UVA student missing

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Anonymous wrote:Am I missing something? Where are you guys getting any info that JM had anything to do with drugs, let alone selling them to Hannah or someone else?

Pp, were you not aware that all black men are drug dealers?

I am not aware that all black men are drug dealers. However, I am aware that there are a lot of paranoid idiots out there. If JM is cleared in this case, I hope he subpoenas and sues all you idiots for slander.

Good lord people, some of you are like some phony infomercial detective straight from a Simpson's episode.

Remember Richard Jewel and the Atlanta Olympic bombings? He was there but then became a suspect. Eventually cleared.

If this guy has nothing to hide, why did he flee Charlottesville at high speed?

Because when you are black and a white girl is missing and the police know you were one of the last people to see her, you can see the writing on the wall?

I'm not saying he is innocent, but certainly in this country many innocent black men have been blamed for crimes against white women they had nothing to do with.

I don't really understand why, if he were guilty, he would have hung around for so long after and even voluntarily shown up at the police station.

The police chief does seem very emotionally involved and lacking emotional detachment in a way that does not always go hand in hand with careful and methodical police work.

Even with all of this said, to me the most likely explanation is that the suspect with the dreds was involved somehow just because he was the last one to see her and he DID flee. I hope this story takes a weird turn and she is found alive and healthy, maybe just in a like fugue state or disoriented.

Do you always live in an alternate reality? They wouldn't charge them unless they had evidence she was in the car with him.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Are you serious? Have you never heard of police manufacturing evidence against people, particularly black people, in high profile cases? Or witnesses misidentifying people, particularly black people? Like, NONE of the guys who went to jail for the Central Park jogger rape 20 odd years ago were actually the slightest bit guilty? NONE. Which one of us is living in an alternate reality again? Wake up!

(Fwiw, I am a white woman and a lawyer.)

Read the article in the Post today. The Charlottesville police chief is highly respected, considered very fair. A chief's chief.

Considered very fair by whom? Did you read this part of the article:

"Longo’s Charlottesville tenure includes outcry in 2004 during a hunt for a serial rapist described as African American. Longo’s force approached about 200 black men, asking them to voluntarily provide DNA samples. The chief eventually stopped the genetic sweep.

That memory lingers with M. Rick Turner, president of the NAACP in Charlottesville who said he has a cordial relationship with Longo but heard echoes of the DNA experience in the publicizing of Matthew’s name and photo before Tuesday night’s charges."

Can anyone imagine a police force stopping, say, blond haired white men and asking them for DNA samples because their description fit the profile of a suspected criminal? (And believe it or not, yes there are blond, white criminals.)

Yep. They're sometimes called lax bros.

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Anonymous wrote:All of you playing race just STOP. He is being looked for because he was the last person seen with her and she is missing. And he fled. And then something else emerged which led them to issue a warrant for him - which they did not do immediately. He is under scrutiny because of his actions, NOT BECAUSE HE IS BLACK!

No one, NO ONE, is saying that this is happening to him because he is black, rather his actions to me and many others could be the actions of a guilty man or an innocent man who fears the justice system. If it were my son and I knew he was innocent, I'd still be scared shitless for him. Black men do not get a fair shake in this country's justice system. Do you deny that fact? Can you not understand that maybe he is uncooperative because he fears cooperating will not work in his favor even if there's nothing to hide? People are coerced into false confessions more than you'd believe. He is already being assumed guilty. Being a black male and the last person to have seen a missing white girl, in a case where the police are under huge pressure and the public is screaming for answers is a dangerous and scary situation. I don't know if he's innocent or guilty, but I sincerely doubt his chances of a fair trial.

Stop. Please just stop. Start another thread about how the system does not work for black men. This is not the one. You have NO knowledge whatsoever about what evidence they have against this man.

I responded to another poster on this thread. It isn't as though I introduced the topic. Interesting though that you try to shut it down when I respond and you don't like what I have to say.

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Let's not jump to conclusions. Wait for the evidence If it's lacking they should publicly exonerate him. If he's guilty, they should publicly execute him.

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Anonymous wrote:From an abc news article about the case (http://abcnews.go.com/US/hannah-graham-searchers-returns-jesse-matthews-apartment/story?id=25677711):

"According to public records, Matthew was involved in 22 incidents between 1999 and 2007, the majority of which were related to some kind of traffic violations ranging from failure to wear a seatbelt to failure to yield or obey stop signs."

TWENTY TWO traffic stops and the most serious thing Matthew has been charged with is running a stop sign? Seriously? Sounds like Matthew has definitely been the victim of "driving while black" in the past, and this may have given him some reason to be cautious of police in this case.

+1 million. It has been said before. Cops make white people feel safe, they make black men uneasy and fearful regardless of guilt.

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Anonymous wrote:From an abc news article about the case (http://abcnews.go.com/US/hannah-graham-searchers-returns-jesse-matthews-apartment/story?id=25677711):

"According to public records, Matthew was involved in 22 incidents between 1999 and 2007, the majority of which were related to some kind of traffic violations ranging from failure to wear a seatbelt to failure to yield or obey stop signs."

TWENTY TWO traffic stops and the most serious thing Matthew has been charged with is running a stop sign? Seriously? Sounds like Matthew has definitely been the victim of "driving while black" in the past, and this may have given him some reason to be cautious of police in this case.

+1 million. It has been said before. Cops make white people feel safe, they make black men uneasy and fearful regardless of guilt.

Read the article again. It said that he was involved in 22 "incidents" the majority of which were related to traffic incidents. I read on another news site that he was charged with assault and theft but the charges were later dropped.

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Anonymous wrote:From an abc news article about the case (http://abcnews.go.com/US/hannah-graham-searchers-returns-jesse-matthews-apartment/story?id=25677711):

"According to public records, Matthew was involved in 22 incidents between 1999 and 2007, the majority of which were related to some kind of traffic violations ranging from failure to wear a seatbelt to failure to yield or obey stop signs."

TWENTY TWO traffic stops and the most serious thing Matthew has been charged with is running a stop sign? Seriously? Sounds like Matthew has definitely been the victim of "driving while black" in the past, and this may have given him some reason to be cautious of police in this case.

+1 million. It has been said before. Cops make white people feel safe, they make black men uneasy and fearful regardless of guilt.

Read the article again. It said that he was involved in 22 "incidents" the majority of which were related to traffic incidents. I read on another news site that he was charged with assault and theft but the charges were later dropped.

what's your point

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Anonymous wrote:All of you playing race just STOP. He is being looked for because he was the last person seen with her and she is missing. And he fled. And then something else emerged which led them to issue a warrant for him - which they did not do immediately. He is under scrutiny because of his actions, NOT BECAUSE HE IS BLACK!

No one, NO ONE, is saying that this is happening to him because he is black, rather his actions to me and many others could be the actions of a guilty man or an innocent man who fears the justice system. If it were my son and I knew he was innocent, I'd still be scared shitless for him. Black men do not get a fair shake in this country's justice system. Do you deny that fact? Can you not understand that maybe he is uncooperative because he fears cooperating will not work in his favor even if there's nothing to hide? People are coerced into false confessions more than you'd believe. He is already being assumed guilty. Being a black male and the last person to have seen a missing white girl, in a case where the police are under huge pressure and the public is screaming for answers is a dangerous and scary situation. I don't know if he's innocent or guilty, but I sincerely doubt his chances of a fair trial.

Of course black men don't always get a fair shake. But you're missing the point. This guy is getting treated as anyone would who has acted the way he has (being publicly seen with her, not coming forward, then running). He is acting guilty, regardless of whether he is. I'd say the exact same thing if he were white. And does everyone remember the sketchy white guy who was initially thought to be following her on the videos? He was trashed publicly before he came forward.

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Anonymous wrote:All of you playing race just STOP. He is being looked for because he was the last person seen with her and she is missing. And he fled. And then something else emerged which led them to issue a warrant for him - which they did not do immediately. He is under scrutiny because of his actions, NOT BECAUSE HE IS BLACK!

No one, NO ONE, is saying that this is happening to him because he is black, rather his actions to me and many others could be the actions of a guilty man or an innocent man who fears the justice system. If it were my son and I knew he was innocent, I'd still be scared shitless for him. Black men do not get a fair shake in this country's justice system. Do you deny that fact? Can you not understand that maybe he is uncooperative because he fears cooperating will not work in his favor even if there's nothing to hide? People are coerced into false confessions more than you'd believe. He is already being assumed guilty. Being a black male and the last person to have seen a missing white girl, in a case where the police are under huge pressure and the public is screaming for answers is a dangerous and scary situation. I don't know if he's innocent or guilty, but I sincerely doubt his chances of a fair trial.

Of course black men don't always get a fair shake. But you're missing the point. This guy is getting treated as anyone would who has acted the way he has (being publicly seen with her, not coming forward, then running). He is acting guilty, regardless of whether he is. I'd say the exact same thing if he were white. And does everyone remember the sketchy white guy who was initially thought to be following her on the videos? He was trashed publicly before he came forward.

And there are still many people who think he is somehow involved.

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Anonymous wrote:All of you playing race just STOP. He is being looked for because he was the last person seen with her and she is missing. And he fled. And then something else emerged which led them to issue a warrant for him - which they did not do immediately. He is under scrutiny because of his actions, NOT BECAUSE HE IS BLACK!

No one, NO ONE, is saying that this is happening to him because he is black, rather his actions to me and many others could be the actions of a guilty man or an innocent man who fears the justice system. If it were my son and I knew he was innocent, I'd still be scared shitless for him. Black men do not get a fair shake in this country's justice system. Do you deny that fact? Can you not understand that maybe he is uncooperative because he fears cooperating will not work in his favor even if there's nothing to hide? People are coerced into false confessions more than you'd believe. He is already being assumed guilty. Being a black male and the last person to have seen a missing white girl, in a case where the police are under huge pressure and the public is screaming for answers is a dangerous and scary situation. I don't know if he's innocent or guilty, but I sincerely doubt his chances of a fair trial.

Of course black men don't always get a fair shake. But you're missing the point. This guy is getting treated as anyone would who has acted the way he has (being publicly seen with her, not coming forward, then running). He is acting guilty, regardless of whether he is. I'd say the exact same thing if he were white. And does everyone remember the sketchy white guy who was initially thought to be following her on the videos? He was trashed publicly before he came forward.

I am once again not saying that he is being treated a certain way because of his color. I'm saying that his actions do not necessarily mean guilty. If he knows what most of us know about our justice system, he very well may have run because he is scared. Guilty or innocent, he is scared for good reason. Guilty white guy in shoes may have done the same thing. Innocent white guy in his shoes would have a much easier time coming forward and knowing that the deck isn't stacked against him.

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Anonymous wrote:All of you playing race just STOP. He is being looked for because he was the last person seen with her and she is missing. And he fled. And then something else emerged which led them to issue a warrant for him - which they did not do immediately. He is under scrutiny because of his actions, NOT BECAUSE HE IS BLACK!

No one, NO ONE, is saying that this is happening to him because he is black, rather his actions to me and many others could be the actions of a guilty man or an innocent man who fears the justice system. If it were my son and I knew he was innocent, I'd still be scared shitless for him. Black men do not get a fair shake in this country's justice system. Do you deny that fact? Can you not understand that maybe he is uncooperative because he fears cooperating will not work in his favor even if there's nothing to hide? People are coerced into false confessions more than you'd believe. He is already being assumed guilty. Being a black male and the last person to have seen a missing white girl, in a case where the police are under huge pressure and the public is screaming for answers is a dangerous and scary situation. I don't know if he's innocent or guilty, but I sincerely doubt his chances of a fair trial.

Of course black men don't always get a fair shake. But you're missing the point. This guy is getting treated as anyone would who has acted the way he has (being publicly seen with her, not coming forward, then running). He is acting guilty, regardless of whether he is. I'd say the exact same thing if he were white. And does everyone remember the sketchy white guy who was initially thought to be following her on the videos? He was trashed publicly before he came forward.

I am once again not saying that he is being treated a certain way because of his color. I'm saying that his actions do not necessarily mean guilty. If he knows what most of us know about our justice system, he very well may have run because he is scared. Guilty or innocent, he is scared for good reason. Guilty white guy in shoes may have done the same thing. Innocent white guy in his shoes would have a much easier time coming forward and knowing that the deck isn't stacked against him.

So you're making excuses for him running? You're just fueling stereotypes. Black guys can be stand up too - like going to the police station and telling them what he knew. Instead he ran.

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Anonymous wrote:All of you playing race just STOP. He is being looked for because he was the last person seen with her and she is missing. And he fled. And then something else emerged which led them to issue a warrant for him - which they did not do immediately. He is under scrutiny because of his actions, NOT BECAUSE HE IS BLACK!

I would agree with you if you are also as outraged about the folks hi-jacking the thread saying this is why they did not send their kids to UVA. Don't pick and choose.

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Anonymous wrote:All of you playing race just STOP. He is being looked for because he was the last person seen with her and she is missing. And he fled. And then something else emerged which led them to issue a warrant for him - which they did not do immediately. He is under scrutiny because of his actions, NOT BECAUSE HE IS BLACK!

No one, NO ONE, is saying that this is happening to him because he is black, rather his actions to me and many others could be the actions of a guilty man or an innocent man who fears the justice system. If it were my son and I knew he was innocent, I'd still be scared shitless for him. Black men do not get a fair shake in this country's justice system. Do you deny that fact? Can you not understand that maybe he is uncooperative because he fears cooperating will not work in his favor even if there's nothing to hide? People are coerced into false confessions more than you'd believe. He is already being assumed guilty. Being a black male and the last person to have seen a missing white girl, in a case where the police are under huge pressure and the public is screaming for answers is a dangerous and scary situation. I don't know if he's innocent or guilty, but I sincerely doubt his chances of a fair trial.

Of course black men don't always get a fair shake. But you're missing the point. This guy is getting treated as anyone would who has acted the way he has (being publicly seen with her, not coming forward, then running). He is acting guilty, regardless of whether he is. I'd say the exact same thing if he were white. And does everyone remember the sketchy white guy who was initially thought to be following her on the videos? He was trashed publicly before he came forward.

I am once again not saying that he is being treated a certain way because of his color. I'm saying that his actions do not necessarily mean guilty. If he knows what most of us know about our justice system, he very well may have run because he is scared. Guilty or innocent, he is scared for good reason. Guilty white guy in shoes may have done the same thing. Innocent white guy in his shoes would have a much easier time coming forward and knowing that the deck isn't stacked against him.

So you're making excuses for him running? You're just fueling stereotypes. Black guys can be stand up too - like going to the police station and telling them what he knew. Instead he ran.

This is why we will never get anywhere in this country. You all refuse to open your eyes and see what makes you uncomfortable. If you want black men to feel comfortable following the rule of society and the justice system, try not treating them like de facto criminals from birth.

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Anonymous wrote:All of you playing race just STOP. He is being looked for because he was the last person seen with her and she is missing. And he fled. And then something else emerged which led them to issue a warrant for him - which they did not do immediately. He is under scrutiny because of his actions, NOT BECAUSE HE IS BLACK!

No one, NO ONE, is saying that this is happening to him because he is black, rather his actions to me and many others could be the actions of a guilty man or an innocent man who fears the justice system. If it were my son and I knew he was innocent, I'd still be scared shitless for him. Black men do not get a fair shake in this country's justice system. Do you deny that fact? Can you not understand that maybe he is uncooperative because he fears cooperating will not work in his favor even if there's nothing to hide? People are coerced into false confessions more than you'd believe. He is already being assumed guilty. Being a black male and the last person to have seen a missing white girl, in a case where the police are under huge pressure and the public is screaming for answers is a dangerous and scary situation. I don't know if he's innocent or guilty, but I sincerely doubt his chances of a fair trial.

Stop. Please just stop. Start another thread about how the system does not work for black men. This is not the one. You have NO knowledge whatsoever about what evidence they have against this man.

Another PP here. Nope. The PP's statement is VALID rebuttal to those in this thread who think he fled because he is guilty. She is giving you another perspective. The problem is that many of you cannot grasp it becuase it is so foreign to your reality

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Anonymous wrote:All of you playing race just STOP. He is being looked for because he was the last person seen with her and she is missing. And he fled. And then something else emerged which led them to issue a warrant for him - which they did not do immediately. He is under scrutiny because of his actions, NOT BECAUSE HE IS BLACK!

No one, NO ONE, is saying that this is happening to him because he is black, rather his actions to me and many others could be the actions of a guilty man or an innocent man who fears the justice system. If it were my son and I knew he was innocent, I'd still be scared shitless for him. Black men do not get a fair shake in this country's justice system. Do you deny that fact? Can you not understand that maybe he is uncooperative because he fears cooperating will not work in his favor even if there's nothing to hide? People are coerced into false confessions more than you'd believe. He is already being assumed guilty. Being a black male and the last person to have seen a missing white girl, in a case where the police are under huge pressure and the public is screaming for answers is a dangerous and scary situation. I don't know if he's innocent or guilty, but I sincerely doubt his chances of a fair trial.

Of course black men don't always get a fair shake. But you're missing the point. This guy is getting treated as anyone would who has acted the way he has (being publicly seen with her, not coming forward, then running). He is acting guilty, regardless of whether he is. I'd say the exact same thing if he were white. And does everyone remember the sketchy white guy who was initially thought to be following her on the videos? He was trashed publicly before he came forward.

I am once again not saying that he is being treated a certain way because of his color. I'm saying that his actions do not necessarily mean guilty. If he knows what most of us know about our justice system, he very well may have run because he is scared. Guilty or innocent, he is scared for good reason. Guilty white guy in shoes may have done the same thing. Innocent white guy in his shoes would have a much easier time coming forward and knowing that the deck isn't stacked against him.

So you're making excuses for him running? You're just fueling stereotypes. Black guys can be stand up too - like going to the police station and telling them what he knew. Instead he ran.

This is why we will never get anywhere in this country. You all refuse to open your eyes and see what makes you uncomfortable. If you want black men to feel comfortable following the rule of society and the justice system, try not treating them like de facto criminals from birth.

What should Matthew have done? Aside from changing all of society's rules? Why can't you acknowledge that he is probably acting this way bc he is guilty, not bc he is black? YOU ARE THE ONE STEREOTYPING.

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Anonymous wrote:All of you playing race just STOP. He is being looked for because he was the last person seen with her and she is missing. And he fled. And then something else emerged which led them to issue a warrant for him - which they did not do immediately. He is under scrutiny because of his actions, NOT BECAUSE HE IS BLACK!

I would agree with you if you are also as outraged about the folks hi-jacking the thread saying this is why they did not send their kids to UVA. Don't pick and choose.

That pisses me off too.