UVA student missing

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't understand why this thread hasn't been moved to Off Topics. It ceased being about UVA a long time ago, and is now about amateur sleuthing and amateur lawyers.

good point

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

As far as I know, although counsel has been retained there is no indication as to whether he has had any substantive discussion with the defendant.

He shows up and asks to speak to a lawyer before speaking to the police. Something happened between him and the lawyer that made him decide not only to not talk to the police but to leave town at high speed.

You can go ahead and think the switch happened without any discussion with the lawyer. I can go ahead and think otherwise.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

As far as I know, although counsel has been retained there is no indication as to whether he has had any substantive discussion with the defendant.

He shows up and asks to speak to a lawyer before speaking to the police. Something happened between him and the lawyer that made him decide not only to not talk to the police but to leave town at high speed.

You can go ahead and think the switch happened without any discussion with the lawyer. I can go ahead and think otherwise.

Do you know for a fact if he met with the lawyer? All I have read is that he went to the police station and said he wanted a lawyer. I doubt the police are going to provide a lawyer especially given that he had not yet been charged with anything. Did he retain the lawyer himself or did his family retain the lawyer for him?

People can have differing opinions but facts are facts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't understand why this thread hasn't been moved to Off Topics. It ceased being about UVA a long time ago, and is now about amateur sleuthing and amateur lawyers.

good point

+1.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

As far as I know, although counsel has been retained there is no indication as to whether he has had any substantive discussion with the defendant.

He shows up and asks to speak to a lawyer before speaking to the police. Something happened between him and the lawyer that made him decide not only to not talk to the police but to leave town at high speed.

You can go ahead and think the switch happened without any discussion with the lawyer. I can go ahead and think otherwise.

So many people who have no idea what they are talking about yet are so certain they know.

First of all, he was never going to talk to the police. Thats why he asked for a lawyer. Otherwise he would have shown up at the station and said "I want to talk." The man has a long history with the criminal justice system, he knows better.

Second, you and everyone else have no idea why he ran. Perhaps it was something external -- something the police said, or something a family member said or something he heard. Or maybe it was something internal -- panic (very likely in my book), or walking into the station brought back bad memories. Who knows? The one thing I know with absolute certainty as a former public defender was that nothing of any importance happened with the lawyer, if he even spoke with him. The is what the lawyer would say: Do not speak to anyone about anything under any circumstances. I will get information from the prosecutor and you and I will meet and talk.

And none of this would have been a surprise because he's been in the system many times. He knows that at the initial meeting the lawyer says don't talk to anyone, you and I will speak later.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't understand why this thread hasn't been moved to Off Topics. It ceased being about UVA a long time ago, and is now about amateur sleuthing and amateur lawyers.

good point

+1.

Who cares?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't understand why this thread hasn't been moved to Off Topics. It ceased being about UVA a long time ago, and is now about amateur sleuthing and amateur lawyers.

good point

+1.

Who cares?

It's not a college topic. It never was.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't understand why this thread hasn't been moved to Off Topics. It ceased being about UVA a long time ago, and is now about amateur sleuthing and amateur lawyers.

good point

+1.

Who cares?

It's not a college topic. It never was.

Don't most people just look at the "Recent Topics" board anyway?

[Anonymous]

Cool. Something else important to argue about on DCUM. Maybe somebody should report on those of us who are chatting in the wrong forum!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Cool. Something else important to argue about on DCUM. Maybe somebody should report on those of us who are chatting in the wrong forum!

Oh, please. It's just you and one other person who have created over 70 pages.

Nobody gives a crap if you want to chat ad nauseam about this. Anybody is entitled to question why this topic is here in a college discussion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Cool. Something else important to argue about on DCUM. Maybe somebody should report on those of us who are chatting in the wrong forum!

Oh, please. It's just you and one other person who have created over 70 pages.

Nobody gives a crap if you want to chat ad nauseam about this. Anybody is entitled to question why this topic is here in a college discussion.

Who cares? Let's just continue the discussion snd hope due us found. Don't read the thread if it's categorization bothers you do much. Get a life.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Cool. Something else important to argue about on DCUM. Maybe somebody should report on those of us who are chatting in the wrong forum!

Oh, please. It's just you and one other person who have created over 70 pages.

Nobody gives a crap if you want to chat ad nauseam about this. Anybody is entitled to question why this topic is here in a college discussion.

Who cares? Let's just continue the discussion snd hope due us found. Don't read the thread if it's categorization bothers you do much. Get a life.

Seriously? 75 pages of speculation all day and night? Maybe it's YOU who should get a life.

Carry on with your discussion. Good if it feels that void in your life.

[Anonymous]

Jesse M friend called him a prowler and said his MO was to go after women that were drunk. He had been bothering women all night before he met Hannah.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

As far as I know, although counsel has been retained there is no indication as to whether he has had any substantive discussion with the defendant.

He shows up and asks to speak to a lawyer before speaking to the police. Something happened between him and the lawyer that made him decide not only to not talk to the police but to leave town at high speed.

You can go ahead and think the switch happened without any discussion with the lawyer. I can go ahead and think otherwise.

So many people who have no idea what they are talking about yet are so certain they know.

First of all, he was never going to talk to the police. Thats why he asked for a lawyer. Otherwise he would have shown up at the station and said "I want to talk." The man has a long history with the criminal justice system, he knows better.

Second, you and everyone else have no idea why he ran. Perhaps it was something external -- something the police said, or something a family member said or something he heard. Or maybe it was something internal -- panic (very likely in my book), or walking into the station brought back bad memories. Who knows? The one thing I know with absolute certainty as a former public defender was that nothing of any importance happened with the lawyer, if he even spoke with him. The is what the lawyer would say: Do not speak to anyone about anything under any circumstances. I will get information from the prosecutor and you and I will meet and talk.

And none of this would have been a surprise because he's been in the system many times. He knows that at the initial meeting the lawyer says don't talk to anyone, you and I will speak later.

He ran because he is guilty.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Cool. Something else important to argue about on DCUM. Maybe somebody should report on those of us who are chatting in the wrong forum!

Oh, please. It's just you and one other person who have created over 70 pages.

Nobody gives a crap if you want to chat ad nauseam about this. Anybody is entitled to question why this topic is here in a college discussion.

Who cares? Let's just continue the discussion snd hope due us found. Don't read the thread if it's categorization bothers you do much. Get a life.

Seriously? 75 pages of speculation all day and night? Maybe it's YOU who should get a life.

Carry on with your discussion. Good if it feels that void in your life.

Yes, I posted all 75 pages of responses.

I just don't get why anyone would care where it is posted. It is an interesting and timely discussion about a horrible situation. Skip the thread if you don't want to read it on your precious college board.