UVA student missing

[Anonymous]

Murderers don't typically sashay in to the police station looking for a lawyer. I think this dude knows something, but he is not the guy. I think he handed her off. Consider the charge - kidnapping with intent to defile.

They are turning up the heat on him so he turns.

[Anonymous]

Here are some things I find troubling about this:

Police searched Matthew's car and house thoroughly one time and had the evidence tested, and did not seem to have enough evidence to charge Matthew with abduction. If she had gotten in his car, wouldn't there have been some evidence that she had been in there?

Then Matthew went to the police station to request and talk to a lawyer, at which point he ran and the police (probably based on his running) got another warrant to search his apartment again and took out more clothing. Then announced they really, really wanted to talk to him, and then they issued a warrant for his arrest for abduction with intent to defile.

The thing is, she was at the bar with Matthew at around 12:45 or 1 (I think). Then her last communication is a text 20 minutes later saying she is lost, and she is steps from the Route 29 corridor where 4 other girls have been abducted.

She doesn't say anything in her text about being with Matthew or being in a car. If she is lost, she was probably alone. And this was AFTER she had been at the bar with Matthew.

So to believe Matthew was involved in her disappearance, I think you need to believe either that he was with her in the bar, left her, she sent the text (while apparently alone), then he circled back and found her again -- OR -- that he abducted her and then sent the text himself to throw people off.

I find it hard to believe that a person who did either of those things would voluntarily show up at a police station to ask for a lawyer. Maybe.

How many people in this thread will believe that if a strand of Graham's hair, for example, was found in Matthew's apartment during the second search, it is evidence if Matthew's guilt and not cross contamination or cops planting evidence on purpose to get an arrest warrant? Probably almost everyone.

It just seems very sketchy. I hope it is resolved in a way that doesn't create a greater rift between races in our country.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:From an abc news article about the case (http://abcnews.go.com/US/hannah-graham-searchers-returns-jesse-matthews-apartment/story?id=25677711):

"According to public records, Matthew was involved in 22 incidents between 1999 and 2007, the majority of which were related to some kind of traffic violations ranging from failure to wear a seatbelt to failure to yield or obey stop signs."

TWENTY TWO traffic stops and the most serious thing Matthew has been charged with is running a stop sign? Seriously? Sounds like Matthew has definitely been the victim of "driving while black" in the past, and this may have given him some reason to be cautious of police in this case.

+1 million. It has been said before. Cops make white people feel safe, they make black men uneasy and fearful regardless of guilt.

Read the article again. It said that he was involved in 22 "incidents" the majority of which were related to traffic incidents. I read on another news site that he was charged with assault and theft but the charges were later dropped.

what's your point

He was convicted of trespassing and was previously charged with two counts of assault and grand larceny. Not all of the incidents sound like minor traffic citations as the PP would make it seem.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:All of you playing race just STOP. He is being looked for because he was the last person seen with her and she is missing. And he fled. And then something else emerged which led them to issue a warrant for him - which they did not do immediately. He is under scrutiny because of his actions, NOT BECAUSE HE IS BLACK!

No one, NO ONE, is saying that this is happening to him because he is black, rather his actions to me and many others could be the actions of a guilty man or an innocent man who fears the justice system. If it were my son and I knew he was innocent, I'd still be scared shitless for him. Black men do not get a fair shake in this country's justice system. Do you deny that fact? Can you not understand that maybe he is uncooperative because he fears cooperating will not work in his favor even if there's nothing to hide? People are coerced into false confessions more than you'd believe. He is already being assumed guilty. Being a black male and the last person to have seen a missing white girl, in a case where the police are under huge pressure and the public is screaming for answers is a dangerous and scary situation. I don't know if he's innocent or guilty, but I sincerely doubt his chances of a fair trial.

Of course black men don't always get a fair shake. But you're missing the point. This guy is getting treated as anyone would who has acted the way he has (being publicly seen with her, not coming forward, then running). He is acting guilty, regardless of whether he is. I'd say the exact same thing if he were white. And does everyone remember the sketchy white guy who was initially thought to be following her on the videos? He was trashed publicly before he came forward.

I am once again not saying that he is being treated a certain way because of his color. I'm saying that his actions do not necessarily mean guilty. If he knows what most of us know about our justice system, he very well may have run because he is scared. Guilty or innocent, he is scared for good reason. Guilty white guy in shoes may have done the same thing. Innocent white guy in his shoes would have a much easier time coming forward and knowing that the deck isn't stacked against him.

So you're making excuses for him running? You're just fueling stereotypes. Black guys can be stand up too - like going to the police station and telling them what he knew. Instead he ran.

This is why we will never get anywhere in this country. You all refuse to open your eyes and see what makes you uncomfortable. If you want black men to feel comfortable following the rule of society and the justice system, try not treating them like de facto criminals from birth.

What should Matthew have done? Aside from changing all of society's rules? Why can't you acknowledge that he is probably acting this way bc he is guilty, not bc he is black? YOU ARE THE ONE STEREOTYPING.

Another PP here. Whether you intended it or not, you validated her point.

[Anonymous]

Agree it is weird that she texted she was lost after she was seen w him. Why would she text that if they were together?

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Anonymous wrote:All of you playing race just STOP. He is being looked for because he was the last person seen with her and she is missing. And he fled. And then something else emerged which led them to issue a warrant for him - which they did not do immediately. He is under scrutiny because of his actions, NOT BECAUSE HE IS BLACK!

No one, NO ONE, is saying that this is happening to him because he is black, rather his actions to me and many others could be the actions of a guilty man or an innocent man who fears the justice system. If it were my son and I knew he was innocent, I'd still be scared shitless for him. Black men do not get a fair shake in this country's justice system. Do you deny that fact? Can you not understand that maybe he is uncooperative because he fears cooperating will not work in his favor even if there's nothing to hide? People are coerced into false confessions more than you'd believe. He is already being assumed guilty. Being a black male and the last person to have seen a missing white girl, in a case where the police are under huge pressure and the public is screaming for answers is a dangerous and scary situation. I don't know if he's innocent or guilty, but I sincerely doubt his chances of a fair trial.

Of course black men don't always get a fair shake. But you're missing the point. This guy is getting treated as anyone would who has acted the way he has (being publicly seen with her, not coming forward, then running). He is acting guilty, regardless of whether he is. I'd say the exact same thing if he were white. And does everyone remember the sketchy white guy who was initially thought to be following her on the videos? He was trashed publicly before he came forward.

I am once again not saying that he is being treated a certain way because of his color. I'm saying that his actions do not necessarily mean guilty. If he knows what most of us know about our justice system, he very well may have run because he is scared. Guilty or innocent, he is scared for good reason. Guilty white guy in shoes may have done the same thing. Innocent white guy in his shoes would have a much easier time coming forward and knowing that the deck isn't stacked against him.

So you're making excuses for him running? You're just fueling stereotypes. Black guys can be stand up too - like going to the police station and telling them what he knew. Instead he ran.

This is why we will never get anywhere in this country. You all refuse to open your eyes and see what makes you uncomfortable. If you want black men to feel comfortable following the rule of society and the justice system, try not treating them like de facto criminals from birth.

What should Matthew have done? Aside from changing all of society's rules? Why can't you acknowledge that he is probably acting this way bc he is guilty, not bc he is black? YOU ARE THE ONE STEREOTYPING.

Another PP here. Whether you intended it or not, you validated her point.

How? If he were white, black, blue, purple id feel the same.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:From an abc news article about the case (http://abcnews.go.com/US/hannah-graham-searchers-returns-jesse-matthews-apartment/story?id=25677711):

"According to public records, Matthew was involved in 22 incidents between 1999 and 2007, the majority of which were related to some kind of traffic violations ranging from failure to wear a seatbelt to failure to yield or obey stop signs."

TWENTY TWO traffic stops and the most serious thing Matthew has been charged with is running a stop sign? Seriously? Sounds like Matthew has definitely been the victim of "driving while black" in the past, and this may have given him some reason to be cautious of police in this case.

+1 million. It has been said before. Cops make white people feel safe, they make black men uneasy and fearful regardless of guilt.

Read the article again. It said that he was involved in 22 "incidents" the majority of which were related to traffic incidents. I read on another news site that he was charged with assault and theft but the charges were later dropped.

what's your point

He was convicted of trespassing and was previously charged with two counts of assault and grand larceny. Not all of the incidents sound like minor traffic citations as the PP would make it seem.

Doesn't mean that he murdered anyone either. Did you ever stop to think that his record and how he thought that would play into this may have contributed to him fleeing? If I were innocent of this crime but I had a rap sheet, it would not be a leap for me to think that will play into how I am treated during ths investigation.

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From an abc news article about the case (http://abcnews.go.com/US/hannah-graham-searchers-returns-jesse-matthews-apartment/story?id=25677711):

"According to public records, Matthew was involved in 22 incidents between 1999 and 2007, the majority of which were related to some kind of traffic violations ranging from failure to wear a seatbelt to failure to yield or obey stop signs."

TWENTY TWO traffic stops and the most serious thing Matthew has been charged with is running a stop sign? Seriously? Sounds like Matthew has definitely been the victim of "driving while black" in the past, and this may have given him some reason to be cautious of police in this case.

+1 million. It has been said before. Cops make white people feel safe, they make black men uneasy and fearful regardless of guilt.

Read the article again. It said that he was involved in 22 "incidents" the majority of which were related to traffic incidents. I read on another news site that he was charged with assault and theft but the charges were later dropped.

what's your point

He was convicted of trespassing and was previously charged with two counts of assault and grand larceny. Not all of the incidents sound like minor traffic citations as the PP would make it seem.

First poster's point was that it's an unusually high number of incidents in general, implying that he's been targeted because he is black, not that the incidents were just for minor infractions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Agree it is weird that she texted she was lost after she was seen w him. Why would she text that if they were together?

I am wondering if her friends texted wondering where she was and JM texted back. She was blind drunk stumbling around but still managed to send off a text?

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Anonymous wrote:Agree it is weird that she texted she was lost after she was seen w him. Why would she text that if they were together?

I am wondering if her friends texted wondering where she was and JM texted back. She was blind drunk stumbling around but still managed to send off a text?

And it is weird that they haven't published that final text.

[Anonymous]

The police will be releasing all sorts of bad things about this guy. Stuff that probably should be protected. Take it all with a grain of salt. This is how the police and DAs like to operate in high-profile cases.

[Anonymous]

Does anyone know if there is a timeline published somewhere? As PP noted, it sounds like she was with him at the bar, and later sent the "I am lost" text? So, she was no longer with him?

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Anonymous wrote:Agree it is weird that she texted she was lost after she was seen w him. Why would she text that if they were together?

And, don't forget, there were two reported sexual assaults IN THE SAME AREA as 14th and Wertland just a few days after Hannah went missing! 14th and Wertland is the location that she says she in her last text.

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Anonymous wrote:All of you playing race just STOP. He is being looked for because he was the last person seen with her and she is missing. And he fled. And then something else emerged which led them to issue a warrant for him - which they did not do immediately. He is under scrutiny because of his actions, NOT BECAUSE HE IS BLACK!

No one, NO ONE, is saying that this is happening to him because he is black, rather his actions to me and many others could be the actions of a guilty man or an innocent man who fears the justice system. If it were my son and I knew he was innocent, I'd still be scared shitless for him. Black men do not get a fair shake in this country's justice system. Do you deny that fact? Can you not understand that maybe he is uncooperative because he fears cooperating will not work in his favor even if there's nothing to hide? People are coerced into false confessions more than you'd believe. He is already being assumed guilty. Being a black male and the last person to have seen a missing white girl, in a case where the police are under huge pressure and the public is screaming for answers is a dangerous and scary situation. I don't know if he's innocent or guilty, but I sincerely doubt his chances of a fair trial.

Of course black men don't always get a fair shake. But you're missing the point. This guy is getting treated as anyone would who has acted the way he has (being publicly seen with her, not coming forward, then running). He is acting guilty, regardless of whether he is. I'd say the exact same thing if he were white. And does everyone remember the sketchy white guy who was initially thought to be following her on the videos? He was trashed publicly before he came forward.

I am once again not saying that he is being treated a certain way because of his color. I'm saying that his actions do not necessarily mean guilty. If he knows what most of us know about our justice system, he very well may have run because he is scared. Guilty or innocent, he is scared for good reason. Guilty white guy in shoes may have done the same thing. Innocent white guy in his shoes would have a much easier time coming forward and knowing that the deck isn't stacked against him.

So you're making excuses for him running? You're just fueling stereotypes. Black guys can be stand up too - like going to the police station and telling them what he knew. Instead he ran.

This is why we will never get anywhere in this country. You all refuse to open your eyes and see what makes you uncomfortable. If you want black men to feel comfortable following the rule of society and the justice system, try not treating them like de facto criminals from birth.

What should Matthew have done? Aside from changing all of society's rules? Why can't you acknowledge that he is probably acting this way bc he is guilty, not bc he is black? YOU ARE THE ONE STEREOTYPING.

Another PP here. Whether you intended it or not, you validated her point.

How? If he were white, black, blue, purple id feel the same.

Right....because you have reached the conclusion that because he fled, he must be guilty. PP is trying to tell you that may not be the case. She has another perspective that is perfectly valid given her experience.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Agree it is weird that she texted she was lost after she was seen w him. Why would she text that if they were together?

Maybe "she" didn't send the text.