
No to limits
No to enforcement
Yes to more visas

um.. yea... ok. When will Rs learn that their enemy is not the Dems, but the rich GOP.

http://floridapolitics.com/archives/261107-billionaire-gop-donor-takes-shots-at-richard-corcoran-while-debuting-e-verify-research

GOP billionaire rainmaker Mike Fernandez stressed pro-immigration policies shouldn’t be marked by party lines — the fight against E-verify is supported by the Florida Chamber and nationally by conservative billionaires Charles and David Koch.

Google Hatch and I-Square act.

Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) plans to release legislation on Thursday that would expand high skilled immigration visas and allow the spouses and children of such visa holders to legally work in the U.S.

Trump uses H2Bs, and increased it by 15K in his first few months in office. Funny how he took that action as the most important thing to do in the first few months of office rather than come up with a viable alternative to ACA.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/7/20/16003254/trump-h2b-visa-program

Trump administration defied its “America First” rhetoric with a policy change that would make it easier for companies to hire guest workers from foreign countries. The Trump Organization is already poised to benefit from it.

On Monday, the Department of Homeland Security raised the cap on H-2B visas for foreign guest workers from 66,000 visas per year to 81,000.

[Anonymous]

Trump is saying he'll close the entire southern boarder until a deal is reached. This sounds like a temper tantrum.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:F*ck this idiot. Impeach the president, please. https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1078638249562775552

Well, that money can now be sent to Mexico, as they will most likely need it.

The US gave Honduras $181m last year - not in liquid assets (to prevent theft) but in the form of training and resources. Clearly, this help hasn't done any good, as the poorest of the poor are trying to leave. So we either readjust our priorities and use the support for the poorest in those countries, or we cut the aid and use it for our own poor.

I prefer the latter.



https://www.gazettextra.com/news/nation_world/another-bigger-migrant-caravan-is-set-to-leave-from-honduras/article_12ec7e25-5e2f-5151-b35d-f05f4293d825.html
Another, bigger migrant caravan is set to leave from Honduras next month

Garrido said this new, larger caravan will probably be joined by more people in El Salvador and in Guatemala, but she said they don’t plan on coming straight to the Tijuana-San Diego border, where resources are already stretched nearly to a breaking point.

“They will stay in the south of Mexico in Chiapas and Oaxaca. Their aim is to request work there,” she said.

Short sighted trumpian logic with no concept of American soft power or Pax Americana. International relations is all zero sum transactional relations with you people. Oh well, it was nice when America lauded its intellectuals instead of hoisting its simpletons to the upper echelons of governance in furtherance of a kakistocracy.

Pax Americana is synonymous with Big Brother. If you can't see how our ego got in the way as we continued to "assist" the world, then you're too far gone. the more you give the more dependent people become. If that's your idea of a peaceful measure, then good for you.

I don't believe in enabling.

And certainly you can't blame all of this on Trump. I didn't vote for him, but he's here and he's a symptom of people's frustrations rising to the top. So instead of caring for our poor taxpayers, we continue to control through international "aid."

I fail to see how anyone BUT the rich benefits.

That’s literally how America rose to prominence. We give aid to other countries then dictate the terms of the money. We lose our soft and hard power by not doing that. We lose our, as you would call it, “American exceptionalism”. Then again, you’re probably a Russian paid spammer looking to ensure America’s role in the world recedes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:F*ck this idiot. Impeach the president, please. https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1078638249562775552

Well, that money can now be sent to Mexico, as they will most likely need it.

The US gave Honduras $181m last year - not in liquid assets (to prevent theft) but in the form of training and resources. Clearly, this help hasn't done any good, as the poorest of the poor are trying to leave. So we either readjust our priorities and use the support for the poorest in those countries, or we cut the aid and use it for our own poor.

I prefer the latter.



https://www.gazettextra.com/news/nation_world/another-bigger-migrant-caravan-is-set-to-leave-from-honduras/article_12ec7e25-5e2f-5151-b35d-f05f4293d825.html
Another, bigger migrant caravan is set to leave from Honduras next month

Garrido said this new, larger caravan will probably be joined by more people in El Salvador and in Guatemala, but she said they don’t plan on coming straight to the Tijuana-San Diego border, where resources are already stretched nearly to a breaking point.

“They will stay in the south of Mexico in Chiapas and Oaxaca. Their aim is to request work there,” she said.

Short sighted trumpian logic with no concept of American soft power or Pax Americana. International relations is all zero sum transactional relations with you people. Oh well, it was nice when America lauded its intellectuals instead of hoisting its simpletons to the upper echelons of governance in furtherance of a kakistocracy.

Pax Americana is synonymous with Big Brother. If you can't see how our ego got in the way as we continued to "assist" the world, then you're too far gone. the more you give the more dependent people become. If that's your idea of a peaceful measure, then good for you.

I don't believe in enabling.

And certainly you can't blame all of this on Trump. I didn't vote for him, but he's here and he's a symptom of people's frustrations rising to the top. So instead of caring for our poor taxpayers, we continue to control through international "aid."

I fail to see how anyone BUT the rich benefits.

That’s literally how America rose to prominence. We give aid to other countries then dictate the terms of the money. We lose our soft and hard power by not doing that. We lose our, as you would call it, “American exceptionalism”. Then again, you’re probably a Russian paid spammer looking to ensure America’s role in the world recedes.

Not to mention all those very smart German Jewish rocket scientists and physicists that we let into the country before, during, and after WW2. And all those very smart Russian scientists that defected to America.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Looks like the shutdown will be underway til mid January.

A large swath of the federal government is shut down — and so are negotiations to reopen it.

President Donald Trump’s standoff with Democratic leaders over the border wall dragged into a third day on Monday, with no hopes on either side of a Christmas deal to break the stalemate. It’s been 48 hours since the last real discussions between Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) and Vice President Mike Pence, and there's growing sentiment in the Capitol that the closure could drag on until mid-January.

Why is Trump acting like a child? No one wants this stupid wall.

From WaPo, here is latest polling on support for the wall:

A recent CNN poll showed that 61 percent of respondents oppose building a border wall without any funding from Mexico. Only 33 percent of respondents support such a plan, including 75 percent of Republicans, 32 percent of independents and just 4 percent of Democrats.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-claims-without-evidence-that-most-of-the-people-not-getting-paid-in-partial-government-shutdown-are-democrats/2018/12/27/afbc992a-09cc-11e9-88e3-989a3e456820_story.html?utm_term=.f370314027d5

Trump needs to stand down.

+1


While Russia is off making cutting-edge weapons and taking over the world, Trump is throwing an enormous temper tantrum over this ridiculous wall.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Keep shutdown going

The longer it goes unresolved the better it is for trump

Democrats are against all common sense immigration reform

No to e-verify
No to limits
No to enforcement
Yes to more visas

You are an insane liar. D's absolutely support E-Verify. It is republicans holding that up because big-ag doesn't want it.

Your second point is vague AF.

They just gave billions to enforcement in their bipartisan funding CR.

They have no control over visas, most of that is determined by the President and their administration and they have produced many bipartisan attempts WITH republicans with reasonable visa limitations.

You guys are either WOEFULLY misinformed or you are liars.