UVA student missing

[Anonymous]

Is there any videotape of them being together after they left the bar either individually or together?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ok so I'm a corporate lawyer so only know a little about criminal law from school. If JM's lawyer knows where he is, doesn't his lawyer have to tell police? The crime fraud exception to the attorney client privilege?

The lawyer probably doesn't know where he is. JM's "family" retained him. The family is likely relaying info. to JM and JM is probably not telling the lawyer where he is. Family, however, could get in trouble for assisting a fugitive if they are helping him.

As for those suggesting that JM texted on HG's phone --- maybe I'm not understanding you, but everything I've read says that she texted her friends that she was lost BEFORE she was seen with JM at the bar. So, I think you may be going down a rabbit hole with your theory that he was with her when she texted her friends.

Yes, the more recent articles suggest the text was sent earlier, in the 12 to 1 period.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
What a coincidence -- I'm a lawyer too. And I agree that eyewitness testimony can be unreliable. But now we have surveillance video, cell phone records that include location and DNA evidence-- the odds of wrongful conviction are much lower than they were 20 years ago.

But that actually wasn't what I meant by "alternate reality," the chances are her being "alive and healthy" are ridiculously low 10 days in.

Still don't understand the outpouring of sympathy for a man, under best case scenario, is depriving the police of information which might lead to them locating another suspect(if he really did leave her somewhere) or the girl (if she left him and died accidentally--unlikely given the searches conducted thus far.

What do we actually know to this point? JM was seen with HG - they went and had a drink/s, he had his arm around her at some point, they apparently left together after the drink.

Do we know for a fact that she went with him in his car? Do we know if he molested her? Did they have sex? None of these things are known. Even the charges refer to an INTENT to defile - not that he actually did anything to her.

So we are left with why he wanted legal representation and refused to talk to the police. May be it is because he is guilty. But just as likely that given he is black and was with her just before she disappeared and that she is white, he is fearful of what the police may pin on him. Do I blame him given the history of how the justice system treats blacks in this country? Absolutely not - he would be foolhardy to talk to the police without an attorney. I would say this even if he were white.

The police have already used the reckless driving charge as a pretext to detain him. Now we have a charge of abduction and INTENT to defile - again, IMO, it is to turn the screws on him.


What we know and what the police have evidence of are two very different things. Very hard to turn the screws on someone who is not in police custody.
And some here actually blame him for being wary of the police and the justice system treating him fairly??

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know if there is a timeline published somewhere? As PP noted, it sounds like she was with him at the bar, and later sent the "I am lost" text? So, she was no longer with him?

I thought she was with him after the text was sent. But not sure

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:All of you playing race just STOP. He is being looked for because he was the last person seen with her and she is missing. And he fled. And then something else emerged which led them to issue a warrant for him - which they did not do immediately. He is under scrutiny because of his actions, NOT BECAUSE HE IS BLACK!

I would agree with you if you are also as outraged about the folks hi-jacking the thread saying this is why they did not send their kids to UVA. Don't pick and choose.

This might be an advantageous year to apply to UVa.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Agree it is weird that she texted she was lost after she was seen w him. Why would she text that if they were together?

And, don't forget, there were two reported sexual assaults IN THE SAME AREA as 14th and Wertland just a few days after Hannah went missing! 14th and Wertland is the location that she says she in her last text.

where did you hear that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is there any videotape of them being together after they left the bar either individually or together?

I think the police have video of them leaving together in his car but haven't released that to the media. Probably wanted to ask him if she left with him to see if he would lie about it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All of you playing race just STOP. He is being looked for because he was the last person seen with her and she is missing. And he fled. And then something else emerged which led them to issue a warrant for him - which they did not do immediately. He is under scrutiny because of his actions, NOT BECAUSE HE IS BLACK!

I would agree with you if you are also as outraged about the folks hi-jacking the thread saying this is why they did not send their kids to UVA. Don't pick and choose.

This might be an advantageous year to apply to UVa.

Hello, troll...that's right, high school's out at this time of day. Please, how incredibly immature and insensitive!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Agree it is weird that she texted she was lost after she was seen w him. Why would she text that if they were together?

And, don't forget, there were two reported sexual assaults IN THE SAME AREA as 14th and Wertland just a few days after Hannah went missing! 14th and Wertland is the location that she says she in her last text.

where did you hear that?

http://wtvr.com/2014/09/19/two-charlottesville-sexual-assaults-reported-same-weekend-hannah-graham-disappeared/?shared=email&msg=fail

[Anonymous]

Almost at 60 pages and no sign of Hannah yet

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Almost at 60 pages and no sign of Hannah yet

This. Where is she?! The chief asked property owners to walk their land to look for unusual things like tire tracks. So scary. Morgan Harrington was found on a farm several months after she disappeared.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am confused by something. How can anyone be lost in this day and age when holding a smartphone with gps and maps built in?

Because....drunk

This poor girl looked more than drugged than drunk to me. I move like a snail when I'm drunk, she was moving with intention!

Her drinks must of been spiked.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is there any videotape of them being together after they left the bar either individually or together?

I think the police have video of them leaving together in his car but haven't released that to the media. Probably wanted to ask him if she left with him to see if he would lie about it.

And your source for this information?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Almost at 60 pages and no sign of Hannah yet

This. Where is she?! The chief asked property owners to walk their land to look for unusual things like tire tracks. So scary. Morgan Harrington was found on a farm several months after she disappeared.

This girl was found over the weekend after several months.


Lauren Abdel-Razzaq, The Detroit News 4 p.m. EDT September 20, 2014

A forensic dentist confirmed Saturday that remains found in a concrete-capped barrel in a Plymouth storage lot belong to Theresa DeKeyzer.

The 22-year-old Warren woman missing since June 16 and who was last seen with her boyfriend Scott Wobbe, who is now the primary suspect in the case.

“The forensic dentist completed review of dental records earlier today, confirming a match between the body found of the missing woman and the remains found,” said Mary Mazur, spokeswoman for the Wayne County Medical Examiner’s Office.

An autopsy is pending...

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/new...yzer/15965419/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think what is going on is he was with her, knows what happened to her or who she went with, but is afraid to give too much information because as a black man who is a POI in a case with a missing white girl, chances are good it will all get pinned on him. Black men have a mistrust of police. He's absolutely hindering the case, but I think he's terrified to come to them and say what he knows, who she went with, what that person did with her or where they took her because he's afraid it's all going to fall on him.

I don't have sympathy for the guy. I just find it hard to believe he personally killed her. He doesn't fit the profile for this type of crime. I think he definitely knows much more than he's telling the police and possibly is involved in whatever DID happen to her in a tangential way (handing her off, taking her somewhere questionable, etc.) but killed her- I'm not buying it yet.

The outpouring of sympathy for this guy is amazing. If he knows what happened ; ie she's dead. Speak up mofo