2024 POTUS - polling only

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Anonymous wrote:New York Times

Arizona - Trump 50%, Harris 45%
Georgia - Trump 49%, Harris 45%
North Carolina - Trump 49%, Harris 47%

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/23/us/politics/times-siena-polls-arizona-georgia-north-carolina.html


I don't think there was a +10 swing for Trump in AZ in the last month.


The NYT polls is one of the most respected polls out there. If Trump is up by this much in these states watch out Michigan and PA.
Anonymous
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all gas no brakes, my friends


The governor of Wisconsin won by a little over 3% and that was considered a landslide for Wisconsin elections. Most races are decided by about 1% of the vote or less. The Wisconsin polls were laughably bad in both 2016 and 2020 and significantly underestimated Trump’s support in the state, and it looks like some polls are continuing with their failed methodology.


Yep. Trump was down by 10+ points in a lot of Wisconsin polls right before the 2016 and 2020 elections. I wouldn’t be happy if I was a Dem unless Harris was up by 15+ in most Wisconsin polls.

The Teamsters not endorsing Harris is going to be a much bigger deal than people realize in PA, Wisconsin, and Michigan. Sean O’Brien basically said that Trump was clobbering Harris in NY among rank and file union voters so imagine how well he’s doing in more conservative rust belt states.
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Anonymous wrote:New York Times

Arizona - Trump 50%, Harris 45%
Georgia - Trump 49%, Harris 45%
North Carolina - Trump 49%, Harris 47%

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/23/us/politics/times-siena-polls-arizona-georgia-north-carolina.html


I don't think there was a +10 swing for Trump in AZ in the last month.


The NYT polls is one of the most respected polls out there. If Trump is up by this much in these states watch out Michigan and PA.


Respected doesn't mean zero error.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:New York Times

Arizona - Trump 50%, Harris 45%
Georgia - Trump 49%, Harris 45%
North Carolina - Trump 49%, Harris 47%

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/23/us/politics/times-siena-polls-arizona-georgia-north-carolina.html


I don't think there was a +10 swing for Trump in AZ in the last month.


The NYT polls is one of the most respected polls out there. If Trump is up by this much in these states watch out Michigan and PA.


Respected doesn't mean zero error.


Even within the margin of error Trump is winning AZ and Georgia.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:New York Times

Arizona - Trump 50%, Harris 45%
Georgia - Trump 49%, Harris 45%
North Carolina - Trump 49%, Harris 47%

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/23/us/politics/times-siena-polls-arizona-georgia-north-carolina.html


How is North Carolina closer than Arizona?
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:New York Times

Arizona - Trump 50%, Harris 45%
Georgia - Trump 49%, Harris 45%
North Carolina - Trump 49%, Harris 47%

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/23/us/politics/times-siena-polls-arizona-georgia-north-carolina.html


I don't think there was a +10 swing for Trump in AZ in the last month.


The NYT polls is one of the most respected polls out there. If Trump is up by this much in these states watch out Michigan and PA.


Respected doesn't mean zero error.


Even within the margin of error Trump is winning AZ and Georgia.


In this poll. I agree, Trump has the edge in these states and other polls show this as well. But a 10 point swing is unlikely. More likely is a smaller swing and the margin in AZ will be closer to the polling average (Trump up by 1-2 percentage points).
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Anonymous wrote:New York Times

Arizona - Trump 50%, Harris 45%
Georgia - Trump 49%, Harris 45%
North Carolina - Trump 49%, Harris 47%

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/23/us/politics/times-siena-polls-arizona-georgia-north-carolina.html


I don't think there was a +10 swing for Trump in AZ in the last month.


The NYT polls is one of the most respected polls out there. If Trump is up by this much in these states watch out Michigan and PA.


Respected doesn't mean zero error.


Even within the margin of error Trump is winning AZ and Georgia.


In this poll. I agree, Trump has the edge in these states and other polls show this as well. But a 10 point swing is unlikely. More likely is a smaller swing and the margin in AZ will be closer to the polling average (Trump up by 1-2 percentage points).


Arizona has two dem senators and a dem governor. Polling is saying its a close game and I agree. I imagine in Arizona it will be very slim margins yet again and I wouldn't be shocked either way but if I was betting I would say D. They have simply voted D in many of these tight elections in recent years so the D turnout game is strong.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

all gas no brakes, my friends


The governor of Wisconsin won by a little over 3% and that was considered a landslide for Wisconsin elections. Most races are decided by about 1% of the vote or less. The Wisconsin polls were laughably bad in both 2016 and 2020 and significantly underestimated Trump’s support in the state, and it looks like some polls are continuing with their failed methodology.


Yep. Trump was down by 10+ points in a lot of Wisconsin polls right before the 2016 and 2020 elections. I wouldn’t be happy if I was a Dem unless Harris was up by 15+ in most Wisconsin polls.

The Teamsters not endorsing Harris is going to be a much bigger deal than people realize in PA, Wisconsin, and Michigan. Sean O’Brien basically said that Trump was clobbering Harris in NY among rank and file union voters so imagine how well he’s doing in more conservative rust belt states.


The local chapters of the Teamsters in those swing states have endorsed Harris and will be providing volunteers to canvass and work the polling stations.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:New York Times

Arizona - Trump 50%, Harris 45%
Georgia - Trump 49%, Harris 45%
North Carolina - Trump 49%, Harris 47%

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/23/us/politics/times-siena-polls-arizona-georgia-north-carolina.html


How is North Carolina closer than Arizona?

Mark Robinson
New, younger transplants
Killer ground game by NC Dems.
Anonymous
Anonymous
President: general election, North Carolina, 2024.

Sept. 17-21 682 LV The New York Times/Siena College
Harris 45%
Trump 47%
Oliver 1%
Stein 0%

Is Oliver going to keep that 1% in such a close race?


Sept. 17-21 682 LV The New York Times/Siena College
Harris 47%
Trump 49%
Sept. 17-21

This is with pollster insisting 3rd party / undecided to pick Harris/Trump. Over 50% of these people refused to answer.


Sept. 16-19 868 LV Redfield & Wilton Strategies
Harris 47%
Trump 48%
Oliver 0%
Stein 0%
Anonymous
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wait a minute. I thought Trump's campaign was in a "death spiral?" Looks more like he's starting to pull away.
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wait a minute. I thought Trump's campaign was in a "death spiral?" Looks more like he's starting to pull away.


Two different questions. "Death Spiral" is premature/hyperbole

"Pulling away" is a state-by-state question.

Harris is leading in WI, MI, PA, NV



https://www.270towin.com/maps/polymarket-2024-presidential-election-odds
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wait a minute. I thought Trump's campaign was in a "death spiral?" Looks more like he's starting to pull away.


Trump may win the election. But looking at his campaign versus Harris’ objectively, only one of them looks like it’s trying to win.

Ignore who you want to win if you can and just look at what they are doing.

Harris is trying to get her base riled up in swing states and trying to make a dent in Trump’s numbers in rural parts of swing states. She is getting a GOTV machine into gear. Trump has a laid back schedule, no real GOTV plan, and is looking to coast. There is a difference in hustle between the campaigns.
Anonymous
Here is something you aren't considering in the New York Times/Siena polls.

Look at the sampling male and female. They're oversampling females and by large numbers.

They're sampling 45% male and 55% female. Why would you do that except to skew a poll?

And even with that, look at the results. It's not good for Harris. Beware guys. This isn't a good polling methodology.
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