Feds uncover large-scale college entrance exam cheating plot

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can't get myself to care that much about any of this. Are there criminals in the world? Yeah. Are there dumbasses? Yeah. Is there affirmative action for rich people? Yes, way more than for any other demographic category. Is any of this new? No.

Felicity Huffman is facing federal charges for faking a 1420 on the SAT's? A 1420.

I’m be embarrassed to claim the kid who needed to cheat just to get that score as my own.

I guess I should disown my kid who only got a 1300.

I think that Felicity's daughter previously had like a 1020. They doctored her SAT score to a point where it could be believable for her to submit to Admissions without it being flagged by SAT/Admissions for fraud. There was recently that case where a student was accused of cheating for improving her SAT score by a huge margin, and it triggered a fraud alert on the student's test scores.

[Anonymous]

Huffmans daughter had a 1020 PSAT which didn’t bode well for the SAT

So Singer sent them to the psychologist he bribed to get a fake extended time accommodation, then arrange for testing private through a bribed College Board proctor.

When the kid’s school got notice of the accommodations bring granted, they contacted Huffman about administering the SAT at her school, and Huffman freaked our, emailing Singer/his people ‘Ruh ro’ and brainstorming with them about how to get out of that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Huffmans daughter had a 1020 PSAT which didn’t bode well for the SAT

So Singer sent them to the psychologist he bribed to get a fake extended time accommodation, then arrange for testing private through a bribed College Board proctor.

When the kid’s school got notice of the accommodations bring granted, they contacted Huffman about administering the SAT at her school, and Huffman freaked our, emailing Singer/his people ‘Ruh ro’ and brainstorming with them about how to get out of that.

So then what happened? Singer took care of it by administering her daughter the SSAT test at his private location?

[Anonymous]

TMZ is reporting that USC will evaluate on a case-by-case basis but will expel any students who were aware of the fraud. Didn't the Loughlin girl pose on a rowing machine so her dad could send "action pics" for her doctored admissions file? Hope she's kicked out STAT.

Amazing how morally bankrupt these parents and kids are.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Huffmans daughter had a 1020 PSAT which didn’t bode well for the SAT

So Singer sent them to the psychologist he bribed to get a fake extended time accommodation, then arrange for testing private through a bribed College Board proctor.

When the kid’s school got notice of the accommodations bring granted, they contacted Huffman about administering the SAT at her school, and Huffman freaked our, emailing Singer/his people ‘Ruh ro’ and brainstorming with them about how to get out of that.

So then what happened? Singer took care of it by administering her daughter the SSAT test at his private location?

Yes, with the proctor bribed to change some of the answers.

[Anonymous]

Do we know who tipped off the feds about the scheme in the first place?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Frank Bruni's op ed.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/12/opinion/college-bribery-admissions.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

It may be legal to pledge $2.5 million to Harvard just as your son is applying — which is what Jared Kushner’s father did for him — and illegal to bribe a coach to the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars, but how much of a difference is there, really? Both elevate money over accomplishment. Both are ways of cutting in line.

It may be legal to give $50,000 to a private consultant who massages your child’s transcript and perfumes your child’s essays, and illegal to pay someone for a patently fictive test score, but aren’t both exercises in deception reserved for those who can afford them?

It's all deceptive.

A kid who has $500/hr tutors for the SAT vs a kid on Khan academy website.

It's all a game ... one big immoral game.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Rich entitled white people seem to be having a nervous breakdown. B-b-b-but affirmative action. B-b-but “great schools”. B-b-but NNAT prep....

Dunno. I bet virtually all these parents would call themselves strong supporters of affirmative action (given that they're mostly Hollywood/New York liberals). All the spots their dumb kids took from others were taken from white candidates, not black candidates, so affirmative action is not at play here, one way or another.

But I think *some* angry minority people are having a nervous breakdown because this only exposes even more how college admissions is not a meritocratic process and the more clear it becomes that the expensive colleges are virtually selling seats to the higher bidder one way or another, and actually in its own way, weakens the validity of affirmative action itself because it presents it as just another form of corruption that passes for admissions. At the end of the day these schools are going to have to stop any pretense, whatsoever, that they care about meritocracy, which would be a direct contradiction to their long held missions and education values. It doesn't matter whether you're the stupid white offspring of rich and connected parents, or an AA with well below average scores and grades, you're both gaming the system in your own way, and ultimately overall weaken the integrity of the "premier" higher education in this country. There's no question that the value and prestige of degrees from fancy schools have declined as a result.

Several points. You have the mission wrong. It’s to build the class that is most likely to be future leaders not top scorers. Second: elite schools always favored the rich and actually the Ivy League was built to educate only the rich and has expanded its mission to include others. Three: only ignorant people thought it was ever straight grades and scores to get in... used to be poor grades, right school right family until the 1970s early 80s with window dressing of other people

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The accommodations scam needs to end. Kids who never needed before all of the sudden in 8th grade needed for the high school entry standardized tests. Total scam. Like therapy dogs.

And they all take the ACT. They get almost double the time and it is an easy test. The whole point of that test is that you need to be quick and efficient.

If you are giving extra time, it must be on the harder test.

My daughter goes to a top 5 private. She is a senior and estimates that 1/3 of the kids are on “accommodations.” Extra hour for every exam. Extra time for tests. No quick quizzes. HW is given one extra day. It is a complete disgrace. Ruins it for the kids that truly need it.

When kids are pulling 34-36 - pulease.

My kid got a 35 with extra time. He has had the accommodation of time and a half since 2nd grade. The last time he was tested by the psychologist was in middle school (7th or 8th grade) and he had his ACT accommodations in 11th grade was based on that testing and diagnosis (ADHD and slow processing). He was tested again in 12th grade and it turns out he still has ADHD, but his processing speed has improved significantly from 8th grade. I guess it must have been that way when he took his ACT. That is great news and we are thrilled about his improvement. And for all the hardship he had to endure those years, he got the bonus a great score. And based on his new testing, he would not qualify for the extra time, which he obviously no longer needs.

So basically he cheated, but you are okay with it and feel proud because he worked hard in earlier years and DESERVED it? Got it.

He did not cheat. Where do you get that? This was above board and legit. The kid got a lucky break...good for him!

Last time he was checked was 7th grade. You made damn sure to not get him rechecked during 10/11th. Once the testing and major grades were out of the way for colleges, he just happen to get tested again. And poof. All gone. You knew. He knew it. You kept the accommodation thru this knowing there as a chance he would lose it. And you felt he deserved this “lucky” break. It was cheating the system.

PP here. Hah, nice try. I had him tested in summer after 7th grade...typical timing to be prepared for high school. The other time I had him tested him was in 2nd grade. Both times showed ADHD and slow processing...typical for kids who need the extra time. His processing improved slightly on the second test, but not significant. There was no need to test before 12th grade...the testing in 12th was for college accommodations. He took his ACT in February of his Junior year.

Yeah, right, I knew. You people are unbelievable...the vitriol.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Right, that’s the same. Lord you’re dumb.

They are comparable because weight loss through diet/exercise is something that you actually have to work for. Test prep is literally available to all students - FREE - through Kahn Academy. Some students take advantage of it, some don't.

Cheating is not the same thing as test prep.

If Kahn Academy test prep is equivalent, why are people paying so much for private test prep and tutors?

EXACTLY.

Kahn is studying.

Personal test prep are the secrets, the curveballs, etc... It is not learning. It is promising exults because they study pattens in previous tests, teach kids how to figure out standardized test questions, how to skim the passages, and so forth. It is a temporary ability to get a temporary smart looking score. And now that many colleges subscore, kids can take it 4 times and only focus on one section. They can get three 10’s and a 35 each time on a separate session and get a super score of 35. Most people can’t afford taking it once, let alone 4 times.

Yes, this is right. For the former video gamers out there, it is the cheat code that lets you advance a level.

That said, when the time comes, I'm going to do all these things for my kid (short of felonies, obviously).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:TMZ is reporting that USC will evaluate on a case-by-case basis but will expel any students who were aware of the fraud. Didn't the Loughlin girl pose on a rowing machine so her dad could send "action pics" for her doctored admissions file? Hope she's kicked out STAT.

Amazing how morally bankrupt these parents and kids are.

Why do the kids need to know about the fraud? They should be kicked out because they were admitted on fradulent credentials. It doesn't matter if they knew or not. That's life.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My daughter is at USC (full tuition scholarship). Coincidentally, she lives down the hall from Loughlin’s daughter.

I am concerned VERY concerned about the value of her USC degree doing down. This makes the school look like it’s pay to play and the only thing that matters is money.

I wouldn’t be concerned but has always been this way. As pp posted about the Jordanian royalty, the universities will always open their doors. I my roommates dad was the leader of An international governmental body and her friend - a the granddaughter of a European Queen always hung out with us too. I’m not saying they didn’t earn the right to be there, but I’m sure their family connections helped. My roommate dad actually did a lecture when he came for parents weekend.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can't get myself to care that much about any of this. Are there criminals in the world? Yeah. Are there dumbasses? Yeah. Is there affirmative action for rich people? Yes, way more than for any other demographic category. Is any of this new? No.

Felicity Huffman is facing federal charges for faking a 1420 on the SAT's? A 1420.

I’m be embarrassed to claim the kid who needed to cheat just to get that score as my own.

God, I’d take her kid with the cheating over you and yours any day.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can't get myself to care that much about any of this. Are there criminals in the world? Yeah. Are there dumbasses? Yeah. Is there affirmative action for rich people? Yes, way more than for any other demographic category. Is any of this new? No.

Felicity Huffman is facing federal charges for faking a 1420 on the SAT's? A 1420.

I’m be embarrassed to claim the kid who needed to cheat just to get that score as my own.

God, I’d take her kid with the cheating over you and yours any day.

Bingo! If this thread shows anything is the test prep high score parents are the horrible of all humans... even the felons.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:TMZ is reporting that USC will evaluate on a case-by-case basis but will expel any students who were aware of the fraud. Didn't the Loughlin girl pose on a rowing machine so her dad could send "action pics" for her doctored admissions file? Hope she's kicked out STAT.

Amazing how morally bankrupt these parents and kids are.

Why do the kids need to know about the fraud? They should be kicked out because they were admitted on fradulent credentials. It doesn't matter if they knew or not. That's life.

+1 and the kids who got in based on sports know for a fact that they never rowed.