UVA student missing

[Anonymous]

I am confused by something. How can anyone be lost in this day and age when holding a smartphone with gps and maps built in?

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Anonymous wrote:Agree it is weird that she texted she was lost after she was seen w him. Why would she text that if they were together?

I am wondering if her friends texted wondering where she was and JM texted back. She was blind drunk stumbling around but still managed to send off a text?

And it is weird that they haven't published that final text.

I thought she only sent the 1 text saying she was lost?

But I guess it would make sense if there is another text. If I were her friend (even if I didn't know her/like her), I'd text back asking for a map pin, grab some friends (definitely include a trusted male friend) and go get her.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The police will be releasing all sorts of bad things about this guy. Stuff that probably should be protected. Take it all with a grain of salt. This is how the police and DAs like to operate in high-profile cases.

They certainly did it in the Mike Brown case and the Eric Garner to justify their murders.

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Anonymous wrote:I am confused by something. How can anyone be lost in this day and age when holding a smartphone with gps and maps built in?

Because....drunk

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If JM had a phone and Hannah had a phone, would they be able to determine that they were in the same general location? Wouldn't they be able to tell when and where her phone went dead?

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Anonymous wrote:Am I missing something? Where are you guys getting any info that JM had anything to do with drugs, let alone selling them to Hannah or someone else?

Pp, were you not aware that all black men are drug dealers?

I am not aware that all black men are drug dealers. However, I am aware that there are a lot of paranoid idiots out there. If JM is cleared in this case, I hope he subpoenas and sues all you idiots for slander.

Good lord people, some of you are like some phony infomercial detective straight from a Simpson's episode.

Remember Richard Jewel and the Atlanta Olympic bombings? He was there but then became a suspect. Eventually cleared.

If this guy has nothing to hide, why did he flee Charlottesville at high speed?

Because when you are black and a white girl is missing and the police know you were one of the last people to see her, you can see the writing on the wall?

I'm not saying he is innocent, but certainly in this country many innocent black men have been blamed for crimes against white women they had nothing to do with.

I don't really understand why, if he were guilty, he would have hung around for so long after and even voluntarily shown up at the police station.

The police chief does seem very emotionally involved and lacking emotional detachment in a way that does not always go hand in hand with careful and methodical police work.

Even with all of this said, to me the most likely explanation is that the suspect with the dreds was involved somehow just because he was the last one to see her and he DID flee. I hope this story takes a weird turn and she is found alive and healthy, maybe just in a like fugue state or disoriented.

Do you always live in an alternate reality? They wouldn't charge them unless they had evidence she was in the car with him.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Are you serious? Have you never heard of police manufacturing evidence against people, particularly black people, in high profile cases? Or witnesses misidentifying people, particularly black people? Like, NONE of the guys who went to jail for the Central Park jogger rape 20 odd years ago were actually the slightest bit guilty? NONE. Which one of us is living in an alternate reality again? Wake up!

(Fwiw, I am a white woman and a lawyer.)

What a coincidence -- I'm a lawyer too. And I agree that eyewitness testimony can be unreliable. But now we have surveillance video, cell phone records that include location and DNA evidence-- the odds of wrongful conviction are much lower than they were 20 years ago.

But that actually wasn't what I meant by "alternate reality," the chances are her being "alive and healthy" are ridiculously low 10 days in.

Still don't understand the outpouring of sympathy for a man, under best case scenario, is depriving the police of information which might lead to them locating another suspect(if he really did leave her somewhere) or the girl (if she left him and died accidentally--unlikely given the searches conducted thus far.

[Anonymous]

Ok so I'm a corporate lawyer so only know a little about criminal law from school. If JM's lawyer knows where he is, doesn't his lawyer have to tell police? The crime fraud exception to the attorney client privilege?

[Anonymous]

You said:

"Do you always live in an alternate reality? They wouldn't charge them unless they had evidence she was in the car with him."

Meaning I am living in an alternate reality if I thought they would charge him without evidence she had actually been in his car. And my response is that police plant evidence against and extract false confessions from black men all the damn time, and that YOU are living in an alternate reality for failing to acknowledge this.

As a lawyer, you should know this happens and be willing to admit it.

[Anonymous]

I think what is going on is he was with her, knows what happened to her or who she went with, but is afraid to give too much information because as a black man who is a POI in a case with a missing white girl, chances are good it will all get pinned on him. Black men have a mistrust of police. He's absolutely hindering the case, but I think he's terrified to come to them and say what he knows, who she went with, what that person did with her or where they took her because he's afraid it's all going to fall on him.

I don't have sympathy for the guy. I just find it hard to believe he personally killed her. He doesn't fit the profile for this type of crime. I think he definitely knows much more than he's telling the police and possibly is involved in whatever DID happen to her in a tangential way (handing her off, taking her somewhere questionable, etc.) but killed her- I'm not buying it yet.

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Anonymous wrote:Ok so I'm a corporate lawyer so only know a little about criminal law from school. If JM's lawyer knows where he is, doesn't his lawyer have to tell police? The crime fraud exception to the attorney client privilege?

The lawyer probably doesn't know where he is. JM's "family" retained him. The family is likely relaying info. to JM and JM is probably not telling the lawyer where he is. Family, however, could get in trouble for assisting a fugitive if they are helping him.

As for those suggesting that JM texted on HG's phone --- maybe I'm not understanding you, but everything I've read says that she texted her friends that she was lost BEFORE she was seen with JM at the bar. So, I think you may be going down a rabbit hole with your theory that he was with her when she texted her friends.

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What a coincidence -- I'm a lawyer too. And I agree that eyewitness testimony can be unreliable. But now we have surveillance video, cell phone records that include location and DNA evidence-- the odds of wrongful conviction are much lower than they were 20 years ago.

But that actually wasn't what I meant by "alternate reality," the chances are her being "alive and healthy" are ridiculously low 10 days in.

Still don't understand the outpouring of sympathy for a man, under best case scenario, is depriving the police of information which might lead to them locating another suspect(if he really did leave her somewhere) or the girl (if she left him and died accidentally--unlikely given the searches conducted thus far.

What do we actually know to this point? JM was seen with HG - they went and had a drink/s, he had his arm around her at some point, they apparently left together after the drink.

Do we know for a fact that she went with him in his car? Do we know if he molested her? Did they have sex? None of these things are known. Even the charges refer to an INTENT to defile - not that he actually did anything to her.

So we are left with why he wanted legal representation and refused to talk to the police. May be it is because he is guilty. But just as likely that given he is black and was with her just before she disappeared and that she is white, he is fearful of what the police may pin on him. Do I blame him given the history of how the justice system treats blacks in this country? Absolutely not - he would be foolhardy to talk to the police without an attorney. I would say this even if he were white.

The police have already used the reckless driving charge as a pretext to detain him. Now we have a charge of abduction and INTENT to defile - again, IMO, it is to turn the screws on him.

And some here actually blame him for being wary of the police and the justice system treating him fairly??

[Anonymous]

I think she was a bit drunk, he gave her another drink with a date-rape drug in it, then took her to his car with the plan to have sex (actually, the plan to rape her, let's be honest). When the drug hit her central nervous system already depressed from the alcohol, it shut her down and she died b/c of the drug/alcohol combo. He may or may not have raped her, but once she died, he dumped her.

This guy worked in a hospital. I'm sure he could get his hands on a few narcotics if he was sneaky enough. And even if he didn't get them from the hospital, I wouldn't be surprised if they have an associate of JM's who is known to have access to the date-rape-drug. If the police have info. that JM had that drug, that might support the charge of "intent to defile."

There is nothing about "race" going on here. This guy did not know HG and yet he had his hands on her body acting like he knew her and no one has seen her since. That's more than "racial profiling" going on.

[Anonymous]

Timeline here: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2762538/Police-announce-big-break-hunt-missing-teen-Hannah-Graham-search-car-apartment-complex.html

Matthew is on tape at around the 1:06 or 1:08 time period, going up to Graham after the white dude follows her.

His story is that he then went to a bar with her, bought her a few drinks, and they left separately.

Then at 1:20 she text she is lost. Either she was lying and was still with Matthew, or HE texted that from her phone, or he was telling the truth that he bought her drinks and went off without her. Or he left her and doubled back.

[Anonymous]

I think she died of alcohol intoxication, he freaked out and got rid of the body because nobody would believe him. I think they probably had sex (which technically she could not consent to because of how drunk she was) but he did not give her a drug just drinks.

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Anonymous wrote:You said:

"Do you always live in an alternate reality? They wouldn't charge them unless they had evidence she was in the car with him."

Meaning I am living in an alternate reality if I thought they would charge him without evidence she had actually been in his car. And my response is that police plant evidence against and extract false confessions from black men all the damn time, and that YOU are living in an alternate reality for failing to acknowledge this.

As a lawyer, you should know this happens and be willing to admit it.

Well to be fair, black men also commit crimes; just like white men do. But wrongful convictions generally are a very very small percentage of all convictions. So I don't think he is being wrongfully targeted because he is black -- he is being targeted because he was the last person seen with her. And frankly, I find your suggestion that evidence is being planted in this very high profile case ridiculous and at this point, without any basis in fact other than your apparent belief that all black men are denied a fair trial in this country. I don't agree with that premise--not saying it never happens, but my belief is that it is not a common occurrence. Most people who are in jail, whether black or white, committed the crime that they were convicted of-- the miscarriages of justice are the rare exception. Even these are being corrected via reexamination of DNA evidence in old cases.

If you were to ask me whether the death penalty is applied fairly, I would agree that it is not.